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Chin Diesel said:
Dilemma is expectations from what Dan Hurley was saying preseason and at Atlantis that UConn needs Hawkins because of Hawkins' scoring. And then you have that juxtaposed against what we see on the floor from Hawkins and how Hurley is utilizing Hawkins. Hurley is playing him like a spot role player not like someone the coach identified as a crucial scorer.
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Isn't this a chicken/egg thing? Are you saying his recent poor shooting on the coach for the way he's being used? Or is it, make some shots and then you'll get more run?
 
NutmegDog said:
We just saw a vaunted freshman have a coming out game on the women's side (Ducharme). Maybe the same can happen with Hawkins. Jury's still out.
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I keep saying he is work in progress. We all want Hawk to improve and be there by March to provide as someone said some minutes for our starters to rest. Hopefully productive minutes.
 
Waquoit said:
Isn't this a chicken/egg thing? Are you saying his recent poor shooting on the coach for the way he's being used? Or is it, make some shots and then you'll get more run?
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It's more an expectations thing. Hurley has made it clear he doesn't think Diggins is ready and Diggins' minutes reflect that.

On more than one occasion Hurley has stated how crucial Hawkins' offense is for the Huskies to be real good this year. Hawkins' minutes and use don't reflect that.

That being said (fancy weasel way of saying 'but'), a coach has to assess real game conditions and adjust accordingly. From what we have seen over the past several games, Hurley no longer considers Hawkins' offense to be crucial or else he'd be playing Hawkins like he plays Polley.

All that being said, i don't know what any of it means other than us fans shouldn't expect Hawkins to be a consistent contributor this season. He will probably have a few games where he shows what he can be in the future, but he's not one of those players who is always going to contribute when he's only getting 10 mpg.

Even last night when he had his fast break layup blocked you could see him going to the bench with his head down and shoulders slumped. Kid is trying to learn how to be a role player at a much highler level of basketball and isn't close yet to figuring it out.
 
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Play Hawkins, if he hits shots leave him in. If not, sit him the rest of the game and put Polley in. If he hits shots, leave him in. If not, sit him the rest of the game. Don’t ever sub both in together.
 
Just use your eyes

The kid is going to be great and just needs a shot of confidence. And a booster. Yes, I do believe he will have games that he will make an impact this season. He has the skills. When you go back ... think Albert Mouring, Rashad Anderson, Tony. Hawkins has better presence than any early on. But he - like most - needs to hit a few to gain confidence. Like kids today, he probably thought he was NBA within the year or 2. Like Bouknight. It probably won't happen and that's ok.
 
Wasn't Albert Mouring the guy who would step of bounds all the time when take a 3?
 
He will be good…and not just in the future, but this season. There is very little to worry about with Hawkins
 
There are guys playing in the NBA that went to UConn and had their own freshman year adjustments to the CBB game as Hawkins is now.. He will be fine with reps and as he matures with on-court successes.

BTW. With Martin back and performing well and the emergence of AJ as a solid contributor-- PT for Hawk -at least in the short term-will probably be dictated by his productivity/efficiency when on the floor.In other words-we are back at full strength. With the right match ups and his confidence restored-- He'll win some games for us going down the stretch.
 
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Hawkins will be 20 years old this spring. He's playing like a freshman, but he's also too old to be playing like a freshman. So in a sense, it's a good thing because there's little chance of him leaving next year.
 
My take on Hawkins is defensive play and body strength are a problem when Hurley is trying to shut down an opponent's offense. So naturally if he's not making shots he gets pulled. He has to get tougher stronger and be aggressive with the ball. Passing it around the perimeter doesn't get it. He has to drive and create his shot. We need him to give us something this year kinda like " the microwave" of old.
 
My knock really isn’t on Hawkins, it’s on all you guys that were so ready to anoint him the next great thing at UConn. He deserves more minutes, Hurley can’t coach, blah blah blah jargon that you all use is getting old. The kid has put up 0 points in 3 of the last four. Will he be a good player for us down the road, that has yet to be seen, but at this point in time everyone needs to chill their expectations and let the season play out. If I posted this after a loss you would all agree with me but considering I posted it after a win you all think it’s stupid. It’s the total bipolarness of this board and it’s quite entertaining!
 
Rumrunner said:
Hawkins will be 20 years old this spring. He's playing like a freshman, but he's also too old to be playing like a freshman. So in a sense, it's a good thing because there's little chance of him leaving next year.
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Why does his age matter? High school coaching is often times awful compared to college coaching the same way college coaching is pretty bad compared to NBA coaching. He was in high school therefore he is going to play like a high schooler.
 
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polycom said:
Why does his age matter? High school coaching is often times awful compared to college coaching the same way college coaching is pretty bad compared to NBA coaching. He was in high school therefore he is going to play like a high schooler.
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Because if you're an American aged 21, and still in college, the chances of you getting drafted by the NBA has dropped, to where you start realizing that you aren't going to be drafted. Some here knock Bouk for not returning. In the meantime, he just turned 21 this past fall, and even then he was old by NBA draft standards.
 
Rumrunner said:
Because if you're an American aged 21, and still in college, the chances of you getting drafted by the NBA has dropped, to where you start realizing that you aren't going to be drafted. Some here knock Bouk for not returning. In the meantime, he just turned 21 this past fall, and even then he was old by NBA draft standards.
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What does that have to do with him playing like a freshman? He is in college right now of course he is going to play like a freshman regardless of his age. If he takes a huge leap next year he could easily get drafted.
 
Mike1984 said:
If I posted this after a loss you would all agree with me but considering I posted it after a win you all think it’s stupid.
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No, it would have been stupid then, too. You're presumably a grown man, blaming a freshman basketball player and now a message board for the sadz because you raised your expectations and they haven't bet met immediately.

He's a heralded freshman whose start to the season was delayed by his ankle injury.

People gushed over his potential and longed for more minutes based on what we observed, culminating in the Auburn game. He has stumbled a bit since then, which was unfortunate timing because Tyrese's injury made him a starter and he didn't do enough to keep himself on the court.

We've said and seen it here dozens of times over the years: progress is not linear. If you have kids of your own you might have observed a similar phenomenon; or you may even remember being one yourself. Or maybe you still are, like me.

No one anointed him anything other than talented. I keep asking people where this false narrative started that he would possibly leave for the draft after this season; no one has answered yet, but it hasn't stopped people from repeating that canard in an effort to make him sound like a failure.

Surely there are more constructive ways to spend your time at 2:45 a.m.?
 
8893 said:
No, it would have been stupid then, too. You're presumably a grown man, blaming a freshman basketball player and now a message board for the sadz because you raised your expectations and they haven't bet met immediately.

He's a heralded freshman whose start to the season was delayed by his ankle injury.

People gushed over his potential and longed for more minutes based on what we observed, culminating in the Auburn game. He has stumbled a bit since then, which was unfortunate timing because Tyrese's injury made him a starter and he didn't do enough to keep himself on the court.

We've said and seen it here dozens of times over the years: progress is not linear. If you have kids of your own you might have observed a similar phenomenon; or you may even remember being one yourself. Or maybe you still are, like me.

No one anointed him anything other than talented. I keep asking people where this false narrative started that he would possibly leave for the draft after this season; no one has answered yet, but it hasn't stopped people from repeating that canard in an effort to make him sound like a failure.

Surely there are more constructive ways to spend your time at 2:45 a.m.?
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looks like you've come back from ur pc post game freakouts. don't be a dweeb, the posts putting jordan in the league next week were a thing, seemingly just yesterday. cf, polley, and others, ie 'where do they go in the draft'? musings. answer? to the comfiest chair in the room, to watch it like the rest of us who aren't getting drafted.
jordan is new, gets a pass for now, but so far, not much to show. he has stroke, hops, and energy. he also doesn't have, thus far, handle for a 2 or a bigs presence for a 3. here's to hoping.
 
8893 said:
No, it would have been stupid then, too. You're presumably a grown man, blaming a freshman basketball player and now a message board for the sadz because you raised your expectations and they haven't bet met immediately.

No one anointed him anything other than talented. I keep asking people where this false narrative started that he would possibly leave for the draft after this season; no one has answered yet, but it hasn't stopped people from repeating that canard in an effort to make him sound like a failure.
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On your first topic. I have no expectations for the kid and I didn’t blame him for anything. He has skill and you can tell he’s talented just by watching him. I don’t get mad when he plays bad. He will gain confidence and eventually be that guy.
Second topic, if you read this board which I know you frequently do, there has been much talk comparing him to UConn greats. He hasn’t proved anything yet. There has also been much talk that Hurley can’t coach, Hawkins needs more minutes blah blah blah. My thread was more of a knock towards the people who think they know everything when it comes to UConn basketball. It was more satire than anything else.

Lastly, no at 2:45am I do not have anything better to do. I work nights that should explain that.
 
Mike1984 said:
3-22 in the last 4 games. Should he still be getting more minutes? I mean he’s very productive while on the floor! Do we leave him out there for longer? Maybe we can build a new arena with all the bricks he’s throwing up. Sorry guys I forgot, he’s the second coming of Ray Allen and deserves high praise for the way he glides down the floor.
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Every minute this kid gets now will pay dividends in 2022-23. Kid will be special but he's not ready.
 
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Mike1984 said:
On your first topic. I have no expectations for the kid and I didn’t blame him for anything. He has skill and you can tell he’s talented just by watching him. I don’t get mad when he plays bad. He will gain confidence and eventually be that guy.
Second topic, if you read this board which I know you frequently do, there has been much talk comparing him to UConn greats. He hasn’t proved anything yet. There has also been much talk that Hurley can’t coach, Hawkins needs more minutes blah blah blah. My thread was more of a knock towards the people who think they know everything when it comes to UConn basketball. It was more satire than anything else.

Lastly, no at 2:45am I do not have anything better to do. I work nights that should explain that.
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Well I'm glad to see you haven't given up on him.

As to comparisons, what I recall is people saying the type of player he reminds them of, in terms of what he has the potential to become. Most saw shades of young Ray Allen with his shooting form and the way he seemed to glide down the court; I recall a few seeing some Caron Butler in his posture. I don't recall anyone suggesting that he was playing now like either one of them did when they earned their reputations as UConn greats.

Yes, there has been a lot of talk about Hurley's game preparation, substitutions and in-game coaching; and calls for Hawkins and others to play more, and for Gaffney and others to play less. It's kinda what we do here, when we're not discussing pizza or Arby's.

God bless you on the night shift. Merry Christmas, and I hope Santa brings Jordan some shots for all of our sake.
 
Rumrunner said:
Hawkins will be 20 years old this spring. He's playing like a freshman, but he's also too old to be playing like a freshman. So in a sense, it's a good thing because there's little chance of him leaving next year.
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Most freshman are his age. They basically all retake their freshman year of hs
 
8893 said:
No, it would have been stupid then, too. You're presumably a grown man, blaming a freshman basketball player and now a message board for the sadz because you raised your expectations and they haven't bet met immediately.

He's a heralded freshman whose start to the season was delayed by his ankle injury.

People gushed over his potential and longed for more minutes based on what we observed, culminating in the Auburn game. He has stumbled a bit since then, which was unfortunate timing because Tyrese's injury made him a starter and he didn't do enough to keep himself on the court.

We've said and seen it here dozens of times over the years: progress is not linear. If you have kids of your own you might have observed a similar phenomenon; or you may even remember being one yourself. Or maybe you still are, like me.

No one anointed him anything other than talented. I keep asking people where this false narrative started that he would possibly leave for the draft after this season; no one has answered yet, but it hasn't stopped people from repeating that canard in an effort to make him sound like a failure.

Surely there are more constructive ways to spend your time .
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8893 said:
No, it would have been stupid then, too. You're presumably a grown man, blaming a freshman basketball player and now a message board for
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I think Hawkins is a very important part of the team this year. He has played well in the wins and he has played poorly in the losses. Look at his scoring stats:

UConn 8 Wins:

15.8 minutes/game
7.5 points
45.5% 3 pointers
42.8% 2 pointers

UConn 3 Losses:

19.3 minutes/game
2.3 points
0.0% 3 pointers (0-8)
14.8% 2 pointers

I think he is playing with the typical freshman ups and downs right now and he will become more consistent as the season progresses. The last few games, he seems to be rushing his shot.
 
Rumrunner said:
Hawkins will be 20 years old this spring. He's playing like a freshman, but he's also too old to be playing like a freshman. So in a sense, it's a good thing because there's little chance of him leaving next year.
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This actually means the opposite. The fact that he's old for his year is bad and means that Hawkins will be feeling more pressure to leave and get drafted regardless of whether he actually accomplishes anything here.
 
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