Group of 5 playoff?

[brasssbonanzaa]

agree with Aresco. This would solidify the separation of the P5 and those that aspire to be P5 (Mtn west and AAC).

Not something that I'd be happy to see.

Bingo. This opens the door wide open for the P5 to break away completely with the argument of "See, the G5's already did it themselves! We're just taking what's left and formalizing our own playoff since they have theirs." It would also completely torpedo any shot the G5 schools would have at a collusion lawsuit against the P5.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

If this is an alternative to bowl games for G5 schools and they still have access to the CFP if a team is good enough (eg Houston this year, if they did not screw it up), then why not?

Essentially it would mean CFP for best 4 teams (P5 or G5) and then Bowls for remaining P5 and Playoffs for remaining G5.

The problem is, who cares what the 4 best G5 teams do? Say four of Temple, Navy, USF, Houston, and Boise play in this mini tournament (sub in WMU if you want) - what's the difference between these three games and other run of the mill bowl games these teams would otherwise play?

 

[EJHarrington]

Classic ESPN, get one confirmed source and make it something bigger than what it is.

The 5 conferences in the so-called Group of 5 would be committing suicide if it agreed to this.

 

[Husky25]

If this is an alternative to bowl games for G5 schools and they still have access to the CFP if a team is good enough (eg Houston this year, if they did not screw it up), then why not?

Essentially it would mean CFP for best 4 teams (P5 or G5) and then Bowls for remaining P5 and Playoffs for remaining G5.

Because the P5 conferences would never in a million years agree to that.

They are looking for ways to exclude and diminish the lower 66. Not give them more credibility.

 

[huskymedic]

Mid-American Conference commissioner doesn't think a separate playoff is the answer

 

[Redding Husky]

I'm not in favor of a G5 playoff. That's a complete surrender to the P5.

I'd like to play hardball. If they do anything else to separate themselves, I'd withdraw from the March Madness tournament. Let them have a BB tournament without 82% of the Division 1 BB schools. To hell with them.

 

[whaler11]

I agree they shouldn't surrender but the war is long over.

The P5 and G5 are playing a different sport.

 

[whaler11]

I'm not in favor of a G5 playoff. That's a complete surrender to the P5.

I'd like to play hardball. If they do anything else to separate themselves, I'd withdraw from the March Madness tournament. Let them have a BB tournament without 82% of the Division 1 BB schools. To hell with them.

Yeah the 70 or so schools in the G5 don't make up 82% of the D1 basketball schools.

If the G5 withdrew from the NCAA tourney everyone would chuckle and move on with their day.

The MAC, Sun Belt and CUSA are 1 bid leagues. Mountain West is headed in that direction. The American is a 2-3 bid league.

They would be thrilled to eliminate 5 auto bids. The A-10, MVC and WCC would get a couple extra teams in and take all the second tier recruits.

Nobody in the P5 would lose a second of sleep.

If you think the non-football leagues are doing that... you need to better understand how they fund their conference offices.

 

[Sky ball]

I agree they shouldn't surrender but the war is long over.

The P5 and G5 are playing a different sport.

You can whittle that down further. Just a portion of the P5 are. The OSU's, Clemson's and the Bama's are. The Vandy's, Wakes and Iowa States are not but are cashing P5 checks..

 

[kris1]

Haven't seen this mentioned here.....thoughts???

Group of 5 schools considering own playoff

Saw this discussed on ESPN's College Football Live yesterday. The panel was unanimously for it, stating that G5 schools had no chance to be in the top 4 over a P5 school and how meaningless the ancillary bowls have become.

 

[Exit 4]

Haven't seen this mentioned here.....thoughts???

Group of 5 schools considering own playoff

Its been posted at least once and discussed, maybe twice. No one liked the idea...its a death sentence.

 

[Chuck]

I have no doubt it would end in a merger of G5 and FCS schools. I don't think that's what G5 want. That being said, I agree with the premise that there is absolutely no shot that a G5 will be given a chance at making the 4 team playoff. I still believe that the G5 should be pushing for an 8 team playoff with the Power 5 each getting a slot to use how they wish (Champion or highest ranked), and 3 wild cards based on rankings, 1 of which must be the highest ranked G5 as long as its rated in the top 25. Will it happen? I don't think so, but that's the only way I can see the G5 getting a team in the playoffs.

 

[RioDog]

I posted elsewhere that there should be a AAC/MWC championship game with the winner gaining an autobid to an eight game playoff. I don't like any arrangement involving "rankings". G5 playoff as stated above would be a death sentence.

 

[huskymedic]

More thoughts here: Group of 5 playoff?

 

[UConnSportsGuy]

The ideal end state is a 12 team playoff in D1.

Six automatic qualifiers (the five P5 conference champs and the highest ranked G5 conference champ), along with 6 'wild cards'.

The four highest ranked conference champs get a bye in the opening round and then get to host the quarterfinal games at their home stadium. The other 8 teams play an opening round at the traditional bowl game locations. The semifinals and finals can be held at rotating cities (like the current finals and basketball final four).

This would expand the tournament, but not de-value the regular season or conference championships (given the bye week and hosting home games for the top four conference champs).

 

[huskymedic]

More thoughts here: Group of 5 playoff?

Never mind - merged them.

 

[Jax Husky]

So dumb. Will lose all ki ds of money. No one is traveling to a football NIT

 

[BlueDogs]

The reason there will be no 8 team playoff is it let's loose of the P5 stranglehold on the college system. I agree with prior comments that they will never let a G5 in and they are paying lip service. An undefeated G5 will never make the top 4 because they discount the strength of schedule. A G5 could never construct a schedule to meet the pre-ordained level
of competition because the opponents are in the power conferences. This whole P5 concept is a blatant distortion of the system and is a grossly anticompetitive arrangement. Bad for college football, bad fans and bad for healthy competition.

 

[CL82]

The g5 needs money. I support it.

And also believe UConn won't be G5 forever.

I want to believe that, I truly do. I just don't see a path anymore. Maybe if ND joins the ACC full time, maybe, but that's it.

 

[Marty Jackson]

The reason there will be no 8 team playoff is it let's loose of the P5 stranglehold on the college system. I agree with prior comments that they will never let a G5 in and they are paying lip service. An undefeated G5 will never make the top 4 because they discount the strength of schedule. A G5 could never construct a schedule to meet the pre-ordained level
of competition because the opponents are in the power conferences. This whole P5 concept is a blatant distortion of the system and is a grossly anticompetitive arrangement. Bad for college football, bad fans and bad for healthy competition.

of course it is, if your on our side of the fence. people say that no G5 will make the playoff, but within the first couple years of this new format, Houston was knocking on the door. Had they won out, beating Oklahoma and Louisville would have been hard to keep them out.

 

[BlueDogs]

of course it is, if your on our side of the fence. people say that no G5 will make the playoff, but within the first couple years of this new format, Houston was knocking on the door. Had they won out, beating Oklahoma and Louisville would have been hard to keep them out.

I was thinking about Houston and I distinctly remember the media talking heads saying if they ran the table it probably would not be enough even against one loss SEC and B1g, PAC teams.

 

[huskymedic]

ODU's Wilder, Selig rightly skeptical of Group of Five playoff

""In my America," Wilder said, "not everybody gets a trophy.""

 

[Bootsthemonkey]

Nobody in the "G5" should be in favor of it either. It essentially solidifies the non P5 schools as the new 1-AA and turns the FCS into D2. Just because Northern Illinois doesn't feel it has a chance to play in the playoffs doesn't mean that a Houston or a BYU has no chance. If those schools go undefeated, they'll play (as the fourth seed, probably)...

I completely agree. It serves no other purpose than to keep any and all non-P5 teams out of the discussion when it comes to a playoff.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

An 8-team playoff with the 5 conference champions, highest ranked G5 if they're ranked in the top 15 or something, and two wild cards is the most realistic scenario for playoff expansion. It still won't happen though. This G5 playoff is a ridiculous idea.

 

[EdgewoodNHV]

I mean... I get the whole idea of the self-inflicted death sentence, but at some point you gotta accept you aren't getting the invite, and if some network is willing to pay you more than you're gonna make from your terrible TV contract, you gotta take the money right?

 

[Jax Husky]

The reason there will be no 8 team playoff is it let's loose of the P5 stranglehold on the college system. I agree with prior comments that they will never let a G5 in and they are paying lip service. An undefeated G5 will never make the top 4 because they discount the strength of schedule. A G5 could never construct a schedule to meet the pre-ordained level
of competition because the opponents are in the power conferences. This whole P5 concept is a blatant distortion of the system and is a grossly anticompetitive arrangement. Bad for college football, bad fans and bad for healthy competition.

Baloney, an undefeated Houston team, with wins over Oklahoma and Louisville would have been in, 100%

 

[BlueDogs]

Baloney, an undefeated Houston team, with wins over Oklahoma and Louisville would have been in, 100%

Not according to many pundits because their schedule would be too weak and 1 loss teams from the B1G, SEC and PAC would likely be ahead. At best they squeeze in 4th and there was no guarantee if there were undefeated teams with one loss teams. System is rigged my friend.

 

[Jax Husky]

They would have been 13-0 with wins over Oklahoma, Louisville, Navy, Temple, and USF. That would have been a far better resume than Washington had. Pundits were saying what they said hecause Houston was already out of it. If they had gone undefeated, I fully believe they would have been in.

Washington basically played USC, and got pounded. Houston would have been #4, I believe.

 

[whaler11]

Had Houston gone 13-0 they would have been in.

The AAC can't cry in advance. They need to come up with a 13-0 team who beats a team or two OOC. If they get left out then cry.

 

[sub legacy]

If they did that, why don't they have like an AFL/NFL championship between G5 and P5 champion. But of course, if it ever got that elaborate, it would most certainly be time to start paying players.