GO NOVA!!! KICK SOME CUSE BUTT!!!

[caw]

They made the elite 8 last year...and who the hell cares about final fours and elite 8s that are forced on the casual fan like its a great achievement ......u remember the 8th place finisher in the nfl last year? .....championships are all that matter and uconn has us three to one.....so end of story.....but pleAse stop act like that 2003 cuse team was a man team bc it wasnt

LOL, WOW

• Coaches think a final four is a major achievement (unless you are K or Izzo among active coaches).
• Players think a final four is a major achievement
• Rabid fans think a final four is a major achievement
• Casual fans think a final four is a major achievement
• But Pauliepeppas doesn't, so it isn't because it's forced on you...LOL, you are right and everyone else is wrong.

• NFL has 32 teams, top 8 means you are in the top 25%, 12 teams make the playoffs.
• NCAA basketball has 300+ teams, 65 make the NCAAT (about top 20%). 8 (top 3%), 4 (top 1.5%).
• HORRIBLE comparison, just beyond silly.

• Melo is to Kemba as Warrick was to Lamb, and yet all I hear is how the 2011 team was a one man team...
• Cuse 2003 and UConn 2011 wouldn't have seen the second round of the NCAAT without Melo or Kemba. No NCAA championship team is a one man team, but those two are the closest in the past 20 years.

 

[CAHUSKY]

.

]Do you think Gonzaga,Butler et al are craving football so they can be successful

No, not today. However, on the day that the major conferences walk away from the NCAA they will be left adrift in what is akin to Div III athletics as only the majors will compete for national titles in football AND basketball.

 

[Danzz]

.

Look if you can't discuss or debate preferences without making very general,inaccurate and unfounded accusations we have nothing to talk about. Both my children have UConn degrees and very successful careers in education and public relations. My commitment to the academic quality of the University is longstanding and unqualified. As I have often noted here, I have been a fan of the basketball program since 1960. I have never viewed, despite the current inter-conference feeding frenzy, the success of the university's athletic department as "football driven". I understand the reality of college athletics as big business. However, as simply as I can put it, I am almost exclusively a hoops and soccer(my son played for the university) fan. There are a large number of top academic institutions who have nationally known and very successful basketball programs; and either no football or comparatively low level football. Do you think Gonzaga,Butler et al are craving football so they can be successful?

This football related nonsense is for those who can never have enough power and money. I am really not a fan of insults hurled anonymously on message boards and I apologize for my earlier comments. HOWEVER, I would strongly suggest, when you feel the urge to take a very narrow view of someone else's opinion, that you tread carefully with the conclusions that you draw from that line of thinking. If I was not convinced that hoops success was absolutely possible(TV contracts included) without football, I would not have advanced the case. The evidence is there historically. There are plenty of examples complete with top level academics,very successful basketball programs and extraordinarily loyal,passionate and driven fans. And I would ask many of the university presidents and athletic directors to seriously reconsider the concept that bigger and richer is better. Okay, I'm done.

GO HUSKIES!!! BEAT THE SCARLET KNIGHTS!!!

You are being way too sensitive. Get over yourself.

 

[Mike Honcho]

Self righteous, wrong. The daily double

If anyone is self righteous in this thread and every other one he participates in, it's zls. Agree with hoops, you need to learn how to form persuasive arguments without writing in caps, feigning incredulity, making sweeping generalizations, and using morality, “common sense" and Ridiculous. Punctuation. To make your point. Not everyone believes fouling when you're up three to be a no-brainer, specifically Jim Calhoun, so tone down the rhetoric. You are not the smartest poster on the board. If you win any superlative, it would be the most obnoxious read on this message board, way more so than freescooter. I sincerely hope you're not this unbearable in real life.

 

[pauliepeppas]

LOL, WOW

• Coaches think a final four is a major achievement (unless you are K or Izzo among active coaches).
• Players think a final four is a major achievement
• Rabid fans think a final four is a major achievement
• Casual fans think a final four is a major achievement
• But Pauliepeppas doesn't, so it isn't because it's forced on you...LOL, you are right and everyone else is wrong.

• NFL has 32 teams, top 8 means you are in the top 25%, 12 teams make the playoffs.
• NCAA basketball has 300+ teams, 65 make the NCAAT (about top 20%). 8 (top 3%), 4 (top 1.5%).
• HORRIBLE comparison, just beyond silly.

• Melo is to Kemba as Warrick was to Lamb, and yet all I hear is how the 2011 team was a one man team...
• Cuse 2003 and UConn 2011 wouldn't have seen the second round of the NCAAT without Melo or Kemba. No NCAA championship team is a one man team, but those two are the closest in the past 20 years.

Caw your a smart dude and i respect that but in all honesty i dont care about finishing in 4th place or 8th place......i guess the coaches use these achievements as a recruiting tool or w.e but its all about championships man....i envy uconn for that

 

[caw]

Caw your a smart dude and i respect that but in all honesty i dont care about finishing in 4th place or 8th place......i guess the coaches use these achievements as a recruiting tool or w.e but its all about championships man....i envy uconn for that

I'll be honest, that makes no sense to me. It makes less sense from a Cuse fan. Syracuse has been to a good number of Final Fours. That should be respected. I'm not one to hand a trophy for participation, but final fours are worthy of being lauded, especially now, with the field being 68 teams. Obviously they are below Championships, but they are very worthy goals and achievements. When you are talking about final fours from when the tourney was 16 teams or fewer, not as impressive.

If Cuse had made a final four last year and not won it all, it still is something that should be applauded. It would even be OK to make a shirt about it.

 

[UConn76]

College sports just isn't the same for me.

Had an amazing Syracuse vs. Villanova game and right now there's a good Louisville vs. Georgetown game and I just don't give a .

I don't even enjoy watching the games besides UConn anymore.

duck em all, go Huskies.

Couldn't agree more. Can't stand to watch games being broadcast under the Big East banner with ads showing how all little kids want to play in the BET in NY.
Makes me ill.

 

[zls44]

.

Look if you can't discuss or debate preferences without making very general,inaccurate and unfounded accusations we have nothing to talk about. Both my children have UConn degrees and very successful careers in education and public relations. My commitment to the academic quality of the University is longstanding and unqualified. As I have often noted here, I have been a fan of the basketball program since 1960. I have never viewed, despite the current inter-conference feeding frenzy, the success of the university's athletic department as "football driven". I understand the reality of college athletics as big business. However, as simply as I can put it, I am almost exclusively a hoops and soccer(my son played for the university) fan. There are a large number of top academic institutions who have nationally known and very successful basketball programs; and either no football or comparatively low level football. Do you think Gonzaga,Butler et al are craving football so they can be successful?

This football related nonsense is for those who can never have enough power and money. I am really not a fan of insults hurled anonymously on message boards and I apologize for my earlier comments. HOWEVER, I would strongly suggest, when you feel the urge to take a very narrow view of someone else's opinion, that you tread carefully with the conclusions that you draw from that line of thinking. If I was not convinced that hoops success was absolutely possible(TV contracts included) without football, I would not have advanced the case. The evidence is there historically. There are plenty of examples complete with top level academics,very successful basketball programs and extraordinarily loyal,passionate and driven fans. And I would ask many of the university presidents and athletic directors to seriously reconsider the concept that bigger and richer is better. Okay, I'm done.

GO HUSKIES!!! BEAT THE SCARLET KNIGHTS!!!

Do me a favor, make a list of Final Four participants and National Champions in the last 20 years who did not play FBS football.

I'll wait. Won't take long.

There's a good reason for that.

 

[zls44]

If anyone is self righteous in this thread and every other one he participates in, it's zls. Agree with hoops, you need to learn how to form persuasive arguments without writing in caps, feigning incredulity, making sweeping generalizations, and using morality, “common sense" and Ridiculous. Punctuation. To make your point. Not everyone believes fouling when you're up three to be a no-brainer, specifically Jim Calhoun, so tone down the rhetoric. You are not the smartest poster on the board. If you win any superlative, it would be the most obnoxious read on this message board, way more so than freescooter. I sincerely hope you're not this unbearable in real life.

See this, people? THIS is how you argue on a messageboard. Well done.

Totally wrong, naturally, as you are just intellectually inferior, but good try.

BTW, a couple more teams today got hosed/nearly hosed by not fouling when up 3. I don't care what Jim Calhoun thinks on this subject: HE'S WRONG. EVERY STUDY PROVES THIS. ALL OF THEM.

He's capable of being a legendary coach and being wrong about things. Sorry if your little candyland world cannot handle it. That's a you problem. You should work on fixing that.

 

[caw]

Do me a favor, make a list of Final Four participants and National Champions in the last 20 years who did not play FBS football.

I'll wait. Won't take long.

There's a good reason for that.

Well, there is one very important team on the list: UConn 1999. Heck, considering UConn's FBS football history, it's close to including 2004. I mean it's not like UConn received any real benefits from being in a BCS conference by 2004 as a football member.

I do get the point though.

 

[zls44]

I'll be honest, that makes no sense to me. It makes less sense from a Cuse fan. Syracuse has been to a good number of Final Fours. That should be respected. I'm not one to hand a trophy for participation, but final fours are worthy of being lauded, especially now, with the field being 68 teams. Obviously they are below Championships, but they are very worthy goals and achievements. When you are talking about final fours from when the tourney was 16 teams or fewer, not as impressive.

If Cuse had made a final four last year and not won it all, it still is something that should be applauded. It would even be OK to make a shirt about it.

Different people have different goals. It happens.

It's not like deciding not to foul when up 3 with less than five seconds remaining; that's where mentally weak people like 3for3 just bow to idols because they can't think for themselves or comprehend mathematic equations or probability models.

 

[caw]

Different people have different goals. It happens.

It's not like deciding not to foul when up 3 with less than five seconds remaining; that's where mentally weak people like 3for3 just bow to idols because they can't think for themselves or comprehend mathematic equations or probability models.

Umm, Marquette was the correct call not to foul. It isn't always the correct call, but it was against Marquette. Take a look at the percentage the guy who hit the shot shoots from three. Take a look at the type of shot he took and from where on the court. I would bet Marquette had a higher chance by making the foul shot and getting the rebound and putback than that guy did from that spot on the court.

I do agree it's not always the best call, but it was in that game. Against a team like ND or Duke or some other good shooting team, you foul.

 

[zls44]

Well, there is one very important team on the list: UConn 1999.

I do get the point though.

UConn had announced they were going FBS by then, but I'll grant it.

Here's the list:
-Butler (2x)
-Villanova
-Marquette
-Georgetown
-VCU
-George ****ing Mason
-UConn (1999, kinda)
-UMass (different sort of kinda)

That's it. That's the list. Since 1993. Of the last 80 spots, 71 belong to schools playing major college football. 88.75%. UConn in 1999 is the only National Championship.

I don't think programs make the Final Four BECAUSE they have football, but the numbers speak for themselves. Major college football is a tremendous moneymaker, even at a place like Kentucky or Connecticut.

 

[UConn Hoops1]

UConn had announced they were going FBS by then, but I'll grant it.

Here's the list:
-Butler (2x)
-Villanova
-Marquette
-Georgetown
-VCU
-George ****ing Mason
-UConn (1999, kinda)
-UMass (different sort of kinda)

That's it. That's the list. Since 1993. Of the last 80 spots, 71 belong to schools playing major college football. 88.75%. UConn in 1999 is the only National Championship

I don't think programs make the Final Four BECAUSE they have football, but the numbers speak for themselves. Major college football is a tremendous moneymaker, even at a place like Kentucky or Connecticut.

Look, I'm a guy who will be happy to point out that there are too many people obtaining college degrees. Those people have benefited from the evolution(actually "transition" would be more accurate because imo it is a phenomena with negative connotations) of academics on an extraordinary number of campuses from an ongoing,engaging and increasingly challenging intellectual experience to a diluted, irrelevant and misleading business model designed to sustain a multi-million dollar scam masquerading as education. They have two or more letters after their name that provide entry into the job market; while they struggle to create a complete sentence. It is no wonder, in this environment, that the romance, nostalgia and history of college athletics are rapidly losing ground to the bottom line and financial power rather than rivalries dominate decision making and planning.

Your lists and statistics are not the point of the argument/debate. At least not for me they aren't. What they do, along with the actions of so many presidents and athletic directors wheeling and dealing for as big a piece of the pie as they can grab(Unlike Wall Street how?), is shine a bright light on where college athletics is heading. And many of us, as underlined by some of the posts in this thread expressing a tragic disinterest in Big East basketball, want absolutely no part of it.

GO HUSKIES!!! BEAT THE SCARLET KNIGHTS!!!

 

[zls44]

I would bet Marquette had a higher chance by making the foul shot and getting the rebound and putback than that guy did from that spot on the court.

Kids practice halfcourt shots all the time, in practice and just fooling around. They hardly ever practice the putback situation, and what's more, it's actually much harder to execute.

But instead of speaking in theories, we can turn to math, to actual instances where these things actually happen. HS coach Steve Finamore has done this (highlighted by Mike DeCourcey).

There have been 279 total situations this season in which a team was ahead three points with the other team in possession of the ball and seven seconds or less to play.

46 teams hit a tying three.

Only one team in ANY game in ALL of college basketball this season made the first free-throw, missed the second, got the rebound and hit the putback- Kent State against Valparaiso.

And it shouldn't have counted- there was a missed lane violation on the play.

46 vs. 1. Ain't even a debate. It's science.

 

[zls44]

Also, the kid for Villanova who hit the three today against Syracuse was having a horrible shooting day. Didn't seem to magically prevent him from hitting a corner three, or the Marquette kid from hitting his three.

 

[Mots010]

If in 20 years, Uconn is still in this clusterduck of a conference we're about to be in, then I hope we nuke Renchtler field.

 

[caw]

Also, the kid for Villanova who hit the three today against Syracuse was having a horrible shooting day. Didn't seem to magically prevent him from hitting a corner three, or the Marquette kid from hitting his three.

If I were Cuse I would have fouled. Villanova has a few very good shooters and had the ball in the hands of one of those shooters. Marquette had the ball in the hands of a guy who shoots about 20% from three on his career, I beleive it was actually less at the time.

 

[Mots010]

Nova shot their first 3 with around 8-9 seconds left. By the time the scramble for the rebound occurred, and the ball was passed out to the wing, there was about 4-5 seconds left. When are you supposed to foul there? Maybe on the rebound, but it all happened pretty quickly. Fouling with 8+ seconds left would not be ideal.

 

[Woof 101]

I have been a fan of UConn basketball since the early 60s. My opinion and my interests are my rights and do not detract one iota from who I am and how strong a fan I am. I deleted two posts in this thread and wish I could delete the initial post because, unfortunately, it has attracted sanctimonious insults from a boring, predictable a**hole like you. If you want to really know what's wrong with the UConn fan base look in the damn mirror. It ain't rocket science. Pathetic!

Pot calling the kettle black? .........

 

[zls44]

Nova shot their first 3 with around 8-9 seconds left. By the time the scramble for the rebound occurred, and the ball was passed out to the wing, there was about 4-5 seconds left. When are you supposed to foul there? Maybe on the rebound, but it all happened pretty quickly. Fouling with 8+ seconds left would not be ideal.

Only situation where it applied is where MCW is standing next to the kid on the game-tying three and just stands straight up. Wrap him up!

 

[UConn5]

F both 'Cuse and Villanova. They are both tty basketball schools.

 

[zls44]

Look, I'm a guy who will be happy to point out that there are too many people obtaining college degrees. Those people have benefited from the evolution(actually "transition" would be more accurate because imo it is a phenomena with negative connotations) of academics on an extraordinary number of campuses from an ongoing,engaging and increasingly challenging intellectual experience to a diluted, irrelevant and misleading business model designed to sustain a multi-million dollar scam masquerading as education. They have two or more letters after their name that provide entry into the job market; while they struggle to create a complete sentence. It is no wonder, in this environment, that the romance, nostalgia and history of college athletics are rapidly losing ground to the bottom line and financial power rather than rivalries dominate decision making and planning.

Your lists and statistics are not the point of the argument/debate. At least not for me they aren't. What they do, along with the actions of so many presidents and athletic directors wheeling and dealing for as big a piece of the pie as they can grab(Unlike Wall Street how?), is shine a bright light on where college athletics is heading. And many of us, as underlined by some of the posts in this thread expressing a tragic disinterest in Big East basketball, want absolutely no part of it.

GO HUSKIES!!! BEAT THE SCARLET KNIGHTS!!!

"If I had my way, I'd never work. I'd just stay home all day, watch Scarface 50 times, eat a turkey sandwich, and have sex all day. Then I'd dress up like a clown, and surprise kids at schools. Then I'd take a dump in the back of a movie theater, and just wait until somebody sat in it. Hear it squish. That's funny to me. Then I'd paint, and read, and play violin. I'd climb the mountains, and sing the songs that I like to sing.

But I don't got that kinda time."

 

[UConn Hoops1]

What can I say zls? It's pretty clear that you've stopped taking your medication. Is there someone I can call? Just back away from the keyboard and take a deep breath. Oh, and switch to Decaf. Yikes! ;-)