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CAST-BONE said:
Its a shoulder dislocation, just telling you theres not much "critical" information to be had.
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Sure there is! Don't you know Kevin Ollie is going to come on here tonight from his hotel room and post images of AG's x-rays and medical reports????
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
Sure there is! Don't you know Kevin Ollie is going to come on here tonight from his hotel room and post images of AG's x-rays and medical reports????
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I dislocated my left shoulder 6 times many years ago...it is true, you feel great once it's back in place as compared to when it popped out. You're put in a sling with ice. After a week or so you feel good, tightness disapates. Played football in three weeks after the first one. True, it is a degenerative injury...each time it happens it gets easier to pop out. Got to a point where it will roll out of socket while sleeping. Back in the day, they put metal staples in if the damage was significant...have two. Now it's scoped and the rehab is much easier.
Remember Steve Pikel? Same deal only decades later. You can't lift your arm above shoulder height with risking dislocation...reaching out for a loose ball is another. Hurts like hell.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
I think KO is talking out of his ass. He said the same thing right after the Marymount game as well.
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[QUOTE="Silk31, post: 1900207, member: 269
this makes KO's timetable comments sound very weird
Saying one thing in the media and another thing behind closed doors? Strange [/QUOTE]

If true, they would be strange. But that is a big "IF"
Sort of like the predictions he would be out all year. Would have been a bigger deal "if" true. Because things aren't perfectly clear, doesn't necessarily mean KO is acting strange.
I would listen to the doctors and other posters who had the same problem, realize that medicine continues to make advances and be patient. No reason to cast aspersions at this time.
 
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Richmondhsky said:
I dislocated my left shoulder 6 times many years ago...it is true, you feel great once it's back in place as compared to when it popped out. You're put in a sling with ice. After a week or so you feel good, tightness disapates. Played football in three weeks after the first one. True, it is a degenerative injury...each time it happens it gets easier to pop out. Got to a point where it will roll out of socket while sleeping. Back in the day, they put metal staples in if the damage was significant...have two. Now it's scoped and the rehab is much easier.
Remember Steve Pikel? Same deal only decades later. You can't lift your arm above shoulder height with risking dislocation...reaching out for a loose ball is another. Hurts like hell.
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See I was thinking last week, I'm surprised they haven't developed some better ways to stabilize the shoulder and keep the dislocations from happening over and over again. Whether that be a brace you wear over your torso or some more diesel version of the black tape we see on shoulders a lot, color me surprised the physical therapy industry hasn't hacked this better yet. I guess its hard to keep it from popping out but also allow you freedom of motion
 
ConnHuskBask said:
Pretty sure I'm going to wait and see what an actual doctor says to KO before I consider anything he says.
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You think KO is saying these comments without having spoken to and receiving input from the doctors, trainers, and AG himself first?
 
CAST-BONE said:
Its a shoulder dislocation, just telling you theres not much "critical" information to be had.
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So what limitations does this kind of injury have when popped back in, and what percentage of mobility returns? In basketball terms can he dribble, shoot, block shots and rebound immediately following the 'fix'?

I had arthroscopic shoulder surgery, totally different, but still I would imagine that something popping out and put back in would have some effect. Or is it normal if its happened a lot?
 
Kitaman said:
So what limitations does this kind of injury have when popped back in, and what percentage of mobility returns? In basketball terms can he dribble, shoot, block shots and rebound immediately following the 'fix'?

I had arthroscopic shoulder surgery, totally different, but still I would imagine that something popping out and put back in would have some effect. Or is it normal if its happened a lot?
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If there were tears to the tendentious attachments surrounding the shoulder joint and/or an impingment of the brachial plexus nerves one could experience muscle fatigue, weakness, and in the case of nerve damage, numbness.

It still makes sense to proceed with caution and monitor how the shoulder responds to full game speed action, but if he does not have any pain as well as full range of motion of the shoulder without discomfort then there are zero limitations for him.
 
Surprising how many people are chiming in on this.

I'm a orthopedic surgeon and I'm keeping my mouth shut because I don't have all the information.

Unless someone knows exactly what kind of procedure he had before, the extent of his current injury, and evaluation by his previous surgeon and/or current UConn surgeons (who are phenomenal--Dr Arciero is one of the countries experts in recurrent shoulder dislocations), everyone here is just speculating.
 
aceboon said:
You think KO is saying these comments without having spoken to and receiving input from the doctors, trainers, and AG himself first?
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I'm sure he has. I'd just prefer to hear what happened to AG followed with a real "medical" prognosis as opposed to just day to day or game time decision "coach speak" before I get my hopes up that that we'll see the kid back out there in the next game or two.

Not sure why that is ruffling so many feathers here.
 
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Giddyup5 said:
Surprising how many people are chiming in on this.

I'm a orthopedic surgeon and I'm keeping my mouth shut because I don't have all the information.

Unless someone knows exactly what kind of procedure he had before, the extent of his current injury, and evaluation by his previous surgeon and/or current UConn surgeons (who are phenomenal--Dr Arciero is one of the countries experts in recurrent shoulder dislocations), everyone here is just speculating.
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That's what I'm saying haha.

Rather get all the information as opposed to just hearing game time decision from the coach.
 
Two things.

1) Kevin Ollie is the face and voice of the program. Disseminating information as it relates to the men's basketball team is part of his job. You're not going to hear directly from any doctor, but it is a tad unreasonable to think that Ollie made these statements without first getting briefed by the examining physician.

2) There seems to be some confusion on the difference between a shoulder dislocation and separation. They are indeed different injuries.
 
Giddyup5 said:
Surprising how many people are chiming in on this.

I'm a orthopedic surgeon and I'm keeping my mouth shut because I don't have all the information.

Unless someone knows exactly what kind of procedure he had before, the extent of his current injury, and evaluation by his previous surgeon and/or current UConn surgeons (who are phenomenal--Dr Arciero is one of the countries experts in recurrent shoulder dislocations), everyone here is just speculating.
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I understand you not going on record but.... it's within the realm of possibility that he could play with some kind of brace and not be at any worse risk than say 3 weeks from now? Because he says he's not in pain and it is his non shooting shoulder.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
No, again I'm waiting until I hear a more detailed account of what happened as opposed to the basketball coach saying 'maybe a game time decision'.

Not sure why you and Ern are so bent on this. Hopefully the kid comes back Tuesday, I'd love that. Just waiting til more details come out before penciling him in this week.
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How am I "bent"? I just find the idea that you think Ollie is just freelancing here, playing amateur doctor, to be a little stupid. These are not fly by night operations, these are big money athletic programs. Also, the idea that you disagree with Kevin from your couch and need "more details" before you "pencil him in" is just silly.
 
Towney007 said:
He should sit out another week for sure. There's just no urgency in getting him back before he's ready. If this was March and he's up to it - he should go for it. But it's November and we're in Maui, so... enjoy the free trip to Hawaii kid.
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Considering the Selection Committee will 100% be looking at this tournament, our performance in which may tip seeding (or appearance) one way or the other, we definitely need him here more than just about any other time of he season. If we come out of Maui winless, our only shot at the tounament is running the table with the conference regular season and/or tournament
 
Kembacity said:
, color me surprised the physical therapy industry hasn't hacked this better yet. I guess its hard to keep it from popping out but also allow you freedom of motion
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It's impossible actually. Completely immobilized is the only way to do it. Impact from all angles + plus full extension everywhere... Can't
 
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BigErnMcCracken said:
How am I "bent"? I just find the idea that you think Ollie is just freelancing here, playing amateur doctor, to be a little stupid. These are not fly by night operations, these are big money athletic programs. Also, the idea that you disagree with Kevin from your couch and need "more details" before you "pencil him in" is just silly.
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I never commented on the extent of Gilbert's injury and I never predicted how long he would be out either. For all we know and hope, he'll be out there tonight.

I get the feeling KO is using a little gamesmanship similarly to Bellichick listing half his starters before a game as questionable. It's a hunch and the fact we haven't heard anything more detailed on the injury raises a red flag for me because usually we hear more regarding the medical report of injuries.

So, again no couch based medical diagnosis here. Just cautiously optimistic until we see Gilbert on the floor.
 
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Giddyup5 said:
Surprising how many people are chiming in on this.

I'm a orthopedic surgeon and I'm keeping my mouth shut because I don't have all the information.

Unless someone knows exactly what kind of procedure he had before, the extent of his current injury, and evaluation by his previous surgeon and/or current UConn surgeons (who are phenomenal--Dr Arciero is one of the countries experts in recurrent shoulder dislocations), everyone here is just speculating.
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Are you really a doctor or do just play one on TV? Just like the rest of us who think we are coaching experts. :rolleyes:
 
ConnHuskBask said:
I get the feeling KO is using a little gamesmanship similarly to Bellichick listing half his starters before a game as questionable. It's a hunch and the fact we haven't heard anything more detailed on the injury raises a red flag for me because usually we hear more regarding the medical report of injuries.
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I don't think Gilbert has played enough to earn the kind of respect to be specifically gameplanned against by other coaches, especially on a 1-2 team who has lost to 2 low ranked programs and for who another had a better than average shot to force overtime.

I find it odd that you don't take Ollie at his word. I am not aware of any history of this sort of gamesmanship from him.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
How am I "bent"? I just find the idea that you think Ollie is just freelancing here, playing amateur doctor, to be a little stupid.
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My only correction would be, I think that would be A LOT stupid.
 
Husky25 said:
I find it odd that you don't take Ollie at his word. I am not aware of any history of this sort of gamesmanship from him.
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It is strange to me as well, I have no reason to not believe KO. Maybe I'm just jaded from Diaco.
 
Kembacity said:
See I was thinking last week, I'm surprised they haven't developed some better ways to stabilize the shoulder and keep the dislocations from happening over and over again. Whether that be a brace you wear over your torso or some more diesel version of the black tape we see on shoulders a lot, color me surprised the physical therapy industry hasn't hacked this better yet. I guess its hard to keep it from popping out but also allow you freedom of motion
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My ortho suggested a motorcross brace (DonJoy Sully Shoulder Brace | The Brace Shop) after I dislocated my shoulder a few times. Kept it from popping out all the way but my shoulder definitely moved a few times when making tackles for football. It completely limits your movement though and I don't think you'd be able to play basketball in one.
 
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Maybe there should be rule, don't discuss injuries on the board. some here seem to be taking it personal. If gilbert is a 'game time decision' then there is reason for optimism, if he ends up missing 3 months like OZ said than the staff deserves fair criticism.
 
James said:
Maybe there should be rule, don't discuss injuries on the board. some here seem to be taking it personal. If gilbert is a 'game time decision' then there is reason for optimism, if he ends up missing 3 months like OZ said than the staff deserves fair criticism.
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Don't really think the guy who posts the below should be in the position to call others out for taking it personal, KO's comments seem to have you in your feelings a bit too much.

"This idea that its a 'game time decision' is bonkers, there is no way he is going to be playing anytime soon. he had to be helped off the court, and has a shoulder injury history to boot. You really just can't trust what the staff says to the media about any injuries, things go from 'minor soreness' to 'potential redshirts' in a blink of a eye."
 
aceboon said:
Don't really think the guy who posts the below should be in the position to call others out for taking it personal, KO's comments seem to have you in your feelings a bit too much.

"This idea that its a 'game time decision' is bonkers, there is no way he is going to be playing anytime soon. he had to be helped off the court, and has a shoulder injury history to boot. You really just can't trust what the staff says to the media about any injuries, things go from 'minor soreness' to 'potential redshirts' in a blink of a eye."
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maybe, I just don't get how a source close to the team says 3 months but the staff is saying its a game time decision. it is what is not worried about it
 
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