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I used to be pretty into boxing but I haven’t followed the sport much the last few years. I know there are some on here who do, so to them: is this fight worth buying? Does a 40 year old GGG have a shot?
 
Should be. But GGG did get hit alot in his last fight. He has a great chin but, yea, he is 40. We'll find out if the tank is empty.
 
I'm buying, since I'm a GGG fan. Regardless of the the result, I expect the fight to be competitive. GGG may be older, and perhaps a step slower now, but he will give it his all as we really wants to win this time. Bivol beat Canelo by outboxing him, and GGG needs to be cautiously aggressive behind his jabs attacking the body and using combinations more.
 
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WeAreUCONN said:
I’ll watch and hope that GGG puts Canelo to sleep.
The Spence/Crawford fight would be Epic. Hopefully it comes to fruition.

deadspin.com

Deadspin | Boxing mega-fight: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Terence Crawford in November, possibly

Deadspin | Boxing mega-fight: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Terence Crawford in November, possibly
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Spence vs Crawford will be an exciting fight to boxing fans, but not convinced casuals will be so into it. If that fight happens in 2022 maybe not enough time to promote it.
 
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Marat said:
Spence vs Crawford will be an exciting fight to boxing fans, but not convinced casuals will be so into it. If that fight happens in 2022 maybe not enough time to promote it.
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You make good points. I don’t know all of the current boxers but in my mind these are the top two pound for pound guys in boxing. I wouldn’t ever expect Crawford to be an underdog but I think he would be against Spence. I don’t think there’s a fight I would pay to see more than this one.
 
Marat said:
I'm buying, since I'm a GGG fan. Regardless of the the result, I expect the fight to be competitive. GGG may be older, and perhaps a step slower now, but he will give it his all as we really wants to win this time. Bivol beat Canelo by outboxing him, and GGG needs to be cautiously aggressive behind his jabs attacking the body and using combinations more.
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I’ve been a GGG fan for awhile. He reminded me of Arturo Gatti except Golovkin is a better boxer and bigger puncher but they both have great chins. They both give their all every fight. GGG would have destroyed Canelo in his prime but unfortunately we never got to see that. Maybe GGG can turn back the hands of time for a couple rounds and knockout Canelo. I’ll be watching and hoping.
 
TheChamps990411 said:
That is THE fight in boxing. That is an absolute buy from me. Crawford stops Spence late. Too dynamic. More tools in the box.
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I think you are correct about Crawford being the more skilled fighter/boxer but I think Spence has the power advantage. Crawford has tremendous defense and Spence would be facing the best fighter of his career but I think Spence has a chance to score the knockout. I would not be surprised if either fighter was stopped but it would be a war and the advantage does go to Crawford because he has more experience and a more complete skill set.
 
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superjohn said:
Possibly after they fight each other but I've got Fury #1.
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I highly doubt you would find Fury on any boxing analyst’s top 5 list. Pound for pound usually reserved for super middleweights and under. Fury just big, stupid, strong, and can take a punch. I would not ever refer to Fury as highly skilled.

Edit* I googled it and it lists Fury as #6 which is higher than I imagined he’d be. Also had Canelo #1 and I definitely disagree with that.
 
superjohn said:
Possibly after they fight each other but I've got Fury #1.
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Fury needs to stop avoiding Usyk if he is indeed coming out of “retirement”. Dillian Whyte should’ve never got that last fight either.

Hard to have a heavyweight top of p4p regardless.
 
WeAreUCONN said:
I would not ever refer to Fury as highly skilled.
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I respectfully think you are out of your mind. I used to say the same about Fury. I used to call him sideshow bob but then i started really watching him and for a guy his size he is pretty light on his feet and can flat out box. I have absolutely no doubt on his best night he gives any heavyweight ever serious problems. HIs biggest issue is he likes to fight and will get stationary and slug which is what got him dropped against Wilder.
 
I think the fight is worth buying. As a GGG fan I think time is against him. I have GGG up in the series 1-0-1, but Canelo played the game and waited until GGG started to age. "Tainted" meat to push back the the 2nd fight then waiting this long for the 3rd really put all the cards in Canelo's hands. GGG needs to box, which his skill never seems to get talked about since he is such a destroyer and with his granite chin puts that skill to the side in order to just break people down. To beat Canelo he will need to be a little more cautious and tighten up the defense.

Sorry, but Fury is definitely highly skilled. He and Usyk are easily the most skilled boxers in HW and it's not even close. Too bad Fury was pushing Usyk for a fight by the end of 2022. Now we will get Fury/Joshua, which should be good I give Fury the edge though fairly easily. Usyk will likely take a fight in early 2023, hearing murmurs of it being against Wilder if he can get by Helenius, which would put a Fury/Usyk showdown well in to mid 2023 if it does happen.

Spence/Crawford is the fight to see. Hopefully they promote it well because even casual fans will be impressed with that. I think Spence is slipping and sounds a bit punch drunk recently with all his accidents and career mileage he may be at the end.
 
I’m currently on my way to Vegas for the fight. I think Canelo will win but I’ll be rooting for GGG. He got screwed in the first fight which should have been a clear GGG victory and the second fight was awesome and he might have edged that out too. But he’s 40. I’m hoping for a Marquez-type performance in the fourth fight against Pacquaio but that’s unlikely.
 
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I think GGG won both of the previous fights. He will a knockout to win this one, as the judges will not be kind to him. I think he is too old now, which is the reason Canelo booked this fight.

If he was real, he would have fought Bivol again. I am not buying this fight. I was going to watch it at Mohegan, but I have to go to a wedding on Saturday.

Save your money for Crawford v Spence, Jr. In November.
 
hoping that Canelo sends GGG to hell and that will be the end of his chapter
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Fury needs to stop avoiding Usyk if he is indeed coming out of “retirement”. Dillian Whyte should’ve never got that last fight either.

Hard to have a heavyweight top of p4p regardless.
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What's the Fury dodging talk? He told Usyk to tape em up in mid December and Usyk doesn't want to fight then. Fury doesn't want to wait around so for now he's moved on to a December fight with AJ while Usyk heals and spends time with his family. Really hope it happens in March or whenever Usyk is ready because I think Fury would dismantle him.
 
aceboon said:
a HW who didn't move up in weight(ala Usyk) at pfp #1 is nuts. Fury's resume isn't even all that good to be up there anyway.
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He's a giant, there's no weight for him to move up to. Penalizing him for that is silly and part of the reason I never take P4P lists all that seriously.
 
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The undercard is pretty weak but we do get to see Jesse ‘Bam’ Rodriguez, the top young talent in the lower weight classes and potential future p4p entrant. He is a wunderkind

I’m a GGG guy but expecting a pretty clear Canelo decision win. You can get fight to go the distance at -150ish; I think thats the play.
 
superjohn said:
What's the Fury dodging talk? He told Usyk to tape em up in mid December and Usyk doesn't want to fight then. Fury doesn't want to wait around so for now he's moved on to a December fight with AJ while Usyk heals and spends time with his family. Really hope it happens in March or whenever Usyk is ready because I think Fury would dismantle him.
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Agreed. Fury is not dodging Usyk and Usyk is not dodging Fury. Usyk just had two huge fights against Joshua (career defining almost as if Usyk needed any more medals to go along with his HOF career) and a literal war at home. Usyk deserves any time off he wants to take.

While I agree it is tough to put HW in P4P lists I think Usyk and Fury are deserving. You can say what you want about Fury's resume but you can only fight who wants to fight and Fury has not ducked anybody in his career. Fought Vlad when Vlad was on top of the world and fought Wilder when many did not want to get in front of that right hand he has (the only thing he has).

If GGG can contain himself and box he can beat Canelo (again, I scored it 7-5 GGG in the first fight and 6-6 in the 2nd). I have never seen GGG want to just box though and he has clearly shown slippage in his past few fights. Should be a good action packed fight and I unfortunately think Canelo takes a decision, a more clear decision than their last fight which I thought was a draw.
 
superjohn said:
He's a giant, there's no weight for him to move up to. Penalizing him for that is silly and part of the reason I never take P4P lists all that seriously.
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the original idea of p4p lists were to evaluate non-HWs on the basis of their skills and resume, for me if I'm putting a HW on there they would have to accomplish something like what Usyk did and be extraordinary skill wise, Fury not fitting that bill but to each his own. Ain't no way in the world am I evaluating Fury and then someone like Inoue and saying yea, Fury should be ahead of him on a p4p list. And again, his resume is not fitting of a p4p guy, not even close.
 
Kenny11 said:
I’m currently on my way to Vegas for the fight. I think Canelo will win but I’ll be rooting for GGG. He got screwed in the first fight which should have been a clear GGG victory and the second fight was awesome and he might have edged that out too. But he’s 40. I’m hoping for a Marquez-type performance in the fourth fight against Pacquaio but that’s unlikely.
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Vegas is packed right now - lots of Canelo fans roaming the streets.
 
superjohn said:
He's a giant, there's no weight for him to move up to. Penalizing him for that is silly and part of the reason I never take P4P lists all that seriously.
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Yeah, I don't talk about P4P because it's practically meaningless.

I think Fury is the best of the HWs right now. I used to think he was ducking, but really he's just a weird, kind of person. People 6'9 and 270lbs are not supposed to move how he does. He's a genetic freak in a layer of fat that confuses people.

Usyk is the most skilled in the weight class though. I can't imagine Usyk wins that fight though... Fury has what, 50lbs and 6 inches on him? In the rest of the boxing world, that would be like fighting someone 6 weight classes above you. That's not how fighting is supposed to work.

If Cruiserweight was more competitive and Usyk didn't move up, or Usyk was a 3 inches taller, he would have been even more dominant. Scary dominant. All-time great potential. My opinion is that many of the heavyweight greats from back in the day (Ali comes to mind) in today's world of nutrition and sports science could have easily cut to cruisereweight. It's just not popular because it's a weird no man's land weight.
 
superjohn said:
What's the Fury dodging talk? He told Usyk to tape em up in mid December and Usyk doesn't want to fight then. Fury doesn't want to wait around so for now he's moved on to a December fight with AJ while Usyk heals and spends time with his family. Really hope it happens in March or whenever Usyk is ready because I think Fury would dismantle him.
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Well he just fought, he has injuries, and hasn’t really had time to rest since March with training and the war.

Why is he constantly calling out the guy Usyk beat back to back? I understand the money, but there’s nothing really on the line. And as I said, that Dillian Whyte fight was super unnecessary.

Fury has just been rubbing me entirely the wrong way. With this retirement, saying he’s coming back, saying he’s not. Just trying to stay in the public eye. He’s also just been an a**hole recently with comments about Usyk, you would think a guy that struggles so much with so many issues would be above petty/childish trash talk.
 
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