Georgetown Post Game Thread

[alphasigko]

Wow... While watching 60 Minutes Greg Gumble just had a Sports Update and summarized the results of 3 college games.... The 3rd update was UConn over Georgetown! IT'S GREAT TO BE RELEVANT AGAIN!

 

[August_West]

It’s not an every game issue thankfully, but I wonder if Hurley would ever consider having Sanogo not hedge in the first 5-6 minutes of the game, just to make sure he doesn’t pick up that first foul before the U16 timeout.

Honestly this may sound crazy, but I like getting Adama off floor early and shifting Whaley to 5 , and having Polley or Hawkins come in. It helps our early offensive flow in my opinion . And then some great substitution rotations can start. I’m just of the opinion that while our starting lineup is very good defensively, we get kinda stuck offensively out of the gate frequently. Everyone knows we are dumping into Adama first 4 minutes of every game. Sometimes it works, sometimes not, but I feel that when we get into rhythm with Whaley at 5, when Adama comes back in teams have a hard time adjusting because we’ve seemed to gain some rhythm.

I’m not a fan of all 5 starters playing first 7-8 minutes because then it seems that we get gaff/Polley/hawkins, with either Whaley or Sanogo , and Martin or Akok . And then that lineup coming in cold has trouble. We’ve been much more effective last 5 games because Hurley has been mixing and matching the starters better with Polley and hawkins, and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that they both have become more effective in that span. So sometimes ( like today) Sanogo’s 2 quick fouls are half a blessing, as it forces the mix and match to start sooner. We were stuck offensively the first 4 minutes today and then Adama got second foul and things started moving.

This isn’t to say Adama isn’t so valuable to this team, he is so valuable, on both ends. I just like our floor balance better when we are not doing hockey line changes, and running good sub patterns .

 

[caw]

We were 19 going in and stayed at 19

Yeah, if there was a drop in placement this weekend for UConn it was because of Gonzaga getting beat.

 

[NYC_HUSKY22]

Yeah, if there was a drop in placement this weekend for UConn it was because of Gonzaga getting beat.

Our adj D went from (and I could be slightly mistaken here) 26 to 35. And then settled back down in the afternoon at 32. And our adj O went from 25 to 20 and settled in the afternoon at 21.

Edit: though our placement in adj efficiency stayed @ 19. Kinda wild how that fluctuates from one game - and especially from those last two minutes.

 

[MexicoHusky]

We held serve. Had to win this game and it wasn't close... as expected. Good to have an easy one I suppose.

No much else to stress or think about

 

[JSB60]

Georgetown needs someone like Amaker. With his background, including the breakfast meetings, he would thrive in the DMV area. It would be hard not to see the top 15 kids wanting to commit and staying committed. Aside from Duke and Stanford, it is the best academic school playing high level basketball. With Coach K gone, I can easily see the cerebral coaching slot opening up there. It has everything it needs for support: local talent, national name recognition, huge tv exposure.

Amaker is a fine recruiter but has underachieved with the talent at Harvard. He gets outcoached by James Jones every year.

 

[ConnEd]

Solid win. The D got complacent in the 2nd half and gave up points a little two easily. Thankfully, the O was humming, and G'town's D is awful. Thankfully, we could afford Adama's foul trouble. Cole is the most indispensable guy for this team.

Any word on Hawkins' or IW's injuries?

 

[auror]

Solid win. The D got complacent in the 2nd half and gave up points a little two easily. Thankfully, the O was humming, and G'town's D is awful. Thankfully, we could afford Adama's foul trouble. Cole is the most indispensable guy for this team.

Any word on Hawkins' or IW's injuries?

Whaley came back in and Hurley said after the game that Hawkins being held out was precautionary (barring further tests tomorrow/Tuesday).

 

[CL82]

The points distribution is really impressive. yeah, yeah, I know it’s just Georgetown, but eight points or greater eight players deep? that makes for a team that is really difficult to stop

 

[Chin Diesel]

Honestly this may sound crazy, but I like getting Adama off floor early and shifting Whaley to 5 , and having Polley or Hawkins come in. It helps our early offensive flow in my opinion . And then some great substitution rotations can start. I’m just of the opinion that while our starting lineup is very good defensively, we get kinda stuck offensively out of the gate frequently. Everyone knows we are dumping into Adama first 4 minutes of every game. Sometimes it works, sometimes not, but I feel that when we get into rhythm with Whaley at 5, when Adama comes back in teams have a hard time adjusting because we’ve seemed to gain some rhythm.

I’m not a fan of all 5 starters playing first 7-8 minutes because then it seems that we get gaff/Polley/hawkins, with either Whaley or Sanogo , and Martin or Akok . And then that lineup coming in cold has trouble. We’ve been much more effective last 5 games because Hurley has been mixing and matching the starters better with Polley and hawkins, and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that they both have become more effective in that span. So sometimes ( like today) Sanogo’s 2 quick fouls are half a blessing, as it forces the mix and match to start sooner. We were stuck offensively the first 4 minutes today and then Adama got second foul and things started moving.

This isn’t to say Adama isn’t so valuable to this team, he is so valuable, on both ends. I just like our floor balance better when we are not doing hockey line changes, and running good sub patterns .

You're hitting the right concept but the details are less important.


Before the halfway point of the first half, I want the opponent to have faced a lineup with both Polley and Hawkins on the floor with Cole and only one big on the floor for at least 3-4 minutes. Defending a Uconn team with Sanogo and Whaley is elementary with a good coach on the opposite side. Doing a Cole, Polley, Hawkins, Jackson/Martin, and Sanogo/Whaley is a stout 4 out, one in offense that most coaches aren't ready to defend against.

 

[Deleted at users request]

Honestly this may sound crazy, but I like getting Adama off floor early and shifting Whaley to 5 , and having Polley or Hawkins come in. It helps our early offensive flow in my opinion . And then some great substitution rotations can start. I’m just of the opinion that while our starting lineup is very good defensively, we get kinda stuck offensively out of the gate frequently. Everyone knows we are dumping into Adama first 4 minutes of every game. Sometimes it works, sometimes not, but I feel that when we get into rhythm with Whaley at 5, when Adama comes back in teams have a hard time adjusting because we’ve seemed to gain some rhythm.

I’m not a fan of all 5 starters playing first 7-8 minutes because then it seems that we get gaff/Polley/hawkins, with either Whaley or Sanogo , and Martin or Akok . And then that lineup coming in cold has trouble. We’ve been much more effective last 5 games because Hurley has been mixing and matching the starters better with Polley and hawkins, and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that they both have become more effective in that span. So sometimes ( like today) Sanogo’s 2 quick fouls are half a blessing, as it forces the mix and match to start sooner. We were stuck offensively the first 4 minutes today and then Adama got second foul and things started moving.

This isn’t to say Adama isn’t so valuable to this team, he is so valuable, on both ends. I just like our floor balance better when we are not doing hockey line changes, and running good sub patterns .

I agree. It’s weird that we may be a better offensive team with Sanogo off the floor. It opens the paint up for guys to drive and cut to the rim. Whaley does a great job passing and has range to extend bigs too. A lot of spacing on the floor and ball movement overall.

Plus defensively we get Whaley the best hedger ever back. Sanogo has to find a way make his teammates better linke Whaley does.

 

[ucp990411]

Not to nitpick too much, but he makes a lot of bad plays that don’t show up on his stat line but should. Like the pass to Sanogo on the break today. That TO was 100% on AJ. No way he is a PG, people need to stop.

Part of being a coach at this level is to prepare players for the next level. AJ will be our point guard next year

 

[JustbrewitMan]

Our adj D went from (and I could be slightly mistaken here) 26 to 35. And then settled back down in the afternoon at 32. And our adj O went from 25 to 20 and settled in the afternoon at 21.

Edit: though our placement in adj efficiency stayed @ 19. Kinda wild how that fluctuates from one game - and especially from those last two minutes.

Which is why KenPom is not the gospel. He and his analytic systems are pretty great, but clearly far from the final word on a team. Because a 2-min stretch in garbage time against a scrub team should not have that much influence over an overall team rating that now spans 28 games and 3200 minutes of game play.

 

[NYC_HUSKY22]

Which is why KenPom is not the gospel. He and his analytic systems are pretty great, but clearly far from the final word on a team. Because a 2-min stretch in garbage time against a scrub team should not have that much influence over an overall team rating that now spans 28 games and 3200 minutes of game play.

I should probably rephrase the last sentence, think it probably had more to giving up a high 2pt fg% for most of the game / second half than the last two minutes.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Honestly this may sound crazy, but I like getting Adama off floor early and shifting Whaley to 5 , and having Polley or Hawkins come in. It helps our early offensive flow in my opinion . And then some great substitution rotations can start. I’m just of the opinion that while our starting lineup is very good defensively, we get kinda stuck offensively out of the gate frequently. Everyone knows we are dumping into Adama first 4 minutes of every game. Sometimes it works, sometimes not, but I feel that when we get into rhythm with Whaley at 5, when Adama comes back in teams have a hard time adjusting because we’ve seemed to gain some rhythm.

I’m not a fan of all 5 starters playing first 7-8 minutes because then it seems that we get gaff/Polley/hawkins, with either Whaley or Sanogo , and Martin or Akok . And then that lineup coming in cold has trouble. We’ve been much more effective last 5 games because Hurley has been mixing and matching the starters better with Polley and hawkins, and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that they both have become more effective in that span. So sometimes ( like today) Sanogo’s 2 quick fouls are half a blessing, as it forces the mix and match to start sooner. We were stuck offensively the first 4 minutes today and then Adama got second foul and things started moving.

This isn’t to say Adama isn’t so valuable to this team, he is so valuable, on both ends. I just like our floor balance better when we are not doing hockey line changes, and running good sub patterns .

Agreed. I also keep saying that Akok is vastly better playing the 4 with Sanogo. So in your rotation he can come in when Sanogo comes in and Whaley sit. He's not a 5.

Hurley definitely leaves the starters in too long rather than rotating one of them out at a time. It leaves us too many lineups that don't work or are overmatched.

 

[Chin Diesel]

I agree. It’s weird that we may be a better offensive team with Sanogo off the floor. It opens the paint up for guys to drive and cut to the rim. Whaley does a great job passing and has range to extend bigs too. A lot of spacing on the floor and ball movement overall.

Plus defensively we get Whaley the best hedger ever back. Sanogo has to find a way make his teammates better linke Whaley does.

I think the team is better on offense with either Sanogo or Whaley on the floor and the other on the bench.

They are different but each is better. Put Sanogo in there with three shooters and one slasher and he has much more room to operate one on one in the post. It's tougher for teams to double him up.

Put Whaley in there and he can play the high post and is a much better passer and cutter than Sanogo. You can almost go five out with Whaley and just have him diving to the basket for catch and shoots or getting offense rebounds.

There's also the possibility that the starting 5 gets in to more of a groove if Whaley can start hitting 1-2 three pointers a game. He's no Ray Allen or Ben G but Whaley is up over 30% and when he has his feet set and is squared up his shot is good enough to keep the defense honest and the lane open.

 

[NotADime89]

I think we're setup to make a deep run in March because of the output our bench has had the last couple games.....
Polley is showing more confidence than I've ever seen out of him
Hawkins is starting to show us why he will be a star
Gaffney has given us solid minutes the last few games (no awful TO's and starting to make some shots)

Lets make a run!!!!

 

[August_West]

View attachment 73835
The points distribution is really impressive. yeah, yeah, I know it’s just Georgetown, but eight points or greater eight players deep? that makes for a team that is really difficult to stop

What should really scare teams is the combined numbers of Jackson and Martin. 18 points 18 rebounds 10 assists. Those are crazy all around game numbers for guys who are our interchangeable 2 and 3's. The rebounding out of that position is really stout and unique.

 

[Umami Zen]

I think the team is better on offense with either Sanogo or Whaley on the floor and the other on the bench.

They are different but each is better. Put Sanogo in there with three shooters and one slasher and he has much more room to operate one on one in the post. It's tougher for teams to double him up.

Put Whaley in there and he can play the high post and is a much better passer and cutter than Sanogo. You can almost go five out with Whaley and just have him diving to the basket for catch and shoots or getting offense rebounds.

There's also the possibility that the starting 5 gets in to more of a groove if Whaley can start hitting 1-2 three pointers a game. He's no Ray Allen or Ben G but Whaley is up over 30% and when he has his feet set and is squared up his shot is good enough to keep the defense honest and the lane open.

One of the benefits of Adama's early foul trouble is for the team to have to learn to be proficient with IW at the 5. I would argue that they're looking pretty good in that scenario.. Even if its not Plan A.. A strong Plan B is a good thing.

 

[Giddyup5]

Agreed. I also keep saying that Akok is vastly better playing the 4 with Sanogo. So in your rotation he can come in when Sanogo comes in and Whaley sit. He's not a 5.

Hurley definitely leaves the starters in too long rather than rotating one of them out at a time. It leaves us too many lineups that don't work or are overmatched.

That may have developed into fruition if Akok didn’t get injured and Polley wasn’t playing well. However, at this point in the year if Whaley is not at the 4 I’d rather have Polley or Martin or Jackson against the majority of teams.

 

[Icehawk]

What a dunk by Hawkins!