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Scotter said:
Having 8 is a luxury, and 9 or more is really too much in a competitive 40 minute game if you want any cohesion on the court.
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The answer to the cohesion issue is to have 10 great players, not just 6 or 7. Then Geno could sub out the whole team, sort of like hockey lines. Two teams of 5 would practice as a unit and be very cohesive. Each 5 would play a half. Fatigue would not be a problem. All the players would be guranteed minutes, thus we would be able to attract more top notch players. Opponents wouldn't be able to devise strategy at the half, not knowing what to expect. And best of all, we'd be able to argue whether Uconn A or Uconn B is the better team!
 
Wonkster said:
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Ask THIS guy about using subs
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Ach! Das mein grossfader's unterzee booten Kaptain. He uppened ze peepintuben und fired zwei schwimmenloudenboomins.
 
Wonkster said:
I ask you now, my fellow Boneyarders - is there another wcbb message board, including those of Duke and Stanford, where you could find a post starting off with the above quotation, even allowing another handle for "Doggy?"

This is one high-class message board!
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"Plato's Allegory of the Cave" - was that the VIP room at Plato's Retreat in th 70's?
 
Here is my prediction (based on current information) of the distribution of minutes by position in 2012-13. Note that I'm NOT mentioning who starts.

Center: Dolson 25; Stokes 15
PF: Stewart 20; Tuck 15; Stokes 5
Wing: Lewis 30; Faris 10
SG: Hartley 30; Doty 10
PG: Faris 20; Jefferson 15; Doty 5

This leads to the following distribution of minutes by player:

Stef 25
Kiah 20
Breanna 20
Morgan 15
KML 30
Kelly 30
Bria 30
Moriah (aka "The Wind") 15
Caroline 15

... and it implies that Heather, Lauren, Brianna, and Michala will not see the floor in competitive games, which will be a small percentage of the schedule. Obviously it represents a 9-person rotation.

Needless to say, we will all (but particularly the coaching staff) have more information by November 15 than we do now. Information about the freshmen's work habits and quick comprehension of the offense and defense will be especially important in influencing decisions about players' minutes.

One last thing: I do not think that the coaches will be comfortable with having 3 freshmen on the floor at the same time while the game remains undecided -- too large a chance for costly mistakes. That probably implies that one freshman will start, precisely to avoid creating that situation at the first timeout. Most likely that means that Stewart will start.

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Wow, I am amazed that so many 'Yarders think Breanna (or MoJef) will start. It's the same every year: we have a great recruiting class, including the second coming of Jen/Dee/Sue/Renee/Tina/Maya...and they WILL START! Last year everyone was singing the praises of KML. She would start. She certainly had her moments, but she also was lost, dazed and confused at times: in other words, a typical frosh. No one is anticipating the arrival of the new class more than me, but let's not put more pressure on the youngsters than is deserved. We will be really, really good next year. I can't wait!
 
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I just wish the season's start were not so far away. I'm flopping around like a fish out of water...must...try....to....move...on...WNBA not too far away...Olympics....need...a... fix...BBALL NOW....ARGH.....
 
I still want to know about Geno's use of subs. Personally, as a Philly guy I would have thought he leaned to hoagies. I know he really loves grinders and spent the whole season looking for a hero and a consistent bomber. One thing for sure he ain't no po' boy or poor boy, he is way too cosmo today. Whether he charters travel for the team a blimpie or zeppelin or simply torpedoes the whole thing, one thing is sure, he will always have an Italian near by. I'm just saying there are a lot of choices when it comes to subs.
 
BrianBoru said:
"Plato's Allegory of the Cave" - was that the VIP room at Plato's Retreat in th 70's?
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Nah, that was the Bat Cave, just down the hall from the Bat' room..
 
John Fryer said:
And sometimes the "the best coach in wcbb" will make a mistake.

As in the final minute in the ND FF game. (Not having Kiah in the game when all we needed was a defensive rebound.
Or in not calling a TO to set-up an end of game play.)

Peace,

John Fryer
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John,
Do you really think , after re-watching that last score that Stokes would have been able to rebound that ball that fell in the hands of
the ND player? If it hits the rim more than it did it, it would have been rebounded by us. It wasn't to be. Coaches sometimes like to shift the blame away from a player that might have missed an assignment. Calling a TO also lets the defense set up.Why does someone have to wrong ?
 
I think that Jefferson will get a lot more than 15 minutes a game. If any player has a chance to start I think it will be she. I'm guessing Jefferson gets about 30 minutes in the Baylor game due to her speed.

If Geno wants to win a NC he will need to have Jefferson and Stewart ready to play MAJOR minutes during the tourney.
 
Mojef will not play near 30 per game as a freshman unless a injury occurs. Her limit will be 20-25. Stewart will play significant minutes against Baylor but again that may mean only 20-25 minutes. Both kids will need time to fit into the UConn defensive structure it is not something that comes quickly nor is the unique offense.It is not high school ball where simply being the most talented kid on the team gets you by. Both UConn offense and defense are extremely team structured.
 
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Icebear said:
Mojef will not play near 30 per game as a freshman unless a injury occurs. Her limit will be 20-25. Stewart will play significant minutes against Baylor but again that may mean only 20-25 minutes. Both kids will need time to fit into the UConn defensive structure it is not something that comes quickly nor is the unique offense.It is not high school ball where simply being the most talented kid on the team gets you by. Both UConn offense and defense are extremely team structured.
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What? This isn't high school ball?

But I disagree. I think that Geno knows that the team that was fielded this year will not improve enough to be able to beat Baylor. If this influx of new talent cannot step it up quickly UCONN will not beat Baylor.
 
easttexastrash said:
What? This isn't high school ball?

But I disagree. I think that Geno knows that the team that was fielded this year will not improve enough to be able to beat Baylor. If this influx of new talent cannot step it up quickly UCONN will not beat Baylor.
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how's this for a prediction, Baylor will lose at least 2 games next year. Taking bets
 
easttexastrash said:
What? This isn't high school ball?

But I disagree. I think that Geno knows that the team that was fielded this year will not improve enough to be able to beat Baylor. If this influx of new talent cannot step it up quickly UCONN will not beat Baylor.
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Not sure what you mean. It's NOT the same team as last year.

I know they lost the lead, but they WERE up 11 in the 2nd half AT Baylor. And the DO bring in the best recruiting class anyone has had in years. Step it up quickly? All they have to do is play to their talents and accept the coaching. It's not rocket science.
 
rtm5 said:
I would have liked to have seen more of Banks. (Cue up the "she has to earn it in practice" responses.)

She's lightning quick with the ball, going to the basket. She's a good defender. I know her shot looked bad but she was always on a short leash. Why not give her meaningful minutes throughout the season and allow her to settle in and develop?
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sometimes it makes me wonder about Geno and his recuriting why he recurits some players and then holds them back because they don't give there all in practice.
take Buck by now she has been told or shown that she is just a defensive player and after a while, years, you start to believe it..
Ilike Geno as a coach especially for his defensive teams which runs you into the ground and you finally say uncle..this gets his offensive team going its not him drawing up plays, because her is just average
 
easttexastrash said:
What? This isn't high school ball?

But I disagree. I think that Geno knows that the team that was fielded this year will not improve enough to be able to beat Baylor. If this influx of new talent cannot step it up quickly UCONN will not beat Baylor.
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You seem to neglect the point that UCONN had Baylor on the ropes AT Baylor last year and lost by 5. Mixing in the new agent under the conditions I suggested can be more than adequate. We match up with Baylor much more than ND did.
 
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Icebear said:
You seem to neglect the point that UCONN had Baylor on the ropes AT Baylor last year and lost by 5. Mixing in the new agent under the conditions I suggested can be more than adequate. We match up with Baylor much more than ND did.
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IMO, that game shouldn't have been that close. Baylor had never beaten UCONN and that was still in their heads. Had Baylor played UCONN in the championship game instead of ND I think that the margin of victory would have been about the same. The Baylor team that played in the NCAA tourney would have dusted the December Baylor's butts. Baylor also beat TAMU by 8 in February and then dropped them by 23 in the next meeting.

BTW, Texas Tech also played Baylor within 5 points, but that certainly didn't make them a better team. Baylor only beat Tennessee by 9 early in the season and absolutely laid the wood to them in the regional championship.

But I agree that with the influx of new talent that UCONN will match up very well next season. I will absolutely NOT be surprised if UCONN beats Baylor in February.
 
meyers7 said:
Agreed, starting Doty and Faris, didn't limit KML' s minutes. She got lots of minutes, especially for a freshman. She avg about 28 per game. Moore avg about 29 per game as a freshman.

If you are good enough, you'll get minutes whether you start or not.
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I think that the way that you start the game and ESPECIALLY the second half is vital, even more so for the second half. I believe the first 5 minutes of the second half to be the incredibly important in setting the tone for the remainder of the game and that your best players should be on the court for the start of the second half.
 
easttexastrash said:
IMO, that game shouldn't have been that close. Baylor had never beaten UCONN and that was still in their heads. Had Baylor played UCONN in the championship game instead of ND I think that the margin of victory would have been about the same. The Baylor team that played in the NCAA tourney would have dusted the December Baylor's butts. Baylor also beat TAMU by 8 in February and then dropped them by 23 in the next meeting.

BTW, Texas Tech also played Baylor within 5 points, but that certainly didn't make them a better team. Baylor only beat Tennessee by 9 early in the season and absolutely laid the wood to them in the regional championship.

But I agree that with the influx of new talent that UCONN will match up very well next season. I will absolutely NOT be surprised if UCONN beats Baylor in February.
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Believe what you want that isn't how the game was played and beating a team once at home doesn't get them out of your head.
 
Icebear said:
Believe what you want that isn't how the game was played and beating a team once at home doesn't get them out of your head.
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That's what makes this so fun...that we all get to believe what we want. And then next year someone will be saying "uh oh."
 
easttexastrash said:
That's what makes this so fun...that we all get to believe what we want. And then next year someone will be saying "uh oh."
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Yeah, especially, when we don't need to believe in Baylor at all.
 
5sidedlarry said:
sometimes it makes me wonder about Geno and his recuriting why he recurits some players and then holds them back because they don't give there all in practice.
take Buck by now she has been told or shown that she is just a defensive player and after a while, years, you start to believe it..
Ilike Geno as a coach especially for his defensive teams which runs you into the ground and you finally say uncle..this gets his offensive team going its not him drawing up plays, because her is just average
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Do you honestly believe that the coach is holding Buck back because of her practice habits ? Could it be that She is not of a talent level
that allows him to play her in critical situations ?You cannot have 12 all-americans on a team
 
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easttexastrash said:
What? This isn't high school ball?

But I disagree. I think that Geno knows that the team that was fielded this year will not improve enough to be able to beat Baylor. If this influx of new talent cannot step it up quickly UCONN will not beat Baylor.
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My perceptions (whether reasonable or not...) tell me that:
  • As you state, that the players that carry over from this years UCONN team to next years team will not improve enough to knock off a very talented Baylor team in the NCAA tourney (Baylor, as demonstrated, is pretty darn good right now and those players will improve, and the team will add commits)
  • Again as you state, the imperative for UCONN winning a NC in 2013 resides with our very substantial commits that join the team this summer and bring unique talents that can match up against Baylor - quickness, height, intensity.
  • Those commits, whether based on their individual talents or practice diligence, but equally likely a different development approach than used for Kiah/BB, need to all move up the learning curve more rapidly than KML/Kiah/BB did this year IF UCONN is to prevail over Baylor in the NCAA tourney.
  • The above logic seems like a "duh" statement to me (my apologies), but how the heck Geno and crew accomplishes those needs will unfold this coming fall.
  • My guess, and it's only a guess since like all BYers I am standing WAY outside the coaching circle, is that he will have to give our 3 new players more game minutes than Kiah/BB got this season AND those minutes will have to be meaningful teaching minutes.
  • Your term "Quickly" is kind of a relative term, but for me it has to translate into sustained development in games starting right at the beginning of the season - meaning (1) minutes (15-20?), (2) no short leash, or prolonged pine time to think things over, or loyalty to seniors over-riding this imperative to develop the 3.
I'm really looking forward to seeing what happens - gosh, and it's only early April...
 
Like the national political scene, if we rehash this subject until next November, its going to get very tiresome.
 
phil sampieri said:
Do you honestly believe that the coach is holding Buck back because of her practice habits ? Could it be that She is not of a talent level
that allows him to play her in critical situations ?You cannot have 12 all-americans on a team
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i see your point and i do agree with part of it,heather does not have the talent of other players.you will never know what she really has unless you let her play more and give her some confindence..let her start some times ,is it really important who starts,but really who finishes..
as far as the prac tices go i have seen Geno bench a startring player a whole game because she had a rotten practice. you are right about the all americans.to Geno practices are the game its self
 
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