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OneTrickPony said:
As I recall, Breanna was at an award ceremony in which she was the award recipient. Muffet McGraw was there with several of her players that were also potentially being honored. She shepherded them into the front row of the ceremony along with her assistant coaches, and when Breanna went to the podium to receive the award, the Notre Dame contingent refused to applaud and engaged in a silent stare-down in an apparent attempt to unnerve and intimidate Breanna. There is a long thread here on the event. It was extremely distasteful, and it left me at least doing a slow boil. When the NC game rolled around, the UCONN team pounded the Irish with a breathtaking ferocity that allowed me to unclench from Muffet's antics and poor sportsmanship. My surmise is that members of the team may have felt the same way even though they are too self-controlled to vent their feelings in public, and threw themselves passionately into the best possible response.
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Natalie Achonwa, who was injured for the FF, did clap. I thought that was classy, especially when it went against the grain of her teammates & coaches. I will always root for her.

To be fair, there were subsequent reports that the ND players and coaches already knew who won the award, and had already had the opportunity to congratulate Stewie in advance. I still think it was rude to snub Stewie that way in the ceremony, but the rest of WBB sees it as no big deal (or doesn't care, or isn't aware).
 
j66kicker said:
Natalie Achonwa, who was injured for the FF, did clap. I thought that was classy, especially when it went against the grain of her teammates & coaches. I will always root for her.

To be fair, there were subsequent reports that the ND players and coaches already knew who won the award, and had already had the opportunity to congratulate Stewie in advance. I still think it was rude to snub Stewie that way in the ceremony, but the rest of WBB sees it as no big deal (or doesn't care, or isn't aware).
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Was it Achonwa...I thought it was Niele Ivy...maybe it was both that clapped. I like Achonwa, regardless, and wish her the best at the next level.

The whole affair was a sophomoric attempt at mind games, very common among athletes at the high school level, but noteworthy primarily because of the head coach's participation. If Muffet's purpose was to intimidate Breanna, it certainly backfired...I've never seen her or her teammates more intensely focused for a whole game.
 
Niele Ivey definitely clapped. Whitney Holloway clapped. Michaela Mabrey clapped. Most of the players hands are obscured so you can't tell.

The footage is still on Jim Fuller's tout page. http://www.tout.com/m/bpjy08?ref=twf5xc8a

Muffet didn't clap? Sure. "Notre Dame contingent refused to applaud and engaged in a silent stare-down." That's a bit of an embellishment and unfair to those who did show respect with their applause.
 
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Orangutan said:
Niele Ivey definitely clapped. Whitney Holloway clapped. Michaela Mabrey clapped. Most of the players hands are obscured so you can't tell.

The footage is still on Jim Fuller's tout page. http://www.tout.com/m/bpjy08?ref=twf5xc8a

Muffet didn't clap? Sure. "Notre Dame contingent refused to applaud and engaged in a silent stare-down." That's a bit of an embellishment and unfair to those who did show respect with their applause.
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aw this when first posted but now seeing again has completely caused me to lose all respect for a coach I once admired.
 
Orangutan said:
Niele Ivey definitely clapped. Whitney Holloway clapped. Michaela Mabrey clapped. Most of the players hands are obscured so you can't tell.

The footage is still on Jim Fuller's tout page. http://www.tout.com/m/bpjy08?ref=twf5xc8a

Muffet didn't clap? Sure. "Notre Dame contingent refused to applaud and engaged in a silent stare-down." That's a bit of an embellishment and unfair to those who did show respect with their applause.
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Sorry, the footage you showed displays Muffet and most of the team doing exactly what I suggested...spin it how you will...
 
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OneTrickPony said:
Sorry, the footage you showed displays Muffet and most of the team doing exactly what I suggested...spin it how you will...
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I guess our eyes are seeing different things. I don't see a whole team "refusing to applaud"
 
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Orangutan said:
I guess our eyes are seeing different things. I don't see a whole team "refusing to applaud"
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We are clearly seeing different things, and there were some accounts from those in the room as I recall which may account for some of the disparity in our perspective. However, you just cannot explain a high profile head coach from a conference school failing to applaud the award. That, my friend, is simply poor sportsmanship...
 
OneTrickPony said:
We are clearly seeing different things, and there were some accounts from those in the room as I recall which may account for some of the disparity in our perspective. However, you just cannot explain a high profile head coach from a conference school failing to applaud the award. That, my friend, is simply poor sportsmanship...
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It was definitely poor sportsmanship by Coach McGraw and by Beth Cunningham, who you can also see not clapping. I can't dispute that.
 
Per Jim Fuller, Geno with a parting shot....

"It is like getting called into the prinicpal's office and going 'look, don't do that again or I am going to call your mother' because they know it is the dumbest thing ever and it is so laughable it makes everything look silly," Auriemma said. "There are 357 Division I schools or something like that and one person has a problem with me calling that kid. If there was a problem and it was really bad there would have been 300 schools who would have turned me in so it was just one person with a bug up their butt. What are you going to do? That is the world we live in."

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If some jealous bitter coach wants to report it, fine, but why does the NCAA have to penalize UConn for it? If I were UConn I would appeal it just on principle. This time an application of a rule was based on one person's idea that Davis had some special status. Next time such a subjective determination of a rules violation might not result in minor penalties. UConn is now considered a repeat offender of recruiting rules.
 
HoopsFan21 said:
If some jealous bitter coach wants to report it, fine, but why does the NCAA have to penalize UConn for it? If I were UConn I would appeal it just on principle. This time an application of a rule was based on one person's idea that Davis had some special status. Next time such a subjective determination of a rules violation might not result in minor penalties. UConn is now considered a repeat offender of recruiting rules.
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If the NCAA actually called a violation of NCAA rules--then this calls for a class action and defamation of character, slander suit against the NCAA by Uconn--and the person responsible for the complaint MUST be identified, no more ghestopo hiding in the dark --if you have a complaint state if with your name attached for the world to know. In this the NCAA is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.
 
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HoopsFan21 said:
If some jealous bitter coach wants to report it, fine, but why does the NCAA have to penalize UConn for it? If I were UConn I would appeal it just on principle. This time an application of a rule was based on one person's idea that Davis had some special status. Next time such a subjective determination of a rules violation might not result in minor penalties. UConn is now considered a repeat offender of recruiting rules.
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While I like the spirit of your thought, the reality of the world says to let it go. UConn is not penalized in this situation other than some sort of reprimand. UConn will not win an appeal because the NCAA will not say they were wrong. All an appeal would do is make the NCAA more apt to pick on UConn with greater vitriol the next time. We won in the court of common sense and public opinion. Let's feel free to itchbay as much as we want to among ourselves and on ESPN.com etc, but UConn should just let it go. There's nothing to gain.
 
genosguy said:
If the NCAA actually called a violation of NCAA rules--then this calls for a class action and defamation of character, slander suit against the NCAA by Uconn--and the person responsible for the complaint MUST be identified, no more ghestopo hiding in the dark --if you have a complaint state if with your name attached for the world to know. In this the NCAA is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.
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The whole thing is B.S. Mo'ne was determined to be a celebrity of some sort I guess so a rule which was written to protect prospective student athletes suddenly now applies to anyone that some random clerk in the NCAA deemed to be of an elevated status above regular 12 year olds. Just typing that seems pretty ridiculous, but it is what it is. How do we know if eventually UConn breaks some other rule that is partly subjective and has to pay the price of real penalties/sanctions? Maybe one day the NCAA decides to hammer UConn for "repeated" recruiting violations. Who knows. That's exactly the problem: no one knows what the NCAA will do next. My concern is right now the NCAA is cop, judge, jury, and executioner, and it seems unless you're a P5 team the NCAA can do what they want and you just have to take it with no recourse. Like I said way at the beginning of this thread, this stinks of quid pro quo stemming from Shabazz speaking out against the NCAA after the championship on the grandest stage of all - no real penalty but an opportunity to ding the school nonetheless.
 
Orangutan said:
It was definitely poor sportsmanship by Coach McGraw and by Beth Cunningham, who you can also see not clapping. I can't dispute that.
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It's water under the bridge now...I'm sure she regrets it, and the NC game settled all scores the only way that counts...on the floor playing the game. I have great respect for Muffet as a coach, and her team is fun to watch. Here's hoping she adopts some better motivational strategies this year...
 
The Coach of the Year would not applaud for the Player of the Year. When Muffet said the game had lost class at the top she was right if she meant herself. PS would never have done that. It was a year of snide remarks for Muffet and her attack on Geno and her dissing of Stewie were the final acts of classlessness. Loved the Championship beat down. I'll forgive, but not forget.
 
RoyDodger said:
And another very good article by Dan Wetzel on the subject.

Best lines:

"This is the rabbit hole of sub-bylaws all bureaucracies want to go down, while tsk-tsk'ing that rules are rules. In this case, it was Bylaw 13.1.3.1.

The NCAA doesn't just have too many rules; it has too many people obsessed with those rules who, in turn, keep writing more rules. It has too many coaches and administrators who see everything as a recruiting advantage that needs to be curbed or eliminated. It has too many compliance folks who think nothing is just a nice gesture."
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After a while, the fun just goes out of stuff. Our town sponsors an annual parade. Floats from a variety of entities, including the local schools, are entered. Students used to ride on the floats. Now, all they can do is walk along side. Had a problem been identified that was fixed by prohibiting float riding? Nope, just wet blankets being wet blankets.
 
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SEC but not Tennessee, hard to pick a likely candidate...recruiting competition from Kentucky, South Carolina and TA&M...the latter two seem unlikely for a variety of reasons...Kentucky worried about Erin Boley...LSU worried about Kalani Brown...?
 
A refusal to comment is not uncommon and is certainly not a admission. There was a report Dawn gave a shout out to Davis on some media platform (another Philly alum) and is working with Geno so seems unlikely and Gary ... doubt it. I would think B1G of one of the mid majors is more likely to 'protect' their perceived recruiting territory than SEC or Pac, but who knows.
 
Uh..The fact that some un-named "source" in the UT athletic department sys that Tennessee did not do it, is NOT conclusive proof that Tennessee did not, in fact, do it, or "cause it to be done". Jes sayin.
 
elzorrogris said:
Uh..The fact that some un-named "source" in the UT athletic department sys that Tennessee did not do it, is NOT conclusive proof that Tennessee did not, in fact, do it, or "cause it to be done". Jes sayin.
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The cause it to be done language is the key. The unnamed source said that the university didn't make the complaint. They did not say that the university did not ask the SEC to file complaint. That was what they did the last time.
 
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