Geno On Caitlin Clark

[triaddukefan]

Clark is currently the 78th best shooter in the W by FG% and ranks 61st in 3 pt shooting %. She shoots a ton of shots to get to her record setting rookie numbers. Leads the league in turnovers.

I am not trying to be a hater here. I admire her passing ability and vision. I like the way she drives and handles the ball in the paint and she has a very good mid-range game that she doesn't use enough. She's going to be a really good player in the W and will get better with time and reps.

Her shot selection needs improvement.
She could raise her unimpressive shooting % just by taking better shots. The only people who want to see her jack up pressured logo shots are the CC cultists and her opponents.

You're not trying very hard

 

[Alydar]

Love me or hate me. Just don't ignore me. That's a common road for celebrities to travel. The media is milking this. A few hundred Instagram posters is not "everybody".

I like to watch her play. Her drama act is between her and the other players. I hardly watch the W, have no favorite team and I don't hate any teams.

And all Clark cares about is that they spell her name right on the checks.

 

[superjohn]

She's right there with AT this year for top 5 and a strong contender for 1st Team All-WNBA. Maybe not 3rd or 4th like Geno states she was listed for betting odds, but just a hair below and trending upward. Hardly worthy of fans being titled "unknowledgeable and stupid" by Geno.



Other notable quotes: "this kid's on the wrong team, she's got the wrong skill set to handle the physicality of that league and she's a rookie."

"She's just not built for the physicality of this league and she's not quick enough to get away from the physicality, so there's a lot of learning curve like Diana said"

"She needs to be on a better team and be more experienced"


Since this commentary from Geno, she's averaged 19.1 points, 9.6 assists, 6.2 rebounds, and 1.5 steals on 44.6/34.7/89.3 shooting splits with a 1.7 A/TO ratio and her team has gone 11-6. They have a good shot to finish #6 in the league this year after missing the playoffs the past 7 seasons. In terms of quickness, she consistently beats defenders off the dribble while drawing the best opposing guard and is 12th in the league in FTA/game. I'd say she's handling the physicality just fine. And if people want to double down on Taurasi being right, that's fine, but it was short lived adjustment period that didn't last even 3 full weeks. Since then Clark has proven herself to be among the very best players in the league.


Another zinger: "This rookie class isn't even one of the best rookie classes in the last 10 years"
Looking at the standouts, we have:
-Clark is having an All-WNBA caliber season and leads the league in assists
-Angel Reese is leading the league in rebounds and is on pace to shatter the single season record in rebounds per game and total. She also set the record for most consecutive double doubles in a season.
-Rickea Jackson is putting up great numbers averaging 11.9 ppg her first season
-Kamilla Cardoso is averaging 9.1 points and 7.7 rebounds her rookie season
-Aaliyah Edwards is averaging 8.2 points and 5.7 rebounds
-Cameron Brink was among lead leaders in blocks and having a good rookie season prior to her ACL

6 starters and a number of records being set/broken. No other rookie class compares from the past 10 years in terms of productivity their first year.

Bad look by Geno and so many others when it comes to Caitlin Clark. Sheryl Swoopes destroyed her own reputation by being so triggered by Clark. The whole thing is bizarre, everyone in women's basketball should be kissing Caitlin Clark's rear.

 

[GamecockFam]

Bad look by Geno and so many others when it comes to Caitlin Clark. Sheryl Swoopes destroyed her own reputation by being so triggered by Clark. The whole thing is bizarre, everyone in women's basketball should be kissing Caitlin Clark's rear.

Eh, I think the notion that fans think all players should be kissing Caitlin's rear is what triggered people like Swoopes. They can be thankful, but expecting the players to treat her like royalty is a step too far IMO.

 

[bballnut90]

Eh, I think the notion that fans think all players should be kissing Caitlin's rear is what triggered people like Swoopes. They can be thankful, but expecting the players to treat her like royalty is a step too far IMO.

Agreed. Players can choose to treat her like royalty or not, but I think it’s a bad look by those being bitter or spiteful for effectively no reason (ex Swoopes, Chennedy Carter, Dijonai Carrington).

 

[superjohn]

Eh, I think the notion that fans think all players should be kissing Caitlin's rear is what triggered people like Swoopes. They can be thankful, but expecting the players to treat her like royalty is a step too far IMO.

I didn't really mean public ball washing but they should appreciate all the nice things women's basketball all of a sudden has now and why they have it. Instead we've seen this bizarre jealousy play out.

Sheryl Swoopes has shown herself to be a very small person.

 

[Stagnant]

Geno can get things wrong just like anyone else. In June, these comments looked pretty good. Now they obviously don't look so good. And content creators on youtube dragged Geno as a result. It is what it is.

I would like to get some truth serum into Geno and ask him a few questions about Caitlin Clark; including about her recruitment. But I doubt I will ever get the answers to those questions.

 

[TheFarmFan]

For a lot of reasons, I think this thread has outlived its useful life. Clark will likely be a top 5 MVP vote getter, rookie of the year, and future all-star. There were reasonable grounds to doubt that would happen, or happen so soon, and those who took the under appear to have lost a lot of money (and credibility).

Let's focus on how much great basketball is ahead of us in the next few weeks, instead of on a few isolated comments made off the cuff months ago.

 

[The deacon]

For a lot of reasons, I think this thread has outlived its useful life. Clark will likely be a top 5 MVP vote getter, rookie of the year, and future all-star. There were reasonable grounds to doubt that would happen, or happen so soon, and those who took the under appear to have lost a lot of money (and credibility).

Let's focus on how much great basketball is ahead of us in the next few weeks, instead of on a few isolated comments made off the cuff months ago.

I'm with you about this thread, TheFarmFan, and also looking forward to the basketball to come. However, to pass off DT's 'grown women' stance and so many others as 'a few isolated comments' is not close to the reality of what we experienced from April through the past few weeks.

Social media raged against Caitlin's chances of success this season, 'experts' in the media hopped on board and plenty of folks here on the BY eagerly echoed them.

Oh, well, while not forgetting all that, I'll join you in looking forward to some great b-ball to come! (Sure wish Cameron Brink had been a part of all this).

 

[cancontent]

I'm with you about this thread, TheFarmFan, and also looking forward to the basketball to come. However, to pass off DT's 'grown women' stance and so many others as 'a few isolated comments' is not close to the reality of what we experienced from April through the past few weeks.

Social media raged against Caitlin's chances of success this season, 'experts' in the media hopped on board and plenty of folks here on the BY eagerly echoed them.

Oh, well, while not forgetting all that, I'll join you in looking forward to some great b-ball to come! (Sure wish Cameron Brink had been a part of all this).

And social media has raged against anything that has been perceived as negative towards Clark as hate. People can't make a statement about anything in the WNBA without her fans chiming in and adding her to the conversation even when it didn't apply to her. There's been a lot of bad behaviour on both sides. To only note one part of it isn't a fair representation of the situation.

 

[The deacon]

And social media has raged against anything that has been perceived as negative towards Clark as hate. People can't make a statement about anything in the WNBA without her fans chiming in and adding her to the conversation even when it didn't apply to her. There's been a lot of bad behaviour on both sides. To only note one part of it isn't a fair representation of the situation.

I was simply addressing the aspect that had been presented in the previous post, cancontent. I thought that was pretty clear... Caitlin was not added by me to this conversation. It was very much about her.

Of course, social media has raged on both 'sides.' That's been obvious.

 

[cancontent]

I was simply addressing the aspect that had been presented in the previous post, cancontent. I thought that was pretty clear... Caitlin was not added by me to this conversation. It was very much about her.

Of course, social media has raged on both 'sides.' That's been obvious.

Fans have been echoing both sides of the talking points but your focus seems to have been for those who think Clark is being targeted unfairly. If both sides haven't helped with the discourse, shouldn't both sides be called out instead of just one?

 

[Aluminny69]

When DT told SVP that "Reality is Coming" for Clark, she should have been self reflexive. This could easily be DTs Final Season.

 

[superjohn]

And social media has raged against anything that has been perceived as negative towards Clark as hate. People can't make a statement about anything in the WNBA without her fans chiming in and adding her to the conversation even when it didn't apply to her. There's been a lot of bad behaviour on both sides. To only note one part of it isn't a fair representation of the situation.

I wouldn't compare social media comments to legends of the sport hating on Clark for no reason.

 

[cancontent]

I wouldn't compare social media comments to legends of the sport hating on Clark for no reason.

Social media comments have been directed to media and some legends when they've decided to compliment Reese, Jackson, etc. Did Lisa Leslie deserve to get chirped at because she complimented Reese on her rebounding prowess? She hasn't shown a preference for either player but one post gets perceived that way. Did Monica McNutt deserve it when she made a valid point about the ROY should go to the rookie who leads their team to the play-offs? It is a fair way to compare performances and is used for MVP a lot of the time.

It's happening way too often nowadays and it doesn't need to. Clark succeeds and breaks records, great. Reese succeeds and breaks records, also great. Media and legends post to compliment one or both athletes, also great but don't read more into it than necessary. We're falling for a media manufactured gong show when it's not necessary.

 

[GirlBoo1020]

I wouldn't compare social media comments to legends of the sport hating on Clark for no reason.

Its not just social media comments. Its ESPN TV personalities, NBA players and legends current and former, etc. To act like Caitlin Clark doesn't have by far the biggest fan base and amount of support in the WNBA that ruthlessly attacks anyone perceived to have slighted her is just disingenuous and to continue to position her as some victim because people had critiques of her game earlier in the WNBA season is insincere.

The things that have been said about Diamond DeShields, Chennedy Carter (who is in a hospital bed with Covid right now yet still getting told she should be punched in the face by Nancy Lieberman who last time i checked, was a legend of the sport), and Dijonai Carrington far exceed any comments about Clark that have largely remained basketball focused and not disparaged her as a person or wished ill will or violence upon her.

I am very tired of this discourse and its one of the reason I am only able to watch one or two W games a week at this point because Caitlin Clark fans act like what DT said is as offensive as what Nancy Lieberman just said about Carter and its gross.

 

[superjohn]

Social media comments have been directed to media and some legends when they've decided to compliment Reese, Jackson, etc. Did Lisa Leslie deserve to get chirped at because she complimented Reese on her rebounding prowess? She hasn't shown a preference for either player but one post gets perceived that way. Did Monica McNutt deserve it when she made a valid point about the ROY should go to the rookie who leads their team to the play-offs? It is a fair way to compare performances and is used for MVP a lot of the time.

It's happening way too often nowadays and it doesn't need to. Clark succeeds and breaks records, great. Reese succeeds and breaks records, also great. Media and legends post to compliment one or both athletes, also great but don't read more into it than necessary. We're falling for a media manufactured gong show when it's not necessary.

Again, I would never compare social media comments to legends of the sport hating on and lying about Clark for no reason.

 

[aceboon]

wasn't even just the Clark comments, Geno saying this rookie class isn't all that great is just foolish. I don't know what it is about Clark that breaks people's brains but it remarkable to see it play out in public.

 

[superjohn]

Its not just social media comments. Its ESPN TV personalities, NBA players and legends current and former, etc. To act like Caitlin Clark doesn't have by far the biggest fan base and amount of support in the WNBA that ruthlessly attacks anyone perceived to have slighted her is just disingenuous and to continue to position her as some victim because people had critiques of her game earlier in the WNBA season is insincere.

The things that have been said about Diamond DeShields, Chennedy Carter (who is in a hospital bed with Covid right now yet still getting told she should be punched in the face by Nancy Lieberman who last time i checked, was a legend of the sport), and Dijonai Carrington far exceed any comments about Clark that have largely remained basketball focused and not disparaged her as a person or wished ill will or violence upon her.

I am very tired of this discourse and its one of the reason I am only able to watch one or two W games a week at this point because Caitlin Clark fans act like what DT said is as offensive as what Nancy Lieberman just said about Carter and its gross.

Of course Caitlin Clark has by far the biggest fanbase. Hardly anyone watched Women's college basketball and the WNBA until she came around, it's why I find it so strange legends of the game hate on her and lie about her. When someone completely transforms a sport from a struggling money loser into a popular cash cow I would expect legends of that sport to be singing their praises.

I'll let you in on a little secret. Magic and Bird didn't hate on and lie about Jordan. They embraced him and promoted him every chance they got. They knew what he was doing for basketball and the NBA and the NBA was already popular before Jordan came along, unlike the WNBA before Clark came along.

Carter took a cheapshot on Clark, of course the response from many will be you respond in kind with one of your own. When Markieff Morris took a cheapshot on Jokic he got laid out for it and NBA legends applauded him for it. That's what you do. Someone takes a cheapshot on you and you should expect retaliation, that's how it's always been. I have no idea what her having Covid had to do with any of this.

 

[cancontent]

Of course Caitlin Clark has by far the biggest fanbase. Hardly anyone watched Women's college basketball and the WNBA until she came around, it's why I find it so strange legends of the game hate on her and lie about her. When someone completely transforms a sport from a struggling money loser into a popular cash cow I would expect legends of that sport to be singing their praises.

I'll let you in on a little secret. Magic and Bird didn't hate on and lie about Jordan. They embraced him and promoted him every chance they got. They knew what he was doing for basketball and the NBA and the NBA was already popular before Jordan came along, unlike the WNBA before Clark came along.

Carter took a cheapshot on Clark, of course the response from many will be you respond in kind with one of your own. When Markieff Morris took a cheapshot on Jokic he got laid out for it and NBA legends applauded him for it. That's what you do. Someone takes a cheapshot on you and you should expect retaliation, that's how it's always been. I have no idea what her having Covid had to do with any of this.

Another talking point that isn't accurate.

A couple quotes from Chine Ogumike's article from May 2024:

"In 2019, the W made around $102 million in overall revenue. Since then, revenue overall has more than doubled per year and the upcoming media rights deal will bring in a record amount of dollars."

"League executives once stated that the WNBA loses $10 million annually, and we are grateful for all that their leadership has done to fill in the gaps. But people have to realize that statement was made around 2018, when the W was reported to have $60 million in revenue. In 2023? We were estimated to have made around $200 million in revenue. If I told you that you had a business that experienced a $140-million jump in revenue over five years … and now, on its own, was valued at over $1 billion? You would be jumping for joy."

Allow Us to Reintroduce Ourselves | By Chiney Ogwumike

From being the target of jokes, to putting up juggernaut numbers. Women’s basketball is shining.

www.theplayerstribune.com

The narrative that everything changed as soon as Clark joined the league isn't close to the truth. Yes, she's had impact on accelerating some things, but to think nothing happened prior to her even playing college basketball is laughable.

 

[cancontent]

Again, I would never compare social media comments to legends of the sport hating on and lying about Clark for no reason.

Which of the examples given were hating on Clark?

 

[temery]

Locked. A three month old thread that's gotten less worth reading with every bump.