Geno is the GOAT but I don't get it
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Right like what match ups? She is 6'2" and scores inside / out, rebounds, defends and has steals. How does she not fit in? For 10 mins at least.
I have now read 58 posts in this thread and unless I have missed it no one has mentioned what I believe is the main reason that CD isn't playing more. She has totally lost her outstanding 3 pt shot. I don't know why, but she has. And she is a Freshman not named Azzi Fudd. She will be a big part of the team next year if, and that's a big IF, she regains her outside shot. She is a really good player on a team fighting for a NC and that team has 5-6 outstanding players, all of whom (except ) have experience playing in the NCAA tournament. If the remaining games produce an opportunity and need for her, she will get her time, but at this moment none of the BY posters have a clue on when and how long she should be used in Minneapolis.
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How many threes has she taken in the last few games? One game early in the season she missed eight shots, but also made eight shots. She averaged over eight shots a game. Now, she gets maybe three shots and has to hit all three. Put that same thing on any other player on the team and see how well they do. Geno has his reasons for not putting her out there but some of you need to stop making up excuses for why she should not be.
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Yes, her shot is off. But it was very much on at one point. That was the real Caroline. It is up to the coaches to help her through this. The real Caroline would be HUGE if we could and did play her.
It's the Final Four. There's not exactly time to "help her through this" by giving her extra PT, unless that extra PT will definitely help the team win.
29% 3PT shooter this year.
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I like American Muscle - bought first year C6 and C7 Vettes. Would have loved to get a C8 but decided the money should be used elsewhere.
Now back to this totally (fill in your choice) thread.
Its a forum and every coach in every sport is not perfect. Is Pete Caroll a great coach but decided to pass on one yard line in SB and not give the ball to the beast. Even an undefeated Pats team lost SB to Giants, anything they could have done differently? Can we discuss as fans? Or since every coach in every sport is more qualified than any of us we shouldnt wonder, ask and discuss why they make the decisons they are making?
We all know, and i think trust, Geno's ability to win a chip. I guess many folks really admire CD and know we would not have a #2 seed or have played in Bridgeport if not for a fearless freshman that stepped up as much as an starter when PB and Azzi were out.
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You are correct, none of us have mentioned it. I don't know why others haven't, but will tell you my reason. It's because her overall game transcends it. She hasn't had a 3pt shot she could truly count on the entire season. Several of us through the season have speculated as to the reason for this, but no one including the coaching staff has been able to correct the problem. So none of us, including you, have a clue on how many minutes she will get (if any) during the Stanford game. We can only hope for the best. Caroline has shown us many different skills and talents not normally accredited to a freshman that we believe should be utilized more than they have been lately. Does that make any of us better at making these decisions than Geno? Of course not!
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Agree on all points, but the Final Four is not the time for the coaches to help a struggling player find herself. It's win-or-go-home time, no margin for error, so you go with the safest and most productive lineup for as long as you can. This means Paige-Azzi-CW-ONO-AE play as close to 40 minutes apiece as foul trouble allows. Nika will get her 6-8 minutes, Evina probably pick up some Dorka minutes if Geno can go with only 1 big, and Caroline is the most likely "next man up" if (when) ONO and/or AE get into foul trouble.
Caroline will be a starter next year, and she has 30 regular season games to "find her shot" then.
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lol. Sounds like you've been reading "Animal Farm" lately,,,
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Christyn is 5 of 23 from three for the four tournament games. Not everyone is at her best at all times from the arc.
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Of course people have opinions. Critiquing decisions in games arguably the greatest coach in history makes in victories is kinda funny.
She isn't shooting as well from deep, but she certainly can. Don't know if she is rushing it, or if it's confidence, or just a slump that she needs to play through. Shooters need to shoot, so I would still play her. Besides, she isn't only an outside shooter- she has a much more diverse game. She likes to go inside on mismatches and post-up against guards who usually are much smaller.
Most people would agree that Christyn isn't as good an outside shooter as Paige or Azzi, and Christyn has had games and stretches where the outside shot has been shaky. But, she has other qualities such as driving to the basket and playing tough D, that make most fans want her to play a lot. They aren't saying she should only play limited minutes because her outside shot is missing at times. Why then make the same argument for Caroline?
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IMHO with Dorka hurt and out for the rest of the Final 4, UCONN needs a replacement, why not Caroline Ducharme?
She is 6'2" and plays pretty good defense and has shown this season she can dominate offensively!
It would be the perfect spot for her! And the main scorers, Paige, Azzi, and Christyn get their majority of players minutes!
I love Nika's style both offensively as well as defensively but the problem is as good as Nika can be she is not a high point scorer!
The Final 4 begs for the biggest offensive scorers being on the court the majority of the time, so Nika sits! EW has problems scoring also but Mama E brings something intangible to the mix.
If Dorka was healthy Caroline Ducharme's time would be limited but that's all changed.
If Geno went to Caroline Ducharme and said we need the middle of the season Caroline Ducharme, Carolyn would rise to the occasion, and shine brightly, she's done it before! She loves a challenge, here's a huge one!
She is 6'2" and plays pretty good defense and has shown this season she can dominate offensively!
It would be the perfect spot for her! And the main scorers, Paige, Azzi, and Christyn get their majority of players minutes!
I love Nika's style both offensively as well as defensively but the problem is as good as Nika can be she is not a high point scorer!
The Final 4 begs for the biggest offensive scorers being on the court the majority of the time, so Nika sits! EW has problems scoring also but Mama E brings something intangible to the mix.
If Dorka was healthy Caroline Ducharme's time would be limited but that's all changed.
If Geno went to Caroline Ducharme and said we need the middle of the season Caroline Ducharme, Carolyn would rise to the occasion, and shine brightly, she's done it before! She loves a challenge, here's a huge one!
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No it's not perplexing. It's perplexing how there is this thought that just because some of you like CD that Geno should be obligated to play her. There's an assumption just because you play her more minutes then the team will automatically win anyway. For example, NC State played Jada Boyd off the bench for quite a few minutes leading up to the end of regulation and she was -4 in the plus / minus category. Maybe if the coach played his starters more then they win in regulation. So we blame the winner for not playing the player we want to see and ignore possibly the team that is playing more of the bench that lost and is going home?
As far as watching Paige. Well when we watch Paige like this we go to Final Fours and beat number 3 ranked NC State type teams and last year we beat South Carolina and Baylor. That's bad? Are you suggesting that the team was better when it was led by CD? If not, then why are you complaining about ball movement when UCONN wins? And how could there be lack of ball movement when Azzi and CWill score as much as they did.
And in terms of "if Paige didn't hit her shots. . . " What is the relevance of that? If all those losses in Overtime UCONN had in the past - maybe UCONN has 3-5 more titles using the point you are making about Paige.
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Maybe what coco is trying to tell you is that you are never going to get it if you think it's Geno's job to make everyone better especially in the NCAA Tourney? His job is to win. As a fan you have favorite players and styles of play and can focus too much on those players and styles. As a result in this case you seemed to have glossed over other players. You didn't mention how Paige has gotten better with extra minutes, how Azzi has gotten better. How AE has gotten better. How CWill has gotten better. How Evina has played so well off the bench overall. How overall this year Liv has gotten better from her prior 3 years. UCONN just beat the number 3 team in the country. Some of the UCONN players had to get better for this to happen. And as a result, they achieved their team goal and aren't as interested in the minute allocation of every player goal than a fan might otherwise be.
And they don’t get as better if you don’t play them a certain number of minutes. You are just haphazardly assuming giving the players you like more minutes will result in a victory. The point I made about Jada Boyd (the bench player) and NC State was that during regulation she was minus 4 in the plus-minus-minutes-stat. Well suppose they gave a few minutes to the starter instead? Maybe they win and UCONN loses, right? So why are you assuming that CD - a freshman - was going to shine when for example you see her blow to easy layups vs UCF? You knew she would automatically play well after that?
Sure CW also missed some layups too but are you suggesting that freshmen in NCAA Tourney conditions will always play as well as they did during the reg, season? And if it is CD vs Azzi who do you feel is more reliable? If the answer is Azzi then why wouldn't you want more passing type of players to get the ball to Azzi? In regards to CW, another poster mentioned CWill also missed layups. But as we know if we are going to look at the past to justify the resume of CD in some manner, then CWill certainly has a much better resume if you look at last year, right? She performed vs much much better vs tougher competition, didn’t she?
If the goal is to make everyone better then why not play every player an equal amount of minutes? Anyhow, what Geno is telling you in a way is that it isn’t fair to Paige, Azzi and CWill for example that he is to take away minutes from those players that he feels are superior for the style he wants to coach. For example he is telling you that CWill is a better defender than CD. Maybe even a better passer. He is definitely telling you that Evina is a better passer. The question is—are you going "to listen" that the 11 time National Championship coach and 14 time consecutive Final Fours coach is having some trepidation that one of his freshmen doesn’t provide the passing and./or defense vs 4 year and 5 year seniors that helped the team go to the FF last year? Are you going “to listen” that if he feels he has superior players he will play them mega minutes (just as every championship wcbb does including Stanford from last year with their pg and Lexie Hull)?
If you are wrong you shrug your shoulders and are sad as a fan if UCONN loses but plays the players you want. But if Geno makes the move you want and they lose and let’s say before FF then he let down every player and coach on his team. But he didn’t let them down if he is coaching to a style he nearly always coaches to and they win (ie Final Four.).
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Not as she matures as a player and thinks the game differently.
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Not only that, but the team will be far less crowded with players who can play both guard and forward who are the most experienced players on the team. I’m not that worried about Caroline having a key role going forward.
I agree with some of what you’re saying. With Dorka out, Caroline suddenly becomes a lot more important. If you haven’t already, take a look at Stanford’s roster. They’re really tall.
Stanford, I think, will try to get Liv and AE in foul trouble early. As much as I would enjoy watching Amari or Piath out on the floor, they are a huge risk. So the next tallest player is Caroline. And Caroline is a good shot blocker.
On the other hand, Caroline has not played a lot of minutes against a team as good as Stanford. She’s a freshman, and it’s hard to know how she’d respond. I don’t think it’s a given that she would become better if Geno said he needed her to be. But she might be the best option. We’ll see what Geno decides to do.
Agree. He likes playing 4 guards at times and should consider Caroline vs Westbrook. Evina for some reason, does not like to penetrate and shoot much, especially after a miss.
When Nika and Westbrook play together, it gets very difficult for the other 3. With Caroline - she can be very dangerous.
I apologize if my comment is covered later in this thread. Caroline is fearless on the court. Her anxiety is the quick hook by Geno. When he had to play her due to injuries she excelled. Now back to the quick hook.
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It would be interesting to know how many Caroline and/or Nika threads we've had this season - along with the "why doesn't Geno play Caroline, Nika, Amari, Piath more?"
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Just wait until the "slower" months arrive (July - November)...
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