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Game Two: UCFBfan vs. ColoradoUCFan ***Winner: ColoradoUCFan***

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UCFBfan

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- Jerome Dyson
G - Jeremy Lamb
F - Richard Hamilton
F - Charlie Villanueva
C - Andre Drummond

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Earl Kelley
Roscoe Smith

ColoradoUCFan

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Kevin Ollie
G - Ben Gordon
F - Scott Burrell
F - Donyell Marshall
C - Amida Brimah

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Nadav Henefeld
Kirk King
 
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Wow, this draft was fun over the last 20 days. But, the long days of deliberation allowed Team ColoradoUCFan put together the best squad in game Two. Let me explain why Colorado’s the right choice (and not because of legal marijuana)

Defense: Nobody is Ghana score in the paint against Team Colorado. We all know that Amida is a prolific shot blocker, and he might not be the best on our team. No UConn forward has ever blocked as many shots as Donyell Marshall did in ’94 with 3.3 (only Centers Thabeet and Okafor have more blocks per game than Donyell in a season). But, Amida actually is as a good a shot blocker per minute as Emeka was in his best season. Emeka averaged 4.7 blocks in 02-03 in 33 minutes a game. Brimah averaged 2.3 blocks in 16.2 minutes. Wow, on second thought Amida might be the best shot blocker on my team. Who knows. Team Colorado has the best shot blocking forward and center tandem in the league. BTW, when we bring in 96-97 version on Kirk King off the bench, he averages over 2 blocks a game, plus he is going to get real physical on you when we go “short” when Amida gets in foul trouble.

The paint isn’t the only spot where you’re in trouble vs Colorado. Our team is full of versatile athletes. So have fun against our press facing Scott Burrell and Nadav Henefeld. Remember that press they had in 89-90? Team Colorado owns that press now bitches. Damn it, Nadav could be the single best full court defender in UConn history. From his single season, Nadav still holds the single season steals mark with a whopping 138 for a 3.7 per game average. Guess who’s number two alltime? That’s right, Scott Burrell with 3.6. Also on Team Colorado. BTW, Scotty is listed as the starter. In reality I probably start Nadav. But damn it, they're both so athletic and versatile. They probably spend a lot of time together on the court.

On the perimeter, Ben guards the second guard on the other team. Obviously KO guards the lead guard on the other team.

Offense: We won’t need to score much because of our D. But, guess what..we will. I envision our offense focused on Donyell on the inside and Ben Gordon outside. For those of you yougsters out there who might not have watched Donyell in the early 90’s, let me tell you that he was dominant in college – blocks, boards, but also scoring. That’s why he was UConn’s first All American and led us to the sweet 16 (and almost Elite 8, but no missed free throw discussion here). Donyell averaged 25.1 points in 93-94. He was tall with long arms, with inside moves, comfort dunking in your face, and he had a sweet outside touch. He even hit 41 threes. Amida won’t be scoring much on our team, but that’s not why we picked him. Ben Gordon will be the primary shooter outside, obviously, since he still holds the second most 3’s made in a season in UConn history. Imagine Donyell and Ben Gordon on the pick and pop? We have a solid point guard, with KO having a career 619 assists and 5.0 per game. Scotty and Nadav can also both hit threes and aren’t too shabby on offense at all. If you’re counting, that’s 4 guys who can hit a three and I’m not counting KO who hit 31% as a senior.

Speed / Athleticism: I’m super excited about speed and athleticism. We can run and jump. Scott Burrell was the first and only man to be drafted first round in the NBA and MLB. But, from the 5 spot to the 1 spot, our guys will be able to run you ragged, which will pay off when we press you.

Rebounding: Donyell will lead the team, like he did in 94 with 8.9 a game. King can pound in the paint, before he was suspended in ’97 was averaging over 7 a game. Scotty got 6 per as a senior and “Freshman” Nadav got 5.6 per game. Any boards our starting center, Amida, gets is just a bonus. But, we’ll be fine.

Versatility KO is the point. Amida is the starting center. But, all the other players can play multiple positions. We can put Scotty / Nadav at 2, 3 or 4. We can play King backing up the 4 spot or 5. It would be unorthodox but we could even go super big and put Donyell at 3, King at 4 and Amida at 5. Wow, that sounds fun.

Domination Just wanted to mention again that Donyell Marshall averaged 25 pts / 8.9 boards / 3.3 blocks in 93-94. Our first AA. Our First BE Player or the year. Our First BE Defensive player of the year. UConn’s first lottery pick. And a couple of our guys experienced the domination of the Dream Team.

Leadership Lot’s of leaders on this team. I think Nadav was the key to the Dream Team. But, most importantly, I have Kevin Ollie & nobody else in game 2 does. You may have heard what Kevin Durant said about KO’s leadership skills or maybe Lebron or Iverson. KO is a natural born leader. We all know that now after 2 years as a coach, but he’s been doing this all along. Teammates want to follow him into battle. Does anyone think there’s a coincidence that KO’s Jr and Sr years were back to back BE regular season championships? We will have the intangibles and leadership to hold it together in close games.
 
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UCFBfan isn't going to be able to run his offense consistently, since he's only got one ball handler (Kelley), and he's going to have Ollie in his grill whenever he steps onto the court.

ColoradoUCFan has a vastly superior defensive team at PG, SF and PF, and an elite rim protector at the 5.

This one's a blow-out.
 
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I would like UCFBfan a hell of a lot more if he didn't have Dyson as his lead guard. He did some nice things and would mesh well with a Napier type player at the one, but if you're relying on him as your primary distributor, that spells trouble. I really like the Lamb/Hamilton tandem on the wing, though some would argue their skill sets are redundant. Roscoe Smith, meanwhile, was arguably the best defender at the four that we've ever had - he would be interesting as a potential Donyell stopper. The problem with that, of course, is we've seen the Smith/Drummond front line before and it wasn't exactly a major success, though maybe with Rip at the three some of those scoring concerns are mitigated.

ColoradoUCFan put together a really nice team, with one glaring weakness at the center position. It doesn't figure to cost him in this match-up, since Drummond wasn't refined enough offensively to take advantage of Amida's inexperience, and he wasn't nearly the terror on the boards his freshman year here that he is now. The Ollie/Gordon back court just seems perfect to me - those two complement each other perfectly. You can afford to hide Gordon a bit defensively and stick Ollie on the opposition's best perimeter scorer, and the potential BG/Donyell pick and pop is frightening to say the least.
 
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I only pray I get the chance to play Colorado's team in the finals. I can't imagine either of us being held to 1 or 2 posts each.
 
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Wow, this draft was fun over the last 20 days. But, the long days of deliberation allowed Team ColoradoUCFan put together the best squad in game Two. Let me explain why Colorado’s the right choice (and not because of legal marijuana)

Defense: Nobody is Ghana score in the paint against Team Colorado. We all know that Amida is a prolific shot blocker, and he might not be the best on our team. No UConn forward has ever blocked as many shots as Donyell Marshall did in ’94 with 3.3 (only Centers Thabeet and Okafor have more blocks per game than Donyell in a season). But, Amida actually is as a good a shot blocker per minute as Emeka was in his best season. Emeka averaged 4.7 blocks in 02-03 in 33 minutes a game. Brimah averaged 2.3 blocks in 16.2 minutes. Wow, on second thought Amida might be the best shot blocker on my team. Who knows. Team Colorado has the best shot blocking forward and center tandem in the league. BTW, when we bring in 96-97 version on Kirk King off the bench, he averages over 2 blocks a game, plus he is going to get real physical on you when we go “short” when Amida gets in foul trouble.

The paint isn’t the only spot where you’re in trouble vs Colorado. Our team is full of versatile athletes. So have fun against our press facing Scott Burrell and Nadav Henefeld. Remember that press they had in 89-90? Team Colorado owns that press now bitches. Damn it, Nadav could be the single best full court defender in UConn history. From his single season, Nadav still holds the single season steals mark with a whopping 138 for a 3.7 per game average. Guess who’s number two alltime? That’s right, Scott Burrell with 3.6. Also on Team Colorado.

On the perimeter, Ben guards the second guard on the other team. Obviously KO guards the lead guard on the other team.

Offense: We won’t need to score much because of our D. But, guess what..we will. I envision our offense focused on Donyell on the inside and Ben Gordon outside. For those of you yougsters out there who might not have watched Donyell in the early 90’s, let me tell you that he was dominant in college – blocks, boards, but also scoring. That’s why he was UConn’s first All American and led us to the elite 8 (and almost Final 4, but no missed free throw discussion here). Donyell averaged 25.1 points in 93-94. He was tall with long arms, with inside moves, comfort dunking in your face, and he had a sweet outside touch. He even hit 41 threes. Amida won’t be scoring much on our team, but that’s not why we picked him. Ben Gordon will be the primary shooter outside, obviously, since he still holds the second most 3’s made in a season in UConn history. Imagine Donyell and Ben Gordon on the pick and pop? We have a solid point guard, with KO having a career 619 assists and 5.0 per game. Scotty and Nadav can also both hit threes and aren’t too shabby on offense at all. If you’re counting, that’s 4 guys who can hit a three and I’m not counting KO who hit 31% as a senior.

Speed / Athleticism: I’m super excited about speed and athleticism. We can run and jump. Scott Burrell was the first and only man to be drafted first round in the NBA and MLB. But, from the 5 spot to the 1 spot, our guys will be able to run you ragged, which will pay off when we press you.

Rebounding: Donyell will lead the team, like he did in 94 with 8.9 a game. King can pound in the paint, before he was suspended in ’97 was averaging over 7 a game. Scotty got 6 per as a senior and “Freshman” Nadav got 5.6 per game. Any boards our starting center, Amida, gets is just a bonus. But, we’ll be fine.

Versatility KO is the point. Amida is the starting center. But, all the other players can play multiple positions. We can put Scotty / Nadav at 2, 3 or 4. We can play King backing up the 4 spot or 5. It would be unorthodox but we could even go super big and put Donyell at 3, King at 4 and Amida at 5. Wow, that sounds fun.

Domination Just wanted to mention again that Donyell Marshall averaged 25 pts / 8.9 boards / 3.3 blocks in 93-94. Our first AA. Our First BE Player or the year. Our First BE Defensive player of the year. UConn’s first lottery pick. And a couple of our guys experienced the domination of the Dream Team.

Leadership Lot’s of leaders on this team. I think Nadav was the key to the Dream Team. But, most importantly, I have Kevin Ollie & nobody else in game 2 does. You may have heard what Kevin Durant said about KO’s leadership skills or maybe Lebron or Iverson. KO is a natural born leader. We all know that now after 2 years as a coach, but he’s been doing this all along. Teammates want to follow him into battle. Does anyone think there’s a coincidence that KO’s Jr and Sr years were back to back BE regular season championships? We will have the intangibles and leadership to hold it together in close games.

Great post.. just a small correction. Donyell's choke was in the Sweet 16 vs Florida. Thats as far as he advanced in his time at Uconn.
 
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Brimah as an elite shot blocker is being vastly overrated. He draws way too many fouls due to bad footwork (why he won't be able to run the floor) and being out of position to realistically play more than 15-18 minutes.
 
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Brimah as an elite shot blocker is being vastly overrated. He draws way too many fouls due to bad footwork (why he won't be able to run the floor) and being out of position to realistically play more than 15-18 minutes.
Yeah. Brimah is going to be in foul trouble in about 5 seconds against Dyson/Lamb/Hamilton. Especially since Ben Gordon has to guard one of them.

I'm going to assume Earl Kelly is UCFB's starting PG. That's a solid pick, and the guy can ball. Not sure who that puts on the bench. Dyson? If so, that team can shoot 3s and slash.

UCFB's biggest problem is defense. Drummond can protect the rim, but at UConn he got abused on pick and rolls, and any other complex offense. Charlie/Hamilton/Kelly similarly aren't keeping people in front of them. Lamb's defense was predicated mostly on steals off the ball. Dyson is his only real plus defender. I think that spells trouble for him.
 

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I'm going to be brief for now because I only have a little bit of time this weekend. So here goes my run-down.

My starting lineup is a toss-up and would have to be determined at times by however the flow of the game went. So here's what my predicted Starting Lineup would be. It's different then what's posted.

PG: Earl Kelley
SG: Jeremy Lamb
SF: Richard Hamilton
PF: Charlie Villanueva
C: Andre Drummond

Bench: Jerome Dyson, Roscoe Smith

Thought process on why Dyson is on the bench: It's simple. I need someone who can handle the ball and Dyson is more of a 2 than a 1. He can handle to ball and all but he's not going to be able to run the offense like Kelley can. I'm starting Lamb over him because Lamb is a matchup nightmare as the 2. He's tall and lanky yet can run the 2 is needed. In this match-up, KO can try and match him up as he's close in height, but Lamb is versatile enough to overcome KO.

Some stats for thought on Offense:

Kelley averaged 19 points his junior year and ended up as 10th in all-time assists at UConn. (Sorry can't find year by year stats on him other then scoring average)
Lamb averaged 17.7 points while shooting 33.6% from 3
Hamilton averaged 21.5 points while shooting 34.7% from 3
Villanueva averaged 13.6 ppg while shooting 52% from the field
Drummond averaged 10 ppg while shooting 53.8% from the field
Dyson averaged 17.2 ppg
Smith averaged 6.3 ppg

(I took the best season for each player as I'm under the impression it's one year not whole career?)

What does this mean?

This team can score and in bunches. There's versatility here as well. One of my big men get into foul trouble? No worries. I move Lamb to a forward position and run a three guard set with Dyson, Kelley, and Lamb. Not worried about a drop here. Drummond is a great big man but he's not going to be insanely missed should he get in foul trouble because Villanueva can do the same. Drummond averaged 7.8 Rebounds a game and Charlie averaged 8.6. So the rebounding doesn't drop off much. In all honesty, I would probably go to a three guard set at times and alternate between Drummond and Villanueva. The team can run through Kelley and if he needs a breather, Dyson can fill in admirably for a short period of time.

Defense

This team can rebound from anywhere. Drummond, Villanueva, Hamilton, even Lamb. All averaged high rebound marks. Hamilton and Lamb averaged close to 5 rebounds a game. Plus, I have a tough defender in Roscoe coming off the bench. His 5.2 rebound avg in his frosh year makes for a nice transition from the bench. Dyson can apply the pressure on D as well. The guys quick and averaged 1.5 steals in his senior season. He can press if needed and throw in Lamb's length as well as Kelley's and this team can trap and apply pressure.

Final thoughts:

So putting it all together this team at first looks like a mish mash of players. There was no true guard listed for this team at first but if you insert Kelley and put Dyson on the bench this team transforms into something special. What do you always want from players coming off your bench? You want a spark plug, someone who can ignite a stale start. Imagine being able to insert someone like Dyson into that lineup? How about Roscoe? We saw what he did coming off the bench in the NC championship season. Both players add to this roster in large ways.

Finally, this team has National Championship experience and rings to go around. Hamilton, Villanueva, and Lamb represent three of the 4 National Championship teams at UConn. Crack under pressure? Not these guys. Lamb won a NC as a freshmen. Villanueva won one as a freshmen as well. This team can run with the best of them.
 

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Can we argue why our team would beat the team we're matched up against? Or is that for others to do?
 
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Can we argue why our team would beat the team we're matched up against? Or is that for others to do?
Please do. I think you can and should.

Also, I wish you got to present your starting line-up, not the selection order. I think that changes things. I was looking for value late at the 2 and 5, and you got your starting PG in a late round. I assumed you were going to start Earl (I voted against you anyway--sorry--but it was much closer in my mind) but some people didn't.
 

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Please do. I think you can and should.

Also, I wish you got to present your starting line-up, not the selection order. I think that changes things. I was looking for value late at the 2 and 5, and you got your starting PG in a late round. I assumed you were going to start Earl (I voted against you anyway--sorry--but it was much closer in my mind) but some people didn't.
I agree. I thought we were just picking 7 players and then WE would submit a starting lineup. I didn't realize that our first 5 picks would just be our starting 5. That's not how I viewed the draft.
 
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I agree. I thought we were just picking 7 players and then WE would submit a starting lineup. I didn't realize that our first 5 picks would just be our starting 5. That's not how I viewed the draft.
Yeah. I've already sent over who I would start to @champs99and04 to make sure there's no confusion. Otherwise, I would be starting Corny Thompson at center (I guess...very good player, not a center), rather than Third-Team All Big East Rod Sellers.
 

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Hey champs, any way we can pin the two current game threads each day? Hopefully not too much clutter at the top of the board?
 

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Wow, this draft was fun over the last 20 days. But, the long days of deliberation allowed Team ColoradoUCFan put together the best squad in game Two. Let me explain why Colorado’s the right choice (and not because of legal marijuana)

You definitely started off strong up there.
 

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This game is really odd for me in that there's basically one true PG (Ollie), and he's not one of the UCONN studs. Can definitely run a team though.

Colorado is much stronger in the post, while UC is much stronger on the perimeter.

Good matchup. Very hard to decide.
 
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Please do. I think you can and should.

Also, I wish you got to present your starting line-up, not the selection order. I think that changes things. I was looking for value late at the 2 and 5, and you got your starting PG in a late round. I assumed you were going to start Earl (I voted against you anyway--sorry--but it was much closer in my mind) but some people didn't.

You can say who would start in the introductions. Champs should let the two coaches say their piece before everyone else.

Champs should not have to organize starting lineups because that's a pain for him.
 

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Can we argue why our team would beat the team we're matched up against? Or is that for others to do?

You're actually supposed to. An introductory statement. Probably should be sent into Champs ahead of time.
 

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At first glance, UCFB looks like an easy winner, but if you swap Henefeld for Burrell it flips neutralizing Hamilton, as much as you can and CV on offense and causing bad matchup for them on defense. UCFB also doesn't have the ball handling, but creates a matchup problem for Brimah (fouls) at center. Ultimately it comes down to whether or not Hamilton, Lamb, have the hot hand and Dyson driving the lane and getting to the line causing foul trouble.

I think the defense/shot blocking/rebounding of Colorado and the running ability on that roster wins more often, so Colorado for me.
 
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Great post.. just a small correction. Donyell's choke was in the Sweet 16 vs Florida. Thats as far as he advanced in his time at Uconn.
edit made. that was one of the few things I didn't look up.i trusted my memory. thanks for the heads
 

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You can say who would start in the introductions. Champs should let the two coaches say their piece before everyone else.
I agree with this 100% Let the two teams post their arguments then open the voting. Just give us a heads up more than a few hours at 10 pm so we can get them in to Champs.
 
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Going into the tournament, I was hoping to be matched up against UCF. Most successful UConn teams have had two quality point guards. UCF has zero.

In terms of raw talent, UCF has it in spades. But this is a team sport that needs a competent facilitator.

I vote Colorado.
 
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Going into the tournament, I was hoping to be matched up against UCF. Most successful UConn teams have had two quality point guards. UCF has zero.

In terms of raw talent, UCF has it in spades. But this is a team sport that needs a competent facilitator.

I vote Colorado.

Fun fact: Guess how many minutes Marcus Williams played for UConn in the 2004 final 4.


Answer: Zero


2 PG doesn't necessarily = success just as having Taliek being awful in a final 4 game doesn't necessarily = DOOOOOOOOOOOMED
 
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Having two PGs is ideal; in 2004 I'd say we had a PG and a combo guard, that's pretty close.

In 1999, we had two PGs. In 2011 we played a lot of the game with two PGs (Kemba and Bazz). And, obviously, this year, we had Boat and Bazz, and sometimes Samuel as well.

Either way, you can't get away with having zero true PGs, which UCF is trying to do.
 
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