Co-signed. He didn't suck...but when the bar is set somewhere between the talent of Ray and Michael Jordan courtesy of Mr Ollie...he didn't come anywhere near the hype.
Probably just depends upon how you are defining good.
Here are the average # of wins for our point guards since 1990.
I think me and you see wins differently. Kemba was a part of more than 27 wins. I think you know what i meant but want to disagree just because.
That's average # of wins per season
Oh my apologies. Apparently im an idiot who lacks reading comprehension.
Well he had 19 in his first year so hes off to a good start. Hopefully the season isnt cut short again which im optimistic it wont.
one of the best defensive duos ever...pump the brakes
Are you going to enlighten us with your thoughts on ...best defensive duos ever? You can't tell someone to pump the brakes and not share your opinion.
Greatly exaggerated. He was fine, pesky, but he got beat by bigger guards constantly.
He was a solid on ball defender and at times was really good at moving his feet, getting pressure on guys without fouling, disrupting plays etc. But the advanced stats show he wasn’t a great defender. Per last seasons team stats, he was 6th in defensive rating, 4th in defensive win shares, and 7th in DBPM. I’ll give you that it felt like at times he was smothering dudes and frustrating players, but best duo ever? Come on now... and to me, duo is any two players, not just back court. That list would include Emeka, Hasheem, etc etc.
See BGesus4's post.
Okafor, Taliek Brown
Unless I'm confused, I think the discussion was about best backcourt defensive duos.
That may have been what the OP was going for, but was not what he said. He called Gilbert/Vital one of the best defensive duos ever
