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BroadwayVa said:
PREPARE TO BE SHOCKED!!
Geno believes in the 3---he expects his starting 5 to shoot the three effectively--
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I just don't see Williams and Collier making 10x as many 3 pt fgs as they made last year.
 
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Seems like an easy 10 times Zer0---is an easy number to reach---but I suspect she will take instead of a multiplier--possible additive ---of like 3 or more per game. If she's hitting--she'll shoot more.
But don't look for that in game one. Some like Katie LOU need time to feel comfortable hitting them in games. Geno--i believe, will require her to shoot if she has proven she can hit the 3. Unlike some coaches--Geno has his shooters shoot--even when they are missing--he knows eventually they will hit and hit some more.. By the way--thanks for the stat--I was pretty sure that was her exact number for last year.
 
BroadwayVa said:
Seems like an easy 10 times Zer0---is an easy number to reach---but I suspect she will take instead of a multiplier--possible additive ---of like 3 or more per game. If she's hitting--she'll shoot more.
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So you think she will go from attempting 0 3pt fgs last year, to attempting more than Stewart did in her Senior season?
 
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TitleTown said:
So you think she will go from attempting 0 3pt fgs last year, to attempting more than Stewart did in her Senior season?
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Seems like an easy 10 times Zer0---is an easy number to reach---but I suspect she will take instead of a multiplier--possible additive ---of like 3 or more per game. If she's hitting--she'll shoot more.
But don't look for that in game one. Some like Katie LOU need time to feel comfortable hitting them in games. Geno--i believe, will require her to shoot if she has proven she can hit the 3. Unlike some coaches--Geno has his shooters shoot--even when they are missing--he knows eventually they will hit and hit some more.. By the way--thanks for the stat--I was pretty sure that was her exact number for last year.
Don't just cut and paste---use the whole posting ---If she is hitting (see above) she'll shoot more. logical, truthful, possible, the key word ----IF IF IF
 
TitleTown said:
I just don't see Williams and Collier making 10x as many 3 pt fgs as they made last year.[/QUOT E]
What is 1 three made in percentages more>.???
When she made ZERO last year---how many did she attempt/?? Zero??? IF so she's hitting 100 percent of all those attempted. If she hits one this year---isn't that an infinite number more than last// ?? As Zero approaches 1 like .0000000001 is to 1---a very large number. Wow Gabby will be great!!!
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BroadwayVa said:
Seems like an easy 10 times Zer0---is an easy number to reach---but I suspect she will take instead of a multiplier--possible additive ---of like 3 or more per game. If she's hitting--she'll shoot more.
But don't look for that in game one. Some like Katie LOU need time to feel comfortable hitting them in games. Geno--i believe, will require her to shoot if she has proven she can hit the 3. Unlike some coaches--Geno has his shooters shoot--even when they are missing--he knows eventually they will hit and hit some more.. By the way--thanks for the stat--I was pretty sure that was her exact number for last year.
Don't just cut and paste---use the whole posting ---If she is hitting (see above) she'll shoot more. logical, truthful, possible, the key word ----IF IF IF
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Well, if she shoots the lower end of what you said "3 or more per game", and say UConn plays 37 games this year, then she will attempt at a minimum of 111 3pt fgs. Breanna Stewart last year attempted 108. So you think she will attempt more 3pt fgs this year than Stewart did as a senior?
 
TitleTown said:
I would be shocked if Collier and Williams combined made more than 20 3pt field goals this year.
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I agree; those 2 can do more damage closer to the basket, hitting higher percentage shots. They both have the jumping ability, the inside shots and moves to score much more from in close.
Sure, we all like to see players hit the 3 pointers, but let's take the higher percentage shots!
 
BroadwayVa said:
PREPARE TO BE SHOCKED!!
Geno believes in the 3---he expects his starting 5 to shoot the three effectively--
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They may have that many by the Christmas break. You have doubts about their ability to shoot three, because you haven't seen them do it on consistent basis. Geno had other players he wanted to shoot 3's the last two years.

Also please keep in mind that this year's team is a totally different team from last year's. Geno is looking for a net set of "gunslingers.

Just because you haven't seen someone do a thing, doesn't mean they can't. I'm guessing both of them have been working on their perimeter shooting since their first day on campus last year.
 
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Carnac said:
They may have that many by the Christmas break. You have doubts about their ability to shoot three, because you haven't seen them do it on consistent basis. Geno had other players he wanted to shoot 3's the last two years.

Just because you haven't seen someone do a thing, doesn't mean they can't. I'm guessing both of them have been working on their perimeter shooting since their first day on campus last year.
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Those of us who have followed Geno et al for nearly 30 years have learned his beliefs to some extent-===those easily defined are: 1. Tough Team Defense 2. Conditioning 3. Geno believes in the 3 ball . Along with 3 goes ; he want's his starters to be pretty fair to excellent 3 ball shooter --obviously he won't sit you if you can't shoot the 3 but are great in the other two functions.
I saw Collier shot the 3 in the USA's --and I bet she is better now. Gabby is a tough determined and successful young woman and shall give to Geno any Basketball attribute he may request.
No--I have not seen Gabby's 3 yet--but as I told Coco--I believe in Geno.. (yet I reserve the right to be a loud mouthed fans)
 
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TitleTown said:
Well, if she shoots the lower end of what you said "3 or more per game", and say UConn plays 37 games this year, then she will attempt at a minimum of 111 3pt fgs. Breanna Stewart last year attempted 108. So you think she will attempt more 3pt fgs this year than Stewart did as a senior?
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I have seen enough of UCWBB to know ---All things are possible and Gabby is no longer an under grad--she's one of Geno's hand picked 4--
To REPEAT and REPEAT again---IF---IF---IF she shoots the 3 as well as I expect --all numbers are possible with Gabby, Collier, Kia, Katie LOU, Crystal, Butler, Molly, Kyla, Lawlor, Chong (if healthy0
But you didn't answer the question based on your prediction of not above 10 percent additional 3's made.
if she made Zero last year and makes 1 three this year--mathematically/stats wise--what percentage of increase is it// Also-asked--if you approach 1 from Zero--as you approach 1--what kind of number is that???
The Queen is gone---long live our new Queens---I don't base my projections for Gabby on a Wnba player--I base them on Gabby's ability to adapt.
 
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Monte said:
I agree; those 2 can do more damage closer to the basket, hitting higher percentage shots. They both have the jumping ability, the inside shots and moves to score much more from in close.
Sure, we all like to see players hit the 3 pointers, but let's take the higher percentage shots!
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Geno has had a few 70 plus percent shooters---Tamika Williams is one. Because you are in the mix of the bigs does not mean you can't/ shouldn't shoot the 3---Steff did that regularly in her Senior year. If Butler gets the time i hope she gets, cuz we need her, she is capable of drilling a 3 now an then too. The three is used, by Geno's teams, not just for opening the inside up, but as a legit scoring entity--take 7 3's and make them--you have to hit 11 2's to exceed that scoring. Percentages.
 
BroadwayVa said:
Geno has had a few 70 plus percent shooters---Tamika Williams is one. Because you are in the mix of the bigs does not mean you can't/ shouldn't shoot the 3---Steff did that regularly in her Senior year. If Butler gets the time i hope she gets, cuz we need her, she is capable of drilling a 3 now an then too. The three is used, by Geno's teams, not just for opening the inside up, but as a legit scoring entity--take 7 3's and make them--you have to hit 11 2's to exceed that scoring. Percentages.
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Take 7 3-pointers, and go 7 for 7??.....yeah, right. All the inside people are going to do that?
 
BroadwayVa said:
I have seen enough of UCWBB to know ---All things are possible and Gabby is no longer an under grad--she's one of Geno's hand picked 4--
To REPEAT and REPEAT again---IF---IF---IF she shoots the 3 as well as I expect --all numbers are possible with Gabby, Collier, Kia, Katie LOU, Crystal, Butler, Molly, Kyla, Lawlor, Chong (if healthy0
But you didn't answer the question based on your prediction of not above 10 percent additional 3's made.
if she made Zero last year and makes 1 three this year--mathematically/stats wise--what percentage of increase is it// Also-asked--if you approach 1 from Zero--as you approach 1--what kind of number is that???
The Queen is gone---long live our new Queens---I don't base my projections for Gabby on a Wnba player--I base them on Gabby's ability to adapt.
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No, I said Williams and Collier combined would not make 10x as many 3s! Williams made 0 last year and Collier made 2. Thus 10x2 equals 20 which is what I said in my original post that I would be shocked to see. Go back and read my posts its all very clear.
 
BroadwayVa said:
Geno has had a few 70 plus percent shooters---Tamika Williams is one. Because you are in the mix of the bigs does not mean you can't/ shouldn't shoot the 3---Steff did that regularly in her Senior year. If Butler gets the time i hope she gets, cuz we need her, she is capable of drilling a 3 now an then too. The three is used, by Geno's teams, not just for opening the inside up, but as a legit scoring entity--take 7 3's and make them--you have to hit 11 2's to exceed that scoring. Percentages.
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Dolson made all of 8 3 pt fgs her senior season.
 
Monte said:
Take 7 3-pointers, and go 7 for 7??.....yeah, right. All the inside people are going to do that?
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OK---take 14 3 pointers and (KML) makes 50 percent of them --you have 21 points --it takes 22 2 pointers at 50 percent to get 22 points (ie exceed the 21 points) ---it's more efficient to get 21 points for less shots---and out on the perimeter--the shots can be (note can) with less defense.
It is a belief Geno has stated a lot in the past---he likes 3 ball shots --from great shooters.
 
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BroadwayVa said:
OK---take 14 3 pointers and (KML) makes 50 percent of them --you have 21 points --it takes 22 2 pointers at 50 percent to get 22 points (ie exceed the 21 points) ---it's more efficient to get 21 points for less shots---and out on the perimeter--the shots can be (note can) with less defense.
It is a belief Geno has stated a lot in the past---he likes 3 ball shots --from great shooters.
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You said it all in your last 3 WORDS: "from great shooters".....many statements in this thread are talking about centers and other inside players who were NOT known for being 3 point shooters.....KLM was a different story, but you have to be realistic about which players on the current roster you are talking about!........you must be a Math teacher who does not coach basketball, on the side.
 
Monte said:
You said it all in your last 3 WORDS: "from great shooters".....many statements in this thread are talking about centers and other inside players who were NOT known for being 3 point shooters.....KLM was a different story, but you have to be realistic about which players on the current roster you are talking about!...you must be a Math teacher who does not coach basketball, on the side.
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NO . TO either hypothesis. of course you do not buy into the theory---just a theory--that intelligent athletic WoMEn can be taught to be better than good 3 point shooter--however it appear to be a theory Geno has believed in--but what does he know/// Right?
 
Carnac said:
I engaged in a brief philosophical debate with a poster about this very thing. My take was that just because Gabby didn't shoot 3's her freshman & sophomore years, does not mean she can't. She was recruited as a guard. She's listed as a guard on this year's roster.

Guards can shoot 3's. It means she did not have the green light to do so. I'm not surprised at Gabby's shooting prowess. Not at all. I read somewhere the last couple of days that it's possible that Gabby may be asked to play all 5 positions at some point during a game, or some point during the season.

What other player on the roster could possibly be asked to do that? If Gabby can stay out of foul trouble, she's going to be very productive and a serious concern for many of UConn's opponents this season. I can realistically see 14/8 most nights, assuming she starts. I look for Geno to give Gabby more reign this season.
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Yep, key factor; foul trouble.
 
BroadwayVa said:
Geno has had a few 70 plus percent shooters---Tamika Williams is one. Because you are in the mix of the bigs does not mean you can't/ shouldn't shoot the 3---Steff did that regularly in her Senior year. If Butler gets the time i hope she gets, cuz we need her, she is capable of drilling a 3 now an then too. The three is used, by Geno's teams, not just for opening the inside up, but as a legit scoring entity--take 7 3's and make them--you have to hit 11 2's to exceed that scoring. Percentages.
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Stef took 27 3-pt shots her senior year -- much less than 1 per game. She shot 29.6% for 3-pt field goals and shot 56.4% overall.

Tamika Williams is the only UConn player to shoot over 70% for a season. She did it three times (sophomore thru senior seasons). Kara Wolters has the next highest FG% for a season with 63.6% her freshman year.
 
Wally East said:
Stef took 27 3-pt shots her senior year -- much less than 1 per game. She shot 29.6% for 3-pt field goals and shot 56.4% overall.

Tamika Williams is the only UConn player to shoot over 70% for a season. She did it three times (sophomore thru senior seasons). Kara Wolters has the next highest FG% for a season with 63.6% her freshman year.
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Thank you for the stats----I knew Tamika shot 70 percent--Geno --said of her--anyone should be able to shoot 70 percent 2 ft from the basket. Apparently that is not the case.
 
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Morgan Tuck took 87 three pointers last year and i could easily see Williams and Collier between them topping that number - Morgan shot .322 from three for 28 made, but the importance of her taking those shots was twofold - it pulled her defender outside of the lane opening the inside for Stewart, and it made her driving more effective as she was frequently able to blow past her defender.
I think the same will be true for both Collier and Williams, and that they should be able to shoot at least as well as Morgan. I would be happy with the going 30-90 for 33% and it should be doable.
 
TitleTown said:
No, I said Williams and Collier combined would not make 10x as many 3s! Williams made 0 last year and Collier made 2. Thus 10x2 equals 20 which is what I said in my original post that I would be shocked to see. Go back and read my posts its all very clear.
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So the question remains----how many will Williams make this year---from your mathematical model/??
Collier's model is clear---not so with Williams---still didn't answer the question--clear like MUD. if Collier made two---10 times 2---equals Colliers number---not Gabbys---so how many do you predict for Gabby this year---????
 
Former Olympic high jump hopeful Gabby Williams focused on basketball

"I will be playing inside so I am trying to improve playing inside, trying to expand my game," Williams said. "I've been working on my 3-point game, working on my pull-up, working on our ball handling and working on how our guards play because I never had to worry about that, I just had to worry about what I did inside."

Her shot was probably never bad but at least these words out of her mouth mean she is definitely making an effort to improve. I think what we saw at First Night is only the beginning...
 
I will take this opportunity to make the case for Gabby to be the "sixth guy," or first player off the bench.

Why? Combination of skill and versatility -- reminiscent of the ultimate "sixth man," Hall of Famer (7 rings) John Havlicek.

Coming off the bench, she will seamlessly replace Pheesa, Lou or Kia, either (a) halfway through 1st quarter (to add spark or create match-up problems for opponents -- or both) or (b) when any of that trio draws 2 PF's.

She will fit on both ends of the court and play starters' minutes (20-25). On defense she will guard any opponent except for their 1 or 5; when playing zone, out front (perimeter) or back (wing of 2-3).

Gabby Williams. Superbly equipped by her skill and versatility to be UConn's "sixth guy," first off the bench, a la John Havlicek. And ready to "steal the ball.";)
 
Kib - nice post. I would add:
It is a role she has already embraced and has performed extremely well in. In a season where everything is changing, keeping her as the 'sixth starter' is one thing that can be kept the same. If (and it is a big if) the other players in the mix as starters are doing well, the coaches already know how versatile she is in the role - filling multiple needs depending on how the game is playing out.
 
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