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JA's write-up from last night (LINK) now quotes Geno as saying it was micro-fracture:

Auriemma also said Morgan Tuck had surgery Thursday, but described it as a micro-fracture, which is a quite different procedure than cartilage transfer, which Tuck described last week. She will not be able to do any physical activity of six months.

So now I'm confused.....

I think Geno misspoke. I'm sure both procedures were discussed as options but they're very different and Morgan definitely talked about the OATS procedure (transferring cartilage) when talking to the media last week. Hopefully the Horde will clarify.
 
And yet, dd said nothing about his beliefs at all. Just that he'd prefer to keep the whole religion thing off the board. Which is a fair comment.

Freedom of religion does not embrace criticism of someone who expresses his or hers in a greeting and wish of well being to someone else. You want to call it "fair comment", okay get lawyerly. I call it simply bad manners and boorish.
 
Freedom of religion does not embrace criticism of someone who expresses his or hers in a greeting and wish of well being to someone else. You want to call it "fair comment", okay get lawyerly. I call it simply bad manners and boorish.

I don't agree...he simply stated his position.
 
As Geno noted faith is a deeply personal thing. It has long been part of this board, back to the earliest days I can remember that persons offered prayers, blessings and wishes to each other in times of loss or need of healing. I have appreciated many of those when they were directed my way in the past.

Back on Patriots' Day in the aftermath of the bombing I posted an old prayer attributed to St. Patrick which included a section of prayers invoking the name of Christ. I did this, specifically, because Boston is a city with large numbers of Irish Catholic police and emergency workers. It is part of the heritage of Boston. The prayer known as The Breastplate of St. Patrick was chosen for context, for people who were busy serving in harms' way and for whom St. Patrick has as special place. It is a prayer remembering and seeking God's guardianship. Some board members did not like the repetitive naming of Christ and objected to the moderators who then asked me to stop offering prayers in a broader context. I would gladly have adapted it, but simply followed its historic form.

No one is more aware of the conflict that religious expression can produce than pastors. We see it within and between faith communities and individuals. Sometimes we, as pastors, even cause that division by nothing more than our presence. To pretend or act as if religion is not part of the world and the lives of people is nonsense but at the same time one must always ask will an expression of faith or belief help heal or divide in this context. Will prayer add or is it simply a distraction. I have seldom found it impossible to offer healing without at the same time respecting the belief or disbelief of others but it takes awareness and respect for others. I have limited my offerings of prayers since April out of the respect for the request from our moderators.

No, offering best wishes is not the same as offering prayers or blessings to another nor is it fatal to hear the expression of G-d, Father, Christ, Spirit, Vishnu, Buddha, or any other name by which someone relates to whatever greater power they perceive and whom they follow. Nor does it do me any harm when someone chooses to not share my belief or any belief.

Let us be patient one another and allow each a small space of freedom to express compassion for one another as we might each see fit and let us, also, limit ourselves and our personal faith that it does not become a burden upon our neighbor.

Two weeks ago I attended a memorial for a man who was tragically struck by a car and killed on Christmas Eve. Dave had been a member of the local ISHKON community. The memorial was a glorious celebration of Dave's life and his love of music as a guitar instructor. Numerous acts and students came and played. They included members of the ISHKON community who led a drum circle and singing of traditional hymn "Hare Krishna." Yes, the one whose words many of us learned from George Harrison. At one point another person I know who is not a part of the ISHKON community invited me to get up and dance with their community. I refused and she wondered why. I told her that I did not dance out of respect for that community of faith. I said, "It is their faith and I do not know whether to join in is to respect or disrespect their tradition so I'll sit and listen enjoying their expression of the faith that is theirs." I believe they would do the same for me. I know Dave would have.

Let's hold each other in respect.

I apologize for the length I hope it helps us all guide our choices.
 
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I guess we simply have different views on what constitutes good manners in an open society.

Perhaps.

IAC, I didn't say what my view was, I simply said that DD stated his own position. No more, no less. How this translates into my or anyone elses manners I don't know.
 
Freedom of religion does not embrace criticism of someone who expresses his or hers in a greeting and wish of well being to someone else. You want to call it "fair comment", okay get lawyerly. I call it simply bad manners and boorish.
It was the specific use of one religion that I object to. I practice my religion and pray regularly.

And I'm offended being called boorish.
 
Fact is there is no non-belief. There is disbelief in specific God, gods, or faiths. There is, also, belief that there is no God or gods.
 
I think Geno misspoke. I'm sure both procedures were discussed as options but they're very different and Morgan definitely talked about the OATS procedure (transferring cartilage) when talking to the media last week. Hopefully the Horde will clarify.
Not that this article would be considered clarification, but ESPN just posted an article referring to Tuck's procedure microfracture surgery. Of course they could have acquired their information from the same questionable source: LINK.
 
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Not that this article would be considered clarification, but ESPN just posted an article referring to Tuck's procedure microfracture surgery. Of course they could have acquired their information from the same questionable source: LINK.

I saw that earlier today. It's an AP story that seems to rely on what the Horde reported last night.

The school issued a release saying that the surgery was a success (when is it not) and that Geno expects Morgan back for the start of the 2014-2015 season. I suppose we'll learn about the procedure at some point. I'm curious because the OATS procedure is a fairly new approach to these sorts of knee problems and is now thought to produce a higher success rate than microfracture surgery. There are a few NBA players who've had microfracture surgery (Oden, Kidd, etc.); as far as women's basketball players, Stanford's JJ Hones and OU's Whitney Hand comes to mind.
 
It was the specific use of one religion that I object to. I practice my religion and pray regularly.

And I'm offended being called boorish.

Then let us say on behalf of all religions and all practicing nob-religious that we wish the most speedy recovery to Morgan and Gabby.

BTW I did not see any denominational stamp on that well wish. If you are offended at what your defender calls "fair comment" and expected to be hammered, then maybe you have a streak of masochism in you.

If you are offended by a religious reference in a well wish directed to someone else, that is unfortunate. It is not ameliorated by your profession of religious belief; there are plenty of religious people who are intolerant.
 
Then let us say on behalf of all religions and all practicing nob-religious that we wish the most speedy recovery to Morgan and Gabby.

BTW I did not see any denominational stamp on that well wish. If you are offended at what your defender calls "fair comment" and expected to be hammered, then maybe you have a streak of masochism in you.

If you are offended by a religious reference in a well wish directed to someone else, that is unfortunate. It is not ameliorated by your profession of religious belief; there are plenty of religious people who are intolerant.
Holy Sprit is denominational.

There were several well wishes and prayers I did not comment on in this thread and many many other threads.

Bein a minority religious member by a lot and living in a Christian society, I prefer to have a basketball message board I enjoy to not have religious references.
 
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Holy Sprit is denominational.

There were several well wishes and prayers I did not comment on in this thread and many many other threads.

Bein a minority religious member by a lot and living in a Christian society, I prefer to have a basketball message board I enjoy to not have religious references.

Holy Spirit is sectarian not denominational. It's roots are even Jewish from Genesis and wisdom literature. My dear rabbi (Conservative) friend has a long teaching on the concept of ruach/spirit and use throughout Judeo-Christian tradition. It is fascinating.

The big issue is Jesus as Christ vs still waiting for Christ/Messiah/the Anointed. Of just using God rather than G-d or some other unvoiced reference for The Lord is offensive to some Judaic denominations.
 
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Quite frankly, it is petty squabbles like this that drive me away from the BY every now and then.

I played h.s. basketball with a teammate (Catholic) who crossed himself before every free throw. I guess he would be banned from playing now.
 
As Geno noted faith is a deeply personal thing. It has long been part of this board, back to the earliest days I can remember that persons offered prayers, blessings and wishes to each other in times of loss or need of healing. I have appreciated many of those when they were directed my way in the past.

Back on Patriots' Day in the aftermath of the bombing I posted an old prayer attributed to St. Patrick which included a section of prayers invoking the name of Christ. I did this, specifically, because Boston is a city with large numbers of Irish Catholic police and emergency workers. It is part of the heritage of Boston. The prayer known as The Breastplate of St. Patrick was chosen for context, for people who were busy serving in harms' way and for whom St. Patrick has as special place. Some board members did not like the repetitive naming of Christ and objected to the moderators who then asked me to stop offering prayers in a broader context. I would gladly have adapted it, but simply followed its historic form.

No one is more aware of the conflict that religious expression can produce than pastors. We see it within and between faith communities and individuals. Sometimes we, as pastors, even cause that division by nothing more than our presence. To pretend or act as if religion is not part of the world and the lives of people is nonsense but at the same time one must always ask will an expression of faith or belief help heal or divide in this context. Will prayer add or is it simply a distraction. I have seldom found it impossible to offer healing without at the same time respecting the belief or disbelief of others. I have limited my offerings of prayers since April out of the respect for the request from our moderators.

No, offering best wishes is not the same as offering prayers or blessings to another nor is it fatal to hear the expression of G-d, Father, Christ, Spirit, Vishnu, Buddha, or any other name by which someone relates to whatever greater power they perceive and whom they follow. Nor does it do me any harm when someone chooses to not belief.

Let us be patient one another and allow each a small space of freedom to express compassion for one another as we might each see fit and let us, also, limit ourselves and our personal faith that it does not become a burden upon our neighbor.

Two weeks ago I attended a memorial for a man who was tragically struck by a car and killed on Christmas Eve. Dave had been a member of the local ISHKON community. The memorial was a glorious celebration of Dave's life and his love of music as a guitar instructor. Numerous acts came and played. They included members of the ISHKON community who led a drum circle and singing of Hare Krishna. At one point another person I know who is not a part of the ISHKON community invited me to get up and dance. I refused and she wondered why. I told her that I did not dance out of respect for that community of faith. I said it is their faith and I do not know whether to join in is to respect or disrespect their tradition so I sit and listen enjoying their expression of the faith that is theirs. I believe they would do the same for me.

Let's hold each other in respect.

I apologize for the length I hope it helps us all guide our choices.
Eloquent- I appreciate the time you took to compose this- awesome IB!
 
Holy Sprit is denominational.

There were several well wishes and prayers I did not comment on in this thread and many many other threads.

Bein a minority religious member by a lot and living in a Christian society, I prefer to have a basketball message board I enjoy to not have religious references.
I really find it more offensive that we all can't send our well wishes to everyone in the way each of us feels appropriate- I like to send them in prayers, and really can't see why a thread has to turn negative while we are all hoping and/0r praying for the same results for these amazing young women. The "minorities" also should be tolerant of the rest of us.
 
For the record- I'm Catholic- but my two closest friends in the world are "Druish"!!!
 
Perhaps.

IAC, I didn't say what my view was, I simply said that DD stated his own position. No more, no less. How this translates into my or anyone elses manners I don't know.

I did not intend to state anything about your manners. Seem fine to me. I think your view of freedom of religion and freedom of expression may be off a bit, since you have no problem with Doggy expressing offense that a member would make a religious reference to get well wishes to a recruit and a player. How many threads have been on this board offering prayers to both players and members in times of need. Guess that should be out of bounds too?
 
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I did not intend to state anything about your manners. Seem fine to me. I think your view of freedom of religion and freedom of expression may be off a bit, since you have no problem with Doggy expressing offense that a member would make a religious reference to get well wishes to a recruit and a player. How many threads have been on this board offering prayers to both players and members in times of need. Guess that should be out of bounds too?

I just expressed my opinion that I wish those references specific to a religion would be left off the board. It's just my opinion.

I didn't tell anyone they couldn't post it. I'm not allowed to express my feelings on it?

As you said, how many threads offering prayers have there been? Countless and I only posted to this specific religious reference. It just hit me when I saw it.

I was not trying to offend anyone and apologize if I did.

We just had the Jewish president of Uconn publicly apologize to a football coach invoking Jesus in the huddle. Now, if the assistan coach had said God instead of no problem.

It's just something that bothers me.

Now, I won't get into an argument with Icebear about the Holy Spirit. I will say that the poster meant it (and I mean this nicely) in a Christian way.

I will just end it with god bless everyone.
 
I just expressed my opinion that I wish those references specific to a religion would be left off the board. It's just my opinion.

I didn't tell anyone they couldn't post it. I'm not allowed to express my feelings on it?

As you said, how many threads offering prayers have there been? Countless and I only posted to this specific religious reference. It just hit me when I saw it.

I was not trying to offend anyone and apologize if I did.

We just had the Jewish president of Uconn publicly apologize to a football coach invoking Jesus in the huddle. Now, if the assistan coach had said God instead of no problem.

It's just something that bothers me.

Now, I won't get into an argument with Icebear about the Holy Spirit. I will say that the poster meant it (and I mean this nicely) in a Christian way.

I will just end it with god bless everyone.

Yes, it is a fine way to end it.
 
DD I only want to point out that you expressed your opinion with the caveat that you would probably get hammered, you then gave your permission for others to hammer away. Your comment was met with what I would call minimum objection and you have since become very defensive.

I just wish that everyone would exemplify what America used to be known for...tolerance, acceptance of everyone's beliefs based on a model of freedom of speech and expression. And, God bless you too DD.
 
DD I only want to point out that you expressed your opinion with the caveat that you would probably get hammered, you then gave your permission for others to hammer away. Your comment was met with what I would call minimum objection and you have since become very defensive.

I just wish that everyone would exemplify what America used to be known for...tolerance, acceptance of everyone's beliefs based on a model of freedom of speech and expression. And, God bless you too DD.
I really though it was a good way to end it...lol. Oh well.

I certainly agree with you that I asked for it and the response was really minimal. I don't believe I'm being defensive. Just explaining my position.
 
DD I only want to point out that you expressed your opinion with the caveat that you would probably get hammered, you then gave your permission for others to hammer away. Your comment was met with what I would call minimum objection and you have since become very defensive.

I just wish that everyone would exemplify what America used to be known for...tolerance, acceptance of everyone's beliefs based on a model of freedom of speech and expression. And, God bless you too DD.

Actually, I don't think DD has been very defensive - he's merely stated his position, and tried to clarify it. And, I don't think DD has been hammered - to use your phrase, the objection/disagreements have been pretty civil and polite on both sides. My two cents in this is, I don't think the absence of a belief constitutes a belief - the absence of something doesn't necessarily imply a presence of a specific alternative. Sometimes a cigarette is just a cigarette.
 
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