FSU vs Louisville [merged thread]

[UcMiami]

Anyone know the specific rule on conference matchups - I thought:
1. they put a hard rule on regional play that a conference team cannot possibly play against a conference mate if they are in the first four seed lines and the conference has only 4 team seeded between 1-16. If they have 5 teams then they can only scheduled to meet in the elite 8.
2. There is no rule that if there are 5 teams it is only the fifth team that would be assigned to meet one of the others in the elite 8.

This probably matters this year because the Pac12 seems destined to have 5 hosting teams this year and people are thinking this forces Uconn to Portland as a two seed because Stanford/UCLA couldn't be send there as a 2 seed if rule two above is incorrect.

 

[DefenseBB]

No chance! Stanford would have to win out to pass UConn, that ain't happening! If UConn wins out, they are the #5 overall seed and should be the #2 in Fort Wayne.

Maybe it's the looming sanctions coming against your baseball that the cloud your reading but the words I used were "potential wins" and the fact that the committee does not always seed according to an "S" curve. So yes, as the 5 seed, they should be paired with the #4 seed but the committee does use geography. Also, yes, Stanford is the one school left that COULD pass UConn. Will they, I don't think so either but they could by winning the PAC12 title. Kapeche?

 

[Sluconn Husky]

 

[NEforceUConn]

I was at the game and although close I thought today FSU was the better team. The UL out of bounds turnover was quite unbelievable, Jeff must have developed an ulser right at that moment.

Anyway it looks to me that unfortunately we are heading out West.

In the second game NC State looked very good but far below our Huskies.

ps pretty decent crowd considering that Duke lost to the Beagles.

 

[MSGRET]

That's total BS, ESPN and the NCAA don't want UConn to get to the final four again. They want someone that hasn't been there for a few years. You are going to tell me that you lose to tOSU, Florida State 2X, and Syracuse and you're going to be ranked higher than UConn.

 

[Sluconn Husky]

You are going to tell me that you lose to tOSU, Florida State 2X, and Syracuse and you're going to be ranked higher than UConn.

Again, Louisville has the worse losses but also the better victories. They beat Oregon. To me, that's the difference.

Think a better case can be made against Maryland whose best wins are Northwestern and Indiana twice.

 

[soxfan23]

Maybe it's the looming sanctions coming against your baseball that the cloud your reading but the words I used were "potential wins" and the fact that the committee does not always seed according to an "S" curve. So yes, as the 5 seed, they should be paired with the #4 seed but the committee does use geography. Also, yes, Stanford is the one school left that COULD pass UConn. Will they, I don't think so either but they could by winning the PAC12 title. Kapeche?

"Looming sanctions"? Stop embarrassing yourself!

 

[MSGRET]

"Looming sanctions"? Stop embarrassing yourself!

So which University is cl

Maybe it's the looming sanctions coming against your baseball that the cloud your reading but the words I used were "potential wins" and the fact that the committee does not always seed according to an "S" curve. So yes, as the 5 seed, they should be paired with the #4 seed but the committee does use geography. Also, yes, Stanford is the one school left that COULD pass UConn. Will they, I don't think so either but they could by winning the PAC12 title. Kapeche?

So which University is CLOSER to Oregon? Louisville or UConn. If Louisville is the 2nd #2 seed then they should be the one that travels to Oregon not the other way around.

 

[HuskyNan]

That's total BS, ESPN and the NCAA don't want UConn to get to the final four again. They want someone that hasn't been there for a few years. You are going to tell me that you lose to tOSU, Florida State 2X, and Syracuse and you're going to be ranked higher than UConn.

It’s economics. Louisville can bring fans to Ft Wayne. Why do you think UConn fans scoop up all the tickets when regionals are held in Albany or Bridgeport? We know before the season starts that the Huskies will be placed in that region because they’re going to sell out the arena. We can’t demand our team be placed close to home then complain when the favor is given to others

 

[Sluconn Husky]

It’s economics. Louisville can bring fans to Ft Wayne. Why do you think UConn scoop up all the tickets when regionals are held in Albany or Bridgeport? We know before the season starts that the Huskies will be placed in that region because they’re going to sell out the arena. We can’t demand our team be placed close to home then complain when the favor is given to others

The far worse problem is they're going to set it up where UConn will have to beat all of the "big three" to win the title, an impossible task.

 

[hoopsfan22]

The far worse problem is they're going to set it up where UConn will have to beat all of the "big three" to win the title, an impossible task.

That's what ESPN showed today during the game in their projected brackets. Of course upsets happen, so it may not work out that way.

 

[seeya27]

If it is about economics, then the committee should be pure and straight about it.

"This wasn't about who has the better SOS or RPI or wins against too 25. From that perspective it was undeterminable. It was an economic call, and we determined UL could fill more seats than UConn's fan base. That was our criteria and we stand by it."

But that's not what they will say. They'll force-feed a weak argument and skirt the issue. It is the hypocrisy and disingenuous of the NCAA.

 

[j66kicker]

The far worse problem is they're going to set it up where UConn will have to beat all of the "big three" to win the title, an impossible task.

“They” can’t really set it up any other way unless something pretty weird happens (and it hasn’t been happening today). It’s all our own doing. If we had beaten just one of those “big three”, then at least we would have one good win and would probably be the 4th #1 seed.

 

[hoopsfan22]

If it is about economics, then the committee should be pure and straight about it.

"This wasn't about who has the better SOS or RPI or wins against too 25. From that perspective it was undeterminable. It was an economic call, and we determined UL could fill more seats than UConn's fan base. That was our criteria and we stand by it."

But that's not what they will say. They'll force-feed a weak argument and skirt the issue. It is the hypocrisy and disingenuous of the NCAA.

I agree. Sadly I guess I'm OK with being screwed as long as the person or thing doing the screwing is up front and honest about it.

 

[hoopsfan22]

“They” can’t really set it up any other way unless something pretty weird happens (and it hasn’t been happening today). It’s all our own doing. If we had beaten just one of those “big three”, then at least we would have one good win and would probably be the 4th #1 seed.

Could we get placed in Maryland's bracket and then have Brenda admit that everyone knew that UConn was the real #1 in that regional after she gets beat by UConn again?

 

[Sluconn Husky]

That's what ESPN showed today during the game in their projected brackets. Of course upsets happen, so it may not work out that way.

Big dropoff after those three--tough to find an upset anywhere. For all the talk of parity in the women's game this year, there's gonna be a lot of chalk in the tourney.

 

[Kaizen]

Women basketball games are not as crazy as men's. Most likely upset miracles will not happen. But pray and hope it will happen ...

 

[hoopsfan22]

Big dropoff after those three--tough to find an upset anywhere. For all the talk of parity in the women's game this year, there's gonna be a lot of chalk in the tourney this year.

I don't even know what "a lot of chalk" means, but it doesn't sound good for us.

 

[HuskyNan]

The far worse problem is they're going to set it up where UConn will have to beat all of the "big three" to win the title, an impossible task.

Assuming all three advance. Nothing is a given

 

[Sluconn Husky]

Assuming all three advance. Nothing is a given

Who can knock out any of those three? Only possibilities I see are Louisville, Stanford, and perhaps Maryland. At least two of those teams are going to be opposite brackets of Oregon and Baylor. South Carolina is trouncing teams even when shooting under 40%.

Maybe not a given, but pretty close.

 

[JordyG]

This loss probably means nothing and will keep UConn out west to Portland. However, if OSU can beat Maryland, all bets are off baby.

 

[hoophuskee]

Again, Louisville has the worse losses but also the better victories. They beat Oregon. To me, that's the difference.

Think a better case can be made against Maryland whose best wins are Northwestern and Indiana twice.

Don't agree.

Winning a game in November shouldn't be considered the same as a February win.

UCONN is getting ripped off. But whatever . . .

 

[Sluconn Husky]

Don't agree.

Winning a game in November shouldn't be considered the same as a February win.

UCONN is getting ripped off. But whatever . . .

Beating Oregon is beating Oregon. UConn had that chance and was outplayed.

 

[DefenseBB]

"Looming sanctions"? Stop embarrassing yourself!

My team didn’t cheat, have to fire its coach and then disassemble it’s team. But hey tell yourself what you want. So to borrow a phrase from @triaddukefan every time I refer to RedSoxcheat will be the new moniker.
But we digress on the subject that unfortunately Stanford could pass UConn seeding if they were to win out.
Now as far embarrassing themselves, you’re the knucklehead with a baseball meme on a basketball site...

 

[Sluconn Husky]

No it's not.

Louisville has been taken down twice by one single inferior team. It''s a characteristic that UCONN has been too good to let happen. They haven't dropped down and cowered to such a low level vs teams they should've been better than.

That inferior team--Florida State--is arguably better than any team UConn has beaten all season.

UConn hasn't played a tournament team since losing to South Carolina.

 

[hoophuskee]

That inferior team--Florida State--is arguably better than any team UConn has beaten all season.

UConn hasn't played a tournament team since losing to South Carolina.

You bring up an irrelevant point. The fact is they are inferior.

 

[Sluconn Husky]

You bring up an irrelevant point. The fact is they are inferior.

There's a difference between Florida State and, say, Temple. Both are inferior to Louisville and UConn respectively, but that doesn't make them equal opponents. The only teams UConn has played that are definitely better than Florida State beat the Huskies.

 

[Sluconn Husky]

In addition February games should carry more weight. especially when the supposed top 5 team drops games vs teams they should be quite bit superior too. And what's the excuse for Syracuse? UCONN doesn't play like a sick dog vs teams they should beat. Apparently Louisville has shown a pension to play when they feel like it.

Syracuse is still better than any team UConn has faced since the South Carolina game.

This 'supposed to win' thing is misdirection. FSU is no pushover. They are a top-15 team that's been in the top-10 this year. This is not the same thing as beating the American teams UConn has faced the last four weeks.

And I don't know why you're dismissing early season games. Most of UConn's tough non-conference games take place early each season.

 

[Dawson]

Yeah I mean we're all fans here, but obviously the RPI of the teams UCONN beat are no where near what Maryland or Louisville has played. They had a chance at the top three teams and were blown out in all of those games. They are going to have to prove they can compete against the hardest team (Oregon), but I like their chances in single elimination game.

 

[hoophuskee]

Syracuse is still better than any team UConn has faced since the South Carolina game.

This 'supposed to win' thing is misdirection. FSU is no pushover. They are a top-15 team that's been in the top-10 this year. This is not the same thing as beating the American teams UConn has faced the last four weeks.

And I don't know why you're dismissing early season games. Most of UConn's tough non-conference games take place early each season.

UCONN hasn't lost to a non top 25 team in how long? Eight years? AND how long has it been since a FSU team has beaten them TWICE? It;s nto misdirection. I think what you're doing is trying to pretend that you are being fair. We win games on here and some of the fan base gets upset. Imagine a loss to the teams Louisvile lost to?

I think if there were betting lines - if UCONN wins the next two games-- we'd see how the favorite would be between the 2. ANd it wouldn't be Louisville.

Further if you are going to count strength of schedule-- then how many years would UCONN not have been the top overall seed or 2nd best when they clearly deserved it? How about all the years when Tenn played a tougher sched though uCONN was better?

What you're doing is trying to bring up irrelevant points and forcing them into relevancy. FSU and Syracuse are irrelevant teams.

ANd even your point early season games is tainted with your bias by trying to pretend to be fair. I
'll bring up again to you that Louisville's record this last month is 7-3. UCONN's early season games of now and the past that you try to bring up were not 7-3 so they never showed the characteristic that Louisville has showed by playing like dogs. So it's not even close to being the same as you imply. You're just ignoring facts by pretending to be fair. There would be a reason why UCONN would probably be favored. Because Feb basketball counts more than Nov hoop. And losing to teams much inferior- dogs-- considering you are top-tier is not as good a sign as not losing.

It's one thing to lose one time to a sick dog. But to lose 3 times in a month- February is something UCONN has never done and frankly a top 5 team shouldn't be considered as such if they do. When you are in this elite status of being a 1 seed or extremely close to it-- then 16th ranked teams and below "are dogs." You've even implied a bit about how there isn't much parity among the top 3 or 4, didn't you? This isn't "Men's basketball." The top tier teams are head and shoulders above the rest. If they aren't then they shouldn't be considered top-tier.

Mods will probably get upset with us now by us going back-and-forth so much. So I'l stop-- but you can post last if you wish. I'll read your last post without a reply and let sleeping dogs lie.