Fort Hays State Postgame Thread

[Vowelguy]

Am I the only one who thinks that Ziebell looks like one of the Mabrey sisters at Notre Dame?

Why would you insult someone like that?

 

[ConnecticutBB]

Did anyone read or know why KK got ZERO playing time?

 

[Skeets]

There were about 4-5 botched post entry passes, all of which were due to post players not pinning their defenders on their backs when receiving the entry passes. Jamelle has some work to do in order to clean that up.

All of the passing was atrocious. Geno needs to get the practice players jumping out into the passing lanes. Very sloppy...

 

[oldude]

Did anyone read or know why KK got ZERO playing time?

KK turned her ankle in practice a few days back. Per Geno, she could have played today, but they decided to hold her out so that she’s 100% for the BU game later this week.

 

[Vowelguy]

Did anyone read or know why KK got ZERO playing time?

Some kind of mild injury.

 

[huskeynut]

Some kind of mild injury.

Turned her ankle this past week.

 

[The deacon]

When Azzi is back they will have the shooters and I could see them playing Paige at the 4 again in a 4 guard offense.

Azzi would be icing on the cake. They already have multiple excellent shooters.

 

[Fore!]

Their perimeter defensive rotations gave up too many open looks, something that may bite them in the tush against top teams like ND, USC and the Gamecocks.

 

[Willowglen]

I attended the game in person, and I agree with most of what has been written here. Here are some random observations that I don't think anyone else has offered:

1. The new scoreboards at Gampel are amazing -- I huge video screen of the game in the middle, and a fairly complete box score for each team on either side. But you have to search to find the game score when it isn't being shown on the gamecast.
2. No one commented on the defense, which looked to be in much better order than the offense. Fort Hays wasn't having any luck getting inside, except for offensive rebounds, of which they had 11 (too many).
3. Despite the problems with scoring in the paint, the box score (available at uconnhuskies.com) shows a 42-18 advantage for UConn in points in the paint. Watching the game live, it seemed as if UConn was taking nothing but jump shots, but perhaps that was a false impression. I wouldn't be surprised if UConn's guards had most of the paint points on short jump shots.
4. Paige was 12-for-14 in shooting, and I believe that she made her first 12 shots and missed her last two. Several of her shots would make Jayson Tatum proud if he had made them.
5. Overall, UConn shot 50% (37-74) and help Fort Hays to 29% (18-62). Fifty percent shooting isn't bad for the first game.
6. UConn took 35 3-point shots and made 13 (37%), which are Celtics-like numbers. Even with that good-but-not-great shooting percentage on 3's, the score certainly piled up when they starting going in during the second quarter.
7. Further regarding 3-point shooting, Allie was 2-for-10 and Sarah was 1-for-6. So if you exclude those two nervous freshmen from the total, the remainder of the team shot 10-for-19, over 50%. When those two frosh get their nerves under control and Azzi returns, UConn could start shooting over 40% from 3 on high-volume shooting. It will take a lot of paint points by opponents to overcome that.
8. Regarding Ice, I did not like the fact that UConn's first two shots of the game were jump shot attempts by Ice from outside the paint. I think Geno corrected that at the next timeout, because she did not keep doing that. BUT, UConn got exactly 2 points from its center position: Ice was 0-5 and Jana scored just one field goal on a putback. Neither of them attempted a free throw. In fact, UConn had only 2 free throw attempts for the entire game (both by Qadence late in the game), which reflects the absence of inside offense.
9. Regarding Jana, I would say that she has been badly over-hyped based on this game. She did show herself to be a strong rebounder (9 rebounds in 11 minutes, including 4 offensive rebounds), but she only took one shot. As another poster mentioned, numerous post entry passes were stolen because neither Jana nor Ice sealed off their defenders before the pass came to them. Moreover, Jana's fouling proclivity (4 fouls in 11 minutes of playing time) is an urgent problem that needs to be fixed for UConn to have an adequate presence in the paint.
10. Qadence may be a more critical player than we thought. She was 4-for-8 and 2-for-5 from 3, and got 5 rebounds. She did not seem to be out of position or out of sync with her teammates at any time.
11. Ashlynn played like a senior for all of her 32 minutes. It would have been nice to see KK as well, but Ashlynn is certainly solid at that off-guard position. She had 15 points on 6-11 shooting (3 of 6 from 3), and a team-high 4 steals.
12. Kaitlyn Chen is going to be the point guard on this team, and she is perfectly suited to the role. She had 14 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists vs. 3 turnovers (on those post entry passes that were stolen) in a team-high 35 minutes. A concern is that she and Ice both had 4 fouls.
13. Sarah has NOT been over-hyped. She played calmly and steadily. Apart from her 3-point shooting malaise, she played a strong (no pun intended) 28 minutes with 11 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists vs. 1 turnover, and 2 steals.

I think the inside offense is the only major concern from this exhibition. Hopefully Ayanna and Morgan can be back soon to help with that; they are probably more important to the team at this point than Azzi or KK.

Bueckers played like who she is - the best college player in the country. Can't take her for granted.

I am so impressed with Shade's fitness. When others get tired. she doesn't. She scored a driving lay-up with three minutes left in the first half merely because she was in far better shape and could outrun everyone.

She is the player you want in the last five minutes of the game as everyone starts falling apart. Of course if a rank amateur like me can spot this the coaches indeed know this as well.

Jana doesn't need to score on this team. Needs to think she is Dennis Rodman/Maurice Lucas on defense and in rebounding. She will get cheap baskets doing so too .

 

[JellyBean]

It is an exhibition game, so I only look for two thing, 1). which players are able to play & if those players used the off season to work on their craft. 2). Which of the freshies shows confidence in their game. That is it for me. Those two things. But it was great to see the smiles again of the players today.

 

[hoophuskee]

Jana...power forward. Ice...small forward. I was being lazy.

Jana is a college center but this is game 1. Maybe PF in capability too but I don't believe as much of a PF. She looks like her game is all Center to me at this brief point. The two baskets she had in 2nd half (one called off) were that of a Cetner. PF's tend to get bumped more go flailing or shoot with some sort of urgency more than they should and/or get easily bumped into losing balanace. Her shots despite contested a bit were of ease as was her rebounding but I’ll watch again.

As for Ice. While she doesn't play like PF - she could never be a Small Forward. Right now she should be considered A Stretch 4. and a Center for UCONN's purposes/ stick her tehre force her ot be more physical She doesn’t t seem to have much comfort scoring inside. But as a small forward it would be the combo of she doesn’t shoot well enough to be a 3 or in some cases if a 3 doesn't shoot well enough then they can overcome by penetration and passing. She can't penetrate much as a wing nor is she that good of a passer as a Wing. And she has no shot to defend wings but has the body to defend Power Forwards and Centers.

Off-topic a bit from our discussion: And I read somewhere on here I think some were criticizing Ice of actually taking the outside shots. That’s her strength. She has a very good shot for a big. Were they complaining when she wasn't shooting pretty well vs SoCal and Iowa? You can tell if her season progresses as a big as much as we hope is if she can score on that 1st qtr spin move drive while being contacted. And if she could become a more anticipatory and forceful rebounder.

 

[Huskee11]

I attended the game in person, and I agree with most of what has been written here. Here are some random observations that I don't think anyone else has offered:

1. The new scoreboards at Gampel are amazing -- I huge video screen of the game in the middle, and a fairly complete box score for each team on either side. But you have to search to find the game score when it isn't being shown on the gamecast.
2. No one commented on the defense, which looked to be in much better order than the offense. Fort Hays wasn't having any luck getting inside, except for offensive rebounds, of which they had 11 (too many).
3. Despite the problems with scoring in the paint, the box score (available at uconnhuskies.com) shows a 42-18 advantage for UConn in points in the paint. Watching the game live, it seemed as if UConn was taking nothing but jump shots, but perhaps that was a false impression. I wouldn't be surprised if UConn's guards had most of the paint points on short jump shots.
4. Paige was 12-for-14 in shooting, and I believe that she made her first 12 shots and missed her last two. Several of her shots would make Jayson Tatum proud if he had made them.
5. Overall, UConn shot 50% (37-74) and help Fort Hays to 29% (18-62). Fifty percent shooting isn't bad for the first game.
6. UConn took 35 3-point shots and made 13 (37%), which are Celtics-like numbers. Even with that good-but-not-great shooting percentage on 3's, the score certainly piled up when they starting going in during the second quarter.
7. Further regarding 3-point shooting, Allie was 2-for-10 and Sarah was 1-for-6. So if you exclude those two nervous freshmen from the total, the remainder of the team shot 10-for-19, over 50%. When those two frosh get their nerves under control and Azzi returns, UConn could start shooting over 40% from 3 on high-volume shooting. It will take a lot of paint points by opponents to overcome that.
8. Regarding Ice, I did not like the fact that UConn's first two shots of the game were jump shot attempts by Ice from outside the paint. I think Geno corrected that at the next timeout, because she did not keep doing that. BUT, UConn got exactly 2 points from its center position: Ice was 0-5 and Jana scored just one field goal on a putback. Neither of them attempted a free throw. In fact, UConn had only 2 free throw attempts for the entire game (both by Qadence late in the game), which reflects the absence of inside offense.
9. Regarding Jana, I would say that she has been badly over-hyped based on this game. She did show herself to be a strong rebounder (9 rebounds in 11 minutes, including 4 offensive rebounds), but she only took one shot. As another poster mentioned, numerous post entry passes were stolen because neither Jana nor Ice sealed off their defenders before the pass came to them. Moreover, Jana's fouling proclivity (4 fouls in 11 minutes of playing time) is an urgent problem that needs to be fixed for UConn to have an adequate presence in the paint.
10. Qadence may be a more critical player than we thought. She was 4-for-8 and 2-for-5 from 3, and got 5 rebounds. She did not seem to be out of position or out of sync with her teammates at any time.
11. Ashlynn played like a senior for all of her 32 minutes. It would have been nice to see KK as well, but Ashlynn is certainly solid at that off-guard position. She had 15 points on 6-11 shooting (3 of 6 from 3), and a team-high 4 steals.
12. Kaitlyn Chen is going to be the point guard on this team, and she is perfectly suited to the role. She had 14 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists vs. 3 turnovers (on those post entry passes that were stolen) in a team-high 35 minutes. A concern is that she and Ice both had 4 fouls.
13. Sarah has NOT been over-hyped. She played calmly and steadily. Apart from her 3-point shooting malaise, she played a strong (no pun intended) 28 minutes with 11 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists vs. 1 turnover, and 2 steals.

I think the inside offense is the only major concern from this exhibition. Hopefully Ayanna and Morgan can be back soon to help with that; they are probably more important to the team at this point than Azzi or KK.

I was at the game as well and this summary from JoePgh really nails it. We saw the same things.

Hard to believe that at this point that Paige could surprise to the upside, but she did. Just at a different level than everyone else. Looks stronger.

The arena also surprised to the upside. New scoreboards are big and cool, and it seemed like the lighting features were also improved, and a new big “UCONN” sign at the player introductions.

Q looked quick and confident, sophomore jump. Ash looked like Ash (only in better shape, which is crazy), and Chen looks really good. Not as quick as KK but capable of finding lanes and creating. Mildly surprised we did not see KK, hopefully just protecting her for the opener on Thursday.

Allie will shoot it better and our bigs will play better. Sarah is as advertised. The smaller lineup with Sarah at center was the most effective.

No Nika-level on ball defenders but they all got after it. Sarah is a ballhawk.

KK, Cheli and Azzi warmed up with the team before the game. Azzi looks totally ready, could not get a read on Morgan. Caroline, Aubrey and Ayanna were at the game but did not participate in warmups. Ayanna had the sling on some of the time and off some of the time.

All in all, a fun afternoon. Good crowd considering it was an exhibition.

 

[EricLA]

I attended the game in person, and I agree with most of what has been written here. Here are some random observations that I don't think anyone else has offered:

1. The new scoreboards at Gampel are amazing -- I huge video screen of the game in the middle, and a fairly complete box score for each team on either side. But you have to search to find the game score when it isn't being shown on the gamecast.
2. No one commented on the defense, which looked to be in much better order than the offense. Fort Hays wasn't having any luck getting inside, except for offensive rebounds, of which they had 11 (too many).
3. Despite the problems with scoring in the paint, the box score (available at uconnhuskies.com) shows a 42-18 advantage for UConn in points in the paint. Watching the game live, it seemed as if UConn was taking nothing but jump shots, but perhaps that was a false impression. I wouldn't be surprised if UConn's guards had most of the paint points on short jump shots.
4. Paige was 12-for-14 in shooting, and I believe that she made her first 12 shots and missed her last two. Several of her shots would make Jayson Tatum proud if he had made them.
5. Overall, UConn shot 50% (37-74) and help Fort Hays to 29% (18-62). Fifty percent shooting isn't bad for the first game.
6. UConn took 35 3-point shots and made 13 (37%), which are Celtics-like numbers. Even with that good-but-not-great shooting percentage on 3's, the score certainly piled up when they starting going in during the second quarter.
7. Further regarding 3-point shooting, Allie was 2-for-10 and Sarah was 1-for-6. So if you exclude those two nervous freshmen from the total, the remainder of the team shot 10-for-19, over 50%. When those two frosh get their nerves under control and Azzi returns, UConn could start shooting over 40% from 3 on high-volume shooting. It will take a lot of paint points by opponents to overcome that.
8. Regarding Ice, I did not like the fact that UConn's first two shots of the game were jump shot attempts by Ice from outside the paint. I think Geno corrected that at the next timeout, because she did not keep doing that. BUT, UConn got exactly 2 points from its center position: Ice was 0-5 and Jana scored just one field goal on a putback. Neither of them attempted a free throw. In fact, UConn had only 2 free throw attempts for the entire game (both by Qadence late in the game), which reflects the absence of inside offense.
9. Regarding Jana, I would say that she has been badly over-hyped based on this game. She did show herself to be a strong rebounder (9 rebounds in 11 minutes, including 4 offensive rebounds), but she only took one shot. As another poster mentioned, numerous post entry passes were stolen because neither Jana nor Ice sealed off their defenders before the pass came to them. Moreover, Jana's fouling proclivity (4 fouls in 11 minutes of playing time) is an urgent problem that needs to be fixed for UConn to have an adequate presence in the paint.
10. Qadence may be a more critical player than we thought. She was 4-for-8 and 2-for-5 from 3, and got 5 rebounds. She did not seem to be out of position or out of sync with her teammates at any time.
11. Ashlynn played like a senior for all of her 32 minutes. It would have been nice to see KK as well, but Ashlynn is certainly solid at that off-guard position. She had 15 points on 6-11 shooting (3 of 6 from 3), and a team-high 4 steals.
12. Kaitlyn Chen is going to be the point guard on this team, and she is perfectly suited to the role. She had 14 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists vs. 3 turnovers (on those post entry passes that were stolen) in a team-high 35 minutes. A concern is that she and Ice both had 4 fouls.
13. Sarah has NOT been over-hyped. She played calmly and steadily. Apart from her 3-point shooting malaise, she played a strong (no pun intended) 28 minutes with 11 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists vs. 1 turnover, and 2 steals.

I think the inside offense is the only major concern from this exhibition. Hopefully Ayanna and Morgan can be back soon to help with that; they are probably more important to the team at this point than Azzi or KK.

This^^^

People with blinders on who are like "oh this is just an exhibition game". Well I don't care how good Ft Hayes will be in DIVISION 2 - there were times we simply could not run any effective offense. Yet again, relying on Paige to bail us out. 2 of the quarters were terrific. 2 of them substandard. In fairness, Ft Hayes played some VERY stout defense...

I don't believe in throwing out the baby with the bathwater, but Joe nailed it in his comments. Ice seems to have regressed - what's the opposite of a sophomore leap? Whatever it is, she showed it this game. And Jana - all the hype comments I read about from Geno - was he talking about the same player we saw today? Those 2 need a LOT of work. And Allie - I guess shooters need to keep shooting, but she was ... not good today.

On the flip side - Paige was in NPOY form in just her first preseason game. Ash certainly was everything we could have hoped for and more (ie. sophomore leap). Anyone who thinks Chen isn't starting, and going to play substantial minutes, needs to think again. KK will be a tempo changer, but Chen is going to be special. Sarah didn't do anything super flashy, but boy is she a very very good all around player. Q had some head-scratching moments (bad passes, ill timed shots, poor defense, etc.), but her Q4 play (no pun intended) should earn her more minutes next game.

And to be fair, we only played 8 today. Morgan was not available, Azzi is almost ready to come back, and I think KK was just held out for precaution, so that will give us 11. No idea about Carol, Aubrey, Yanna, but 11 is really good.

Overall I'd give the post play a C- and the guard/wing play an A-. The only reason the post didn't get a "D" is because Sarah, Ash, and Paige all spent some time scoring in the post and they were effective (mostly)...

 

[Dugway]

UConn+ “The Wax”, streaming gets a D- in my opinion. I gave up with that.

 

[victor64]

I used to tell my players' parents at the start of the year meeting to expect the team to play poorly in the scrimmages and early games. It takes the players a bit to figure out what needs to happen.

I agree with most of the concerns in the previous posts. I also think all the concerns are fixable.

Stuff I learned today:

Ziebell, at least for right now, must have the green light to shoot when open. She shot an airball today. I wonder how many more she shoots in her career. I guess less than five.

I hope Strong doesn't have to play the 5. She could handle it of course but she can be so effective on the perimeter on both ends of the floor.

They didn't bring Chen in to be a backup. She played well today but I have seen her dominate. She shouldn't have to but she can.

I am hoping that the best five does not include four guards like last year..

On paper, this group is loaded with high quality guards which would imply that Shade should log fewer minutes this year. I hope the minutes diminish but she is vital to this team's success going forward.

 

[yhun89]

Keep in mind about our defense:

KK and Aubrey were both out. Easily two of our fastest/most athletic defenders.

 

[UcMiami]

Any team if they want to can take away the paint, including a D2 team. Most of the time that Uconn tried to pass inside there were three people guarding the paint, making completing the pass difficult, and doing anything if it actually connected even harder. The only way to change that is to hit outside shots, which Uconn did. Problem is FHS wasn't trying to win, they were just trying not to be embarrassed so they kept clogging the paint all game.

As for the rest - great to watch this team play again.
Paige superb
Chen looked really good
Ashley was throwin the shade
Q started soft, but came on well in the second half
Allie hopefully just nerves
Jana as advertised - raw, big, moves pretty well.
Strong looked comfortable out there
Ice I thought played well and didn't force things, I guess I am alone in that thinking.

FYI - Grad student Hollenbeck is 6'3" with long arms and is FHS's best player. 3 blocks and 9 points. And she was getting a lot of help defending our bigs.

 

[Bone Dog]

Lots of good comments here. I wish I'd been there in person.

From what I could see through the TV tube, Paige is transcendent, even more confident than last season. After 19 pts in the first half, she seemed to be actively trying not to score to give the others more opportunities. She is primed for a NPOY season.

Ice looked skittish about mixing it up in the low post. I imagine she's really hoping Jana takes that burden off her. The problem for her is that Sarah looks to be a better high-post and perimeter player than her already. Also, both Sarah and Jana are willing to drive the lane and I haven't seen Ice show a similar willingness. She's in a bit of a no-man's-land currently with the way she seems to think about her role.

Jana is so rusty I could barely recognize her. The big kid who played in the FIBA games last summer was almost nowhere in evidence. I hope she finds that player again soon. She tried a drive down the lane and lost the ball. I was glad to see the drive -- that's her old spirit -- but her handle is too rusty to pull it off just now. She has a lot of work to do. Her rebounding was excellent -- a number of "Mine!" rebounds. Her defense was okay but way too foul prone. She needs to move her feet more than her hands on defense.

I loved Q's offense. She hit some 3s, rebounded, slashed to the rim, and didn't look as lost on defense as last season. Geno has her occasionally at the top of the key as a passer, but her passing is not nearly crisp enough yet. Too many tentative passes, a few turnovers as a result (though not credited to her they were caused by her) -- if she's going to play at the high post, her passing needs to improve.

Ash is feeling it. After a slow start with a couple of sloppy fouls, she pulled it together and scorched the net, drove the lane, ran in transition, played good defense. 4 steals!

Kaitlyn looks like a veteran. Her passing is a bit rusty, and maybe her instincts aren't yet attuned to the new team situation. At Princeton, I think she would have jacked up more shots. But here, her task is to create a balanced offense. Give her a few games and she'll have it figured out.

Sarah also looks like a veteran. She is already everything I expected from her, even if her perimeter shot didn't drop, it will soon enough. 11 pts could easily have been 20, and this wasn't from hogging the ball. As soon as Jana and Ice recover themselves, she will be a huge assistance to them. And she will take so much pressure off Paige and Ash and Azzi -- their jobs will be so much easier just because Sarah is on the court.

Allie is a shooter, but not yet a UConn level defender. Still, there are already signs that she can figure this out, like a steal in the paint and a block. She mainly needs to work on getting to her spots, switching crisply, etc.

It's also important to remember that this is a reduced roster. Only 8 were ready to play. 6 more are on the way, and this ought to take a lot of the pressure off the freshmen.

 

[mainerhuski]

I tend to look at these games more critically than most. I keep asking myself, "why did Paige miss two shots?"

I thought she was fouled on the 1 2-pointer she missed, but no call probably as the game was a runaway by then.

 

[mainerhuski]

Did anyone read or know why KK got ZERO playing time?

I read that she had turned her ankle at practice recently. No need to not rest that ankle today.

 

[ThisJustIn]

Low post scoring is becoming a thing of the past in basketball, at all levels. Our team seems to be pretty well positioned to take advantage of this trend.

A'ja, Stewie or JJ would beg to differ...

 

[jdote33]

Just watched the game on UConn +. I missed how we got the first ten points. Anyways I liked what I saw. I was worried when I saw the first quarter score and the box score before actually watching. After watching I feel like everyone got great shots but just missed, aside from Paige. I think Chen played pretty well. I thought her defense was ok, and she had some turnovers but I thought she very much looked like the player that we saw at Princeton. I also heard the post game interview before I watched and there was a question regarding ice and Jana's outing which sounded very critical. After watching I actually didn't think Jana looked bad. I actually thought she would struggle defensively based on her fiba performance. I remember watching the games live a couple summers ago and several people commenting on her effort. I thought the effort was there. I didn't get some of the fouls. But I did love the rebounding. I also didn't see her get a lot of touches in spots where she could even be aggressive. So with 1 shot, I'm not really mad at that. Ice had some nice passes. With Ice, I worry about her offensively. I thought she came in as a smooth scoring big, but I feel like she's lost a bit of confidence . Q played pretty well. I wonder how much we see Z in big games. I think she's ready for it. I don't think it's a competition thing, even in fiba she can be somewhat streaky. But she took all the right shots today. Paige was pretty great.

 

[hoophuskee]

This^^^

People with blinders on who are like "oh this is just an exhibition game". Well I don't care how good Ft Hayes will be in DIVISION 2 - there were times we simply could not run any effective offense. Yet again, relying on Paige to bail us out. 2 of the quarters were terrific. 2 of them substandard. In fairness, Ft Hayes played some VERY stout defense...

As you say "you don't care . . ." Well, I don't are for these posters that think you need to play 4 quarters of high quality play for such a young team trying to learn an offense that isn't easy to learn this early in their career. And anyone if they are going after Jana - if they are doing that is complete lunacy imo. Yeah like Tina and Stef early on never had 2 point games or similar vs weak opponents. Anyone that believes they didn't then I have a bridge to sell them.

As for Paige - she is supposed to bail UCONN out. That's why there shouldn’t be such panic from some such as suggesting "Ice has regressed" after drawing a conclusion after 1 game. My God what must have some of you been saying after the 1st month or so last year? Paige allows this team to not panic unlike fans that regularlry do (if not 2 quarters it will be one qtr or it will be a 5 minute stretch or even a play the panicked fan will go off and say things like if you make that play all the time vs this team then how are you going to beat that team etc). Paige a;llows this team to build up and develop chemistry which contrary to some public opinion it can't be generated after just a few week’s of practice and either no games or a few. Haven't most of UCONN's greatest teams been built on experience? Now all of a sudden that no longer nmatters?

That's why there is a reason why chemistry is important. There is a reason why experience is important. I believe many of us will agree that the more a talented team plays together, the more experience and chemistry they will gain, then overall the better they will eventually perform. Until such time some of you are just going to have to be miserable and have to suffer by having to watch Poor Paige bail us out. And whenever we lose a potential/probable game because 18/19/20 year old's aren't perfect some of you can do what you like to do and that's dump on "Passive Paige" etc. because how dare she turned down two shots playing 40 minutes of contested ball vs other good, well-coached teams.

 

[Bigboote]

Bright orange ear plugs…

Thank you. I was hoping she was past that.