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doggydaddy said:
Which foul hurts more, the ones on Abuke? Or the ones on Dolson? I vote Dolson.

I think the lousy call on Banks hurt more as well.
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in your corner, dude. all bad calls hurt, especially the ones against us
 
RadyLady said:
in your corner, dude. all bad calls hurt, especially the ones against us
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I know!!!! You always are!

I'm always amazed how fast people reply to posts.
 
pap49cba said:
A flop is a flop. It is trying to game the system and there is no place for it.
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The point regarding last night's game is there weren't very many plain old flops. Someone who didn't watch the game might get the impression from this thread that flopping was rampant. It wasn't. And my second take on a RE-watch of the game is that the reffing was generally no worse than most women's games, which should not be taken to mean I think it was great. In fact, the refs basically got out of the way in the 2nd half.
 
It wasn't only because the calls stopped after the phantom elbow to the face and the video was reviewed with 4" of clearance and the bloom was off the rose.
 
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Those of you who didn't see many flops need to watch the game again, for a third time. Sims and Robertson were on the floor like a coat of wax, sorry to say. Yes, we committed fouls, but there were key fouls that put UConn in a tough situation. Sims's three on Brianna's foul was a joke. She was falling back as she shot the ball. There was no contact. That said, we still won at their place. Way to go Huskies.
 
Sorry, but it is not good officiating when they call a bunch of touch fouls in one half and basically none in the second half. How are players supposed to adjust to that?
 
pap - I really felt part of that was the review of the last flop of the first half - the 'flagrant?' foul on KML. Got to be a bit of an eye opener to realize you just got made a total fool on national TV by a college kid.
Somehow it would be nice to be able to assess a 'Flagrant Bad Acting Job' technical, but I suspect already overmatched officials would screw that one up too. Part of the problem is players get off balance all the time and fall to the ground with or without help from opponents so a player going to the ground is not necessarily a flop. The ones that should be called are the ones that take drama to the extreme, with arms flailing head snapping around and body prat falling as if hit by a mack truck. And that can happen after actual fouls - not a good enough picture to tell if either KML or BB touched Sims on those two threes, but it looked like Tyson had just landed an uppercut on her one each time.
 
UcMiami said:
pap - I really felt part of that was the review of the last flop of the first half - the 'flagrant?' foul on KML. Got to be a bit of an eye opener to realize you just got made a total fool on national TV by a college kid.
Somehow it would be nice to be able to assess a 'Flagrant Bad Acting Job' technical, but I suspect already overmatched officials would screw that one up too. Part of the problem is players get off balance all the time and fall to the ground with or without help from opponents so a player going to the ground is not necessarily a flop. The ones that should be called are the ones that take drama to the extreme, with arms flailing head snapping around and body prat falling as if hit by a mack truck. And that can happen after actual fouls - not a good enough picture to tell if either KML or BB touched Sims on those two threes, but it looked like Tyson had just landed an uppercut on her one each time.
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You can bet that Mulkey put that thought in the ears of the officials before the game started.
 
doggydaddy said:
You can bet that Mulkey put that thought in the ears of the officials before the game started.
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And perhaps Geno had something to say on the way to the locker room at halftime.
 
[That said, Mulkey's daughter spent more time on the floor than on her feet. I started counting each time she fell and then gave up because she did it so much it was distracting me from watching the game.[/quote]

Well, MacKenzie is a big name is shoulder. Just sayin.
 
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There was a very funny one in the second half (flop, no foul called) when Moriah was running past a pick by Baylor's center near the top of the key, and Moriah was six feet past her when the very big center _slowly_ fell to the ground.

I didn't think Baylor got any advantage from the flopping after the refs reviewed the video of KML's elbow foul. I figure it was just obvious from that what was going on.

It seemed strange that the announcers never commented on it, but I suppose they felt it would reflect badly on the women's game. I think it reflects worse on the game to pretend it isn't happening.
 
Grayjay said:
There was a very funny one in the second half (flop, no foul called) when Moriah was running past a pick by Baylor's center near the top of the key, and Moriah was six feet past her when the very big center _slowly_ fell to the ground.
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I remember that play...my wife and I noticed it when we watching the replay...that play really confirmed for me that the flopping was part of the game plan for Baylor. As I said in my original post, it's time to consider technicals for players caught doing this. The official would have to be pretty sure to call a technical, but a few technicals here and there and it would stop pretty quickly. When I first posted about this, I thought it might have been Maj Forsberg who was duped the most, but after watching the replay Dickerson got fooled at least twice as well. One was the absurd call against Mosqueda-Lewis near the end of the first half. There was also another lame attempt to flop by Sims in the second half that went uncalled. I really believe that when the officials were reviewing the Mosqueda-Lewis foul was the point that they realized they were being played.

As pap49cba said 'It is trying to game the system and there is no place for it.'
 
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