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ZooCougar said:
I hear you, but it never worked that way for the BE, why would it be different for the AAC?
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It did work for the BE. Just ask WVU and UL.

It just didn't reach our satisfaction. ESPN slighted the BE as well as fans around the country. But as I explained earlier, teams from the BE got chosen for the CR and I believe teams from the AAC will also get chosen. We need the top 3 team's records to be 12-0, 11-1 and 10-2. We also need to be one of those 3 teams every year.

If the top 3 teams have records like that, and beat teams from the P5, we can be looked at as a top heavy conference with a very weak group below it.

Get to a big bowl game and win. WVU got credit, the BE as a whole didn't.
 
Because everything seems to kick UCONN in the nuts in the CR world, a UCF win tonight would do one of two things:

1. UCF instantly leapfrogs UCONN for the next ticket out of the AAC
2. ESPiN and national media will say "well, Baylor wasn't used to the big game. It's not like UCF beat Texas or OU."

I'm just meh on the whole idea that this game means as much as some think it does for UCONN. I've said it before and I'll state again: UCONN is on a 3-5 year B1G plan (there is NO way we are going to the ACC with so many enemies in that conference):

- gain AAU membership
- become competitive in football again
- prove basketball standing post-APR
- increase endowment
- hope UCONN fans continue to support UCONN in numbers so venue expansion/improvements can be carried out and TV contracts will become more attractive

I think what UCONN has done in 2013 has made some good steps towards these goals. 2014 will be an important year to get the ball rolling. I really think our only hope for a life raft out of the AAC is through the B1G conference. I don't think UCF is on the B1G radar whatsoever (they might get a ticket to the B12 or ACC). We might not be on the B1G's radar right now either. I sure hope we are. But it looks like we're angling hardest to be in the B1G so that's what I'm rooting for.
 
sportsart said:
It did work for the BE. Just ask WVU and UL.

It just didn't reach our satisfaction. ESPN slighted the BE as well as fans around the country. But as I explained earlier, teams from the BE got chosen for the CR and I believe teams from the AAC will also get chosen. We need the top 3 team's records to be 12-0, 11-1 and 10-2. We also need to be one of those 3 teams every year.

If the top 3 teams have records like that, and beat teams from the P5, we can be looked at as a top heavy conference with a very weak group below it.

Get to a big bowl game and win. WVU got credit, the BE as a whole didn't.
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Which is exactly why I don't care what happens with UCF. If anything it's better for us if they lose.
 
“@TimGriffinBig12: Tonight's Fiesta Bowl crowd of 65,172 today is smallest for Fiesta Bowl since 1997 and smallest ever for FB since moving to U of P Stadium”
 
sportsart said:
Get to a big bowl game and win. WVU got credit, the BE as a whole didn't.
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I think this sums up what Zoo and I are trying to say. WVU and UL won their BCS games but did it help the Big East/AAC? Not one bit. It got them tickets out of this hell though and that's what I'd be afraid of happening should UCF become some sort of instant football darling. And if UCF gets tapped out of the AAC before UCONN (I don't' care what conference taps them), I'll be p1ssed.
 
Dooley said:
I think this sums up what Zoo and I are trying to say. WVU and UL won their BCS games but did it help the Big East/AAC? Not one bit. It got them tickets out of this hell though and that's what I'd be afraid of happening should UCF become some sort of instant football darling. And if UCF gets tapped out of the AAC before UCONN (I don't' care what conference taps them), I'll be p1ssed.
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You are 1000% correct. It would be better for UConn if it's conference completely sucked. That would really impress the ACC and Big 10.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
You are 1000% correct. It would be better for UConn if it's conference completely sucked. That would really impress the ACC and Big 10.
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Guess what? UCONN's conference already sucks. But if a UCF win tonight means that UCONN beating them in 2014 will look all the more impressive, then go Knights. Because we all know that conference mates always work together in the best interest of the conference as a whole and backstabbing/back-channel politicking NEVER happens.
 
Dooley said:
I think this sums up what Zoo and I are trying to say. WVU and UL won their BCS games but did it help the Big East/AAC? Not one bit. It got them tickets out of this hell though and that's what I'd be afraid of happening should UCF become some sort of instant football darling. And if UCF gets tapped out of the AAC before UCONN (I don't' care what conference taps them), I'll be p1ssed.
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My exact point is winning may get us a ticket out. UCF wins consistently and we beat them consistently it's good for us. Root for the conference, root for the teams...whatever you want to call it. Our strength of schedule means something.

I'm not talking about one game. If UCF wins tonight it's not getting them a ticket out. They win tonight and win their OOC games in the coming years and they win the AAC for a couple of years...then maybe. We need them to win all their games except when we play them.
 
Being the King of a good conference = promising future
Being the King of a crappy conference = nobody cares
Being the court jester of a good conference = nobody cares
Being the court jester of a crappy conference = nobody cares

There is only one scenario where people across the nation will give a about UConn football, and it involves our conference doing well and us becoming the king of it. If people don't see how both elements HAVE TO BE THERE for the equation to work, then I don't know what else to say...
 
UConnDan97 said:
Being the King of a good conference = promising future
Being the King of a crappy conference = nobody cares
Being the court jester of a good conference = nobody cares
Being the court jester of a crappy conference = nobody cares

There is only one scenario where people across the nation will give a about UConn football, and it involves our conference doing well and us becoming the king of it. If people don't see how both elements HAVE TO BE THERE for the equation to work, then I don't know what else to say...
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Well, the AAC will never be considered a good conference. So I guess we should just worry about UConn.
 
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ZooCougar said:
Well, the AAC will never be considered a good conference. So I guess we should just worry about UConn.
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They will if they always win big bowl games against the top teams from the "P5". You and I both know that. Or at least I know that, and you SHOULD know that.

For all the crap that the Big East caught, we were always compared to the ACC and NEVER to the Mountain West or C-USA. To the point where I got to watch idiots like Adelson and Dinich faux-battle on ESPN blogs about which conference was better. That's the goal yet again; to distance ourselves from the have-nots and get back into the conversation with the haves. I can't be clearer than that, and if you don't agree, that's fine. It would be wrong, but it would be fine. Bortles for the touchdown...
 
ZooCougar said:
Well, the AAC will never be considered a good conference. So I guess we should just worry about UConn.
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Unless they consistently win big games. God damn you're negative
 
ZooCougar said:
Well, the AAC will never be considered a good conference. So I guess we should just worry about UConn.
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If our conference is better than the non P5 conferences, we will be considered a good conference. We won't ever be a great or very good conference. When the top 3 teams of a conference consistently beat P5 teams then that conference will be considered a good conference.

UCF beat PSU and lost by 3 to South Carolina. If they beat Baylor (now up by 14 in the 4th) UCF will get credit as being a borderline very good team. If they do it again and Cincy does the same and another team steps up and does the same. We will be in a good conference.
 
Look, I like you guys and respect your opinions. I just have a different opinion about this than you do. Rutgers/Pitt/Cuse were definitely not kings of their old conference and their old conference was definitely not viewed nationally as being good. CR is dog eat dog and if somebody from the B12 or ACC called UCF tomorrow, they'd pick up that phone, say yes, and hang up before anybody changed their minds. Winning the Fiesta tonight won't get UCF into a new conference over night, I realize. But it certainly helps their argument to get on an escape pod.

I think we all agree that UCONN needs to start winning football games in 2014. Wins over BYU, Boise, UCF, Cincinnati, etc would certainly help out our perception. Losses to Temple, SMU, and USF (again) would still suck big time no matter what happens to UCF tonight.
 
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Dooley said:
Look, I like you guys and respect your opinions. I just have a different opinion about this than you do. Rutgers/Pitt/Cuse were definitely not kings of their old conference and their old conference was definitely not viewed nationally as being good. CR is dog eat dog and if somebody from the B12 or ACC called UCF tomorrow, they'd pick up that phone, say yes, and hang up before anybody changed their minds. Winning the Fiesta tonight won't get UCF into a new conference over night, I realize. But it certainly helps their argument to get on an escape pod.

I think we all agree that UCONN needs to start winning football games in 2014. Wins over BYU, Boise, UCF, Cincinnati, etc would certainly help out our perception. Losses to Temple, SMU, and USF (again) would still suck big time no matter what happens to UCF tonight.
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Let me just ask you a simple question, in order to test your beliefs on this thing. Do you believe that it's easier for a winning UConn team (it has to be a winning team, of course) to be ranked in the AP top 25 if our conference mates are viewed as weak? Or as strong?

It's really the simplest way to get at what I'm talking about, and I can't imagine for the life of me why some of you would answer any other way than reality. I respect you, so I know you'll get what I'm saying on that (and you'll answer correctly)... ;)
 
What was the Over on this game? By the looks of it, 100 seems to be a conservative number.
 
sportsart said:
If our conference is better than the non P5 conferences, we will be considered a good conference. We won't ever be a great or very good conference. When the top 3 teams of a conference consistently beat P5 teams then that conference will be considered a good conference.

UCF beat PSU and lost by 3 to South Carolina. If they beat Baylor (now up by 14 in the 4th) UCF will get credit as being a borderline very good team. If they do it again and Cincy does the same and another team steps up and does the same. We will be in a good conference.
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I hear what you are trying to say, but them being a borderline good team has almost no impact on what happens next fall. We beat a team that won a BCS bowl last season. It literally did nothing for us.

All of what you are saying makes perfect sense from a theoretical standpoint, but in reality the whole trickle down just never happens.
 
Dooley said:
Look, I like you guys and respect your opinions. I just have a different opinion about this than you do. Rutgers/Pitt/Cuse were definitely not kings of their old conference and their old conference was definitely not viewed nationally as being good. CR is dog eat dog and if somebody from the B12 or ACC called UCF tomorrow, they'd pick up that phone, say yes, and hang up before anybody changed their minds. Winning the Fiesta tonight won't get UCF into a new conference over night, I realize. But it certainly helps their argument to get on an escape pod.

I think we all agree that UCONN needs to start winning football games in 2014. Wins over BYU, Boise, UCF, Cincinnati, etc would certainly help out our perception. Losses to Temple, SMU, and USF (again) would still suck big time no matter what happens to UCF tonight.
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I think people are a bit confused. I don't remember the media saying we were a bad conference. They would say we were not as good as the P5. WVU and UL got credit for being good teams.

There's a difference when someone says our conference is not as good as the P5 compared to saying the Big East was a bad conference. Maybe I've missed it and the media said the Big East was a bad conference.
 
ZooCougar said:
We beat a team that won a BCS bowl last season. It literally did nothing for us.
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Because we were 5-7!!!

If we ended up 12-1, with that win, we would have been ranked well into the top15 and perhaps the top10. Northern Illinois, with that same 12-1 record, was ranked #23. Get it???
 
UConnDan97 said:
Let me just ask you a simple question, in order to test your beliefs on this thing. Do you believe that it's easier for a winning UConn team (it has to be a winning team, of course) to be ranked in the AP top 25 if our conference mates are viewed as weak? Or as strong?

It's really the simplest way to get at what I'm talking about, and I can't imagine for the life of me why some of you would answer any other way than reality. I respect you, so I know you'll get what I'm saying on that (and you'll answer correctly)... ;)
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Of course strong. But I also think good OOC scheduling would help out any effort to being ranked. As it stands now, I'm guessing that UCF, Cincinnati and maybe Houston are viewed as being strong/decent. So I think UCONN needs to beat or compete toe to toe with BYU and Boise too. Plus go down to the Bronx and whip up on Army in front of 50K insane UCONN fans.
 
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UConnDan97 said:
Let me just ask you a simple question, in order to test your beliefs on this thing. Do you believe that it's easier for a winning UConn team (it has to be a winning team, of course) to be ranked in the AP top 25 if our conference mates are viewed as weak? Or as strong?

It's really the simplest way to get at what I'm talking about, and I can't imagine for the life of me why some of you would answer any other way than reality. I respect you, so I know you'll get what I'm saying on that (and you'll answer correctly)... ;)
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The OOC records will have a far greater impact on that than our conference quality. It literally doesn't matter if our conference is a dumpster fire or not.

Do you realize that in one season, 5 of 8 BE teams were ranked in top he top 25. It may have actually been 6.

It literally did nothing for perception. Nothing at all.

So relax feel free to root against whoever you please, guilt free.
 
ZooCougar said:
I hear what you are trying to say, but them being a borderline good team has almost no impact on what happens next fall. We beat a team that won a BCS bowl last season. It literally did nothing for us.

All of what you are saying makes perfect sense from a theoretical standpoint, but in reality the whole trickle down just never happens.
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If we had followed up our beating UL and then them beating Florida, with an 11-1 year and a BCS Bowl appearance vs Baylor and winning, people would take notice and say we were a good team.

I'm talking over a 3-5 year period. Dominate the conference, win your OOC game and win a big bowl game. We can do that in the AAC. Rutgers can't do that in the B1G.
 
Dooley said:
Of course strong. But I also think good OOC scheduling would help out any effort to being ranked. As it stands now, I'm guessing that UCF, Cincinnati and maybe Houston are viewed as being strong/decent. So I think UCONN needs to beat or compete toe to toe with BYU and Boise too. Plus go down to the Bronx and whip up on Army in front of 50K insane UCONN fans.
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Absolutely! We have to be a winning program again, no doubt about it. I'm with you there, brother! But like I said, if people feel like we are the MAC or C-USA, they will give us "Northern Illinois-type" respect....which is to say, no respect at all...
 
ZooCougar said:
The OOC records will have a far greater impact on that than our conference quality. It literally doesn't matter if our conference is a dumpster fire or not.

Do you realize that in one season, 5 of 8 BE teams were ranked in top he top 25. It may have actually been 6.

It literally did nothing for perception. Nothing at all.

So relax feel free to root against whoever you please, guilt free.
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The person to whom my question was addressed answered it correctly. However, you can continue to feel free to be stubborn about the reality of the situation, guilt free...because you don't root for Northern Illinois...
 
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