Feb SI has prominent mention of UConn & Shabazzonn

[seeya27]

In Senator Cory Booker's article on his Senate legislation to create a College Athletes Bill of Rights, Shabazz is pictured in a half-page photo -- and in the article specifically speaking of his interview about "going to bed hungry."

I know he spoke about the "hungry Huskies" after the '14 natty, but I always assumed that was an inference to the tournament penalty UConn received in 2013.

Anyone know of the interview where he said that?

What kind of sick system ever allowed this to happen?

 

[JakeTheDog]

Link

 

[HuskyV]

His initial quote was definitely about the ncaa penalties.

Stupid reporters chased him down a rabbit hole pursuing the wrong narrative. It was gutsy for Shabazz to call out the NCAA for their poor behavior. For months after people were talking about athletes being hunger, rather than the real injustice of the penalties paid by UConn players, coaches and fans.

Years later talking about hunger, when ncaa's terrible rules and uneven/inept enforcement was the real story.


"Let me get your attention. Ladies & gentlemen, you are looking at the Hungry Huskies. This what happens when you ban us. Last year. Two years. We worked so hard for it. Two years and hungry. Hungry Huskies!!"

 

[CL82]

Bazz did say that he didn't have cash for extra meals and sometimes he went to bed hungry, but that was after three meals and snack. When I was his age I was hungry all the time too and probably with only a fraction of his calorie needs.

 

[HuskyV]

College kids on a meal plan have unlimited access to food 3 times a day, probably 6am to 6pm. I would hope that the UConn hoop training table was well stocked in 2014.

And we all ordered pizza or a late night Sub.

 

[BlueMAB]

College kids on a meal plan have unlimited access to food 3 times a day, probably 6am to 6pm. I would hope that the UConn hoop training table was well stocked in 2014.

And we all ordered pizza or a late night Sub.

I think his point was he didn’t have money for pizza or a late night sub.

 

[scuba lou]

If I remember he mentioned by the time he got home from basketball activities all of his school food options were closed.

 

[NJHusky]

I think his point was he didn’t have money for pizza or a late night sub.

Many kids who really r that poor get pell grants too. At least they did 15 years ago

 

[BlueMAB]

Many kids who really r that poor get pell grants too. At least they did 15 years ago

And many kids who “really” ( ) are that poor send the money home so their family can pay rent, keep the lights on, or put food on the table.

 

[MilliniumPrince]

I think his point was he didn’t have money for pizza or a late night sub.

This is correct.

 

[HooperScooper]

Many kids who really r that poor get pell grants too. At least they did 15 years ago

Can you get a Pell Grant if you are on full scholarship?

 

[NJHusky]

Can you get a Pell Grant if you are on full scholarship?

You could in the past and i know the Fb players got them

 

[CL82]

You could in the past and i know the Fb players got them

Calhoun has mentioned them as a way to get players cash.

 

[HuskylnSC]

College kids on a meal plan have unlimited access to food 3 times a day, probably 6am to 6pm. I would hope that the UConn hoop training table was well stocked in 2014.

And we all ordered pizza or a late night Sub.

NCAA rules were restrictive on what Scholarship athletes can be give. For example they were allowed one snack. If the chose a bagel, they could not put cream cheese on the bagel. That was a violation of NCAA guidelines. UConn being on probation operated under all the guidelines. Because of Shabazz's comments the NCAA was embarrassed enough to take into consideration the extra impact on athletes and changed their rules. Just one more reason the NCAA hates UConn.

 

[HuskylnSC]

In Senator Cory Booker's article on his Senate legislation to create a College Athletes Bill of Rights, Shabazz is pictured in a half-page photo -- and in the article specifically speaking of his interview about "going to bed hungry."

I know he spoke about the "hungry Huskies" after the '14 natty, but I always assumed that was an inference to the tournament penalty UConn received in 2013.

Anyone know of the interview where he said that?

What kind of sick system ever allowed this to happen?

The system is called the NCAA

 

[BlueMAB]

Can you get a Pell Grant if you are on full scholarship?

Yes. it's roughly $5k/year and is need-based. However, it's not a solution to the NIL problem.

1) All of the players aren't eligible. So a star athlete who helps increase revenues, but whose parent(s) isn't/aren't living in poverty isn't eligible.
2) Pell grants come from the federal government, meaning the taxpayers, why should taxpayers subsidize athletes in lieu of the NCAA allowing them to earn their own income?

These aren't the only two arguments against the Pell Grant being a solution to the NIL problem.

 

[NJHusky]

Yes. it's roughly $5k/year and is need-based. However, it's not a solution to the NIL problem.

1) All of the players aren't eligible. So a star athlete who helps increase revenues, but whose parent(s) isn't/aren't living in poverty isn't eligible.
2) Pell grants come from the federal government, meaning the taxpayers, why should taxpayers subsidize athletes in lieu of the NCAA allowing them to earn their own income?

These aren't the only two arguments against the Pell Grant being a solution to the NIL problem.

Not saying it's a solution, nor taking a side on paying/not paying college athletes, but...

Pell grants are now over 6,300 per year. That's over 500/month and plenty of cash for a college kid who has everything covered IMO....so saying kids don't have any pocket money is probably mostly BS.

 

[Greedo]

If I remember he mentioned by the time he got home from basketball activities all of his school food options were closed.

I graduated in 2012, so I overlapped with Shabazz and these comments confused me then and confuse me now. A meal plan allowed you to have unlimited access to the dining halls to have as many meals as you wanted. Certain dining halls (I think Northwest was one of them) were open until 10 pm. Do athletes have a different meal plan than the rest of students that they can't go to the dining hall whenever they want? Was Shabazz at basketball activities every day until 10 pm?

 

[BlueMAB]

Not saying it's a solution, nor taking a side on paying/not paying college athletes, but...

Pell grants are now over 6,300 per year. That's over 500/month and plenty of cash for a college kid who has everything covered IMO....so saying kids don't have any pocket money is probably mostly BS.

You've already indicated you don't believe the recipients are actually deserving.

You still don't seem to understand that some, if not many, of the kids send some, if not all, of that money home to their family who needs it for basic living expenses like shelter, utilities, and food.

You also ignored the problem of taxpayers subsidizing kids/families simply because the NCAA refuses to allow them to earn their own money.

So pretending to know that college kids have plenty of cash is mostly BS.

 

[scuba lou]

I graduated in 2012, so I overlapped with Shabazz and these comments confused me then and confuse me now. A meal plan allowed you to have unlimited access to the dining halls to have as many meals as you wanted. Certain dining halls (I think Northwest was one of them) were open until 10 pm. Do athletes have a different meal plan than the rest of students that they can't go to the dining hall whenever they want? Was Shabazz at basketball activities every day until 10 pm?

I wouldn’t know, but it’s possible

 

[NJHusky]

You've already indicated you don't believe the recipients are actually deserving.

You still don't seem to understand that some, if not many, of the kids send some, if not all, of that money home to their family who needs it for basic living expenses like shelter, utilities, and food.

You also ignored the problem of taxpayers subsidizing kids/families simply because the NCAA refuses to allow them to earn their own money.

So pretending to know that college kids have plenty of cash is mostly BS.

BS?? I’m stating what is going on with grants. U r telling me how kids are spending the cash. How the hell do u know? Imo 600/mo is plenty of spending cash for a college kid

 

[BlueMAB]

BS?? I’m stating what is going on with grants. U r telling me how kids are spending the cash. How the hell do u know? Imo 600/mo is plenty of spending cash for a college kid

Hall said many of his teammates at Ohio State would send their Pell Grant checks to their families to help out at home.

“The temptation for the football player or the basketball player to sell a jersey or to take a check or cash from somebody illegally is there because they are struggling. They are struggling at home. What do you do when mom is living check-to-check, the lights aren’t on at home and you’re playing for this great university?”

The Pell Grant is a great thing. It’s also available to regular students, not just athletes. What you’re not understanding is that many of these kids send the money home to their family and they keep little, if any, of that money.

So yes, BS. Because you keep saying $600 is enough for a college kid, as if all of these kids are keeping $600/month.

I’ve given you evidence. You’re telling me your opinion on what is a suitable amount of money for them to have, without understanding that they aren’t always keeping the money. Because their families are struggling.

I’ve said that about 5 or 6 times. Hopefully it sinks in soon.

 

[Watchdog]

Hall said many of his teammates at Ohio State would send their Pell Grant checks to their families to help out at home.

“The temptation for the football player or the basketball player to sell a jersey or to take a check or cash from somebody illegally is there because they are struggling. They are struggling at home. What do you do when mom is living check-to-check, the lights aren’t on at home and you’re playing for this great university?”

The Pell Grant is a great thing. It’s also available to regular students, not just athletes. What you’re not understanding is that many of these kids send the money home to their family and they keep little, if any, of that money.

So yes, BS. Because you keep saying $600 is enough for a college kid, as if all of these kids are keeping $600/month.

I’ve given you evidence. You’re telling me your opinion on what is a suitable amount of money for them to have, without understanding that they aren’t always keeping the money. Because their families are struggling.

I’ve said that about 5 or 6 times. Hopefully it sinks in soon.

I have friends from an SEC school, who dislike UConn because of what we've done to Kentucky and Florida in the last ten years, who asked me a legitimate question:
"If he's so cash strapped that he goes to bed hungry, is it because he's spending all his Pell Grant money on tattoos? "
That may be petty, and I don't like their attitude, but I couldn't answer the question.

 

[NJHusky]

Hall said many of his teammates at Ohio State would send their Pell Grant checks to their families to help out at home.

“The temptation for the football player or the basketball player to sell a jersey or to take a check or cash from somebody illegally is there because they are struggling. They are struggling at home. What do you do when mom is living check-to-check, the lights aren’t on at home and you’re playing for this great university?”

The Pell Grant is a great thing. It’s also available to regular students, not just athletes. What you’re not understanding is that many of these kids send the money home to their family and they keep little, if any, of that money.

So yes, BS. Because you keep saying $600 is enough for a college kid, as if all of these kids are keeping $600/month.

I’ve given you evidence. You’re telling me your opinion on what is a suitable amount of money for them to have, without understanding that they aren’t always keeping the money. Because their families are struggling.

I’ve said that about 5 or 6 times. Hopefully it sinks in soon.

I also know kids that went shopping for frivolous stuff and got tats when pell grants came in like any college kid flush with cash would do. The issue is whether kids on scholly have enough money to function. With pell grants they do. Pell grants are not intended to be a source of money for the family. Let that sink in

 

[BlueMAB]

I have friends from an SEC school, who dislike UConn because of what we've done to Kentucky and Florida in the last ten years, who asked me a legitimate question:
"If he's so cash strapped that he goes to bed hungry, is it because he's spending all his Pell Grant money on tattoos? "
That may be petty, and I don't like their attitude, but I couldn't answer the question.

how do you know he paid for the tattoos?

 

[BlueMAB]

The issue is whether kids on scholly have enough money to function. With pell grants they do. Pell grants are not intended to be a source of money for the family. Let that sink in

No, they all don’t.

Some do.

And the idea that you’re in a position to decide how much is enough for kids who need to support their families, and aren’t allowed to earn a living is the issue.

You’re not.

The Pell Grant money is intended to be a source of money for the recipient. There are ZERO restrictions on how that money is spent. So if they need to pay mom’s rent, then that’s what it is intended for.

The fact is virtually none of them need to be on Pell grants if they are allowed to collectively bargain and earn money.

But please do continue to pretend that has nothing to do with the conversation.

Edit: and I’m not ignoring your comments on kids “wasting” the money. Here’s my response to that.

“Kids from poor families who struggled and never had cash or were taught financial literacy blows money on sneakers and tattoos. News at 11”

The fact some kids waste the money on purchases you or I may not agree with doesn’t mean their families automatically didn’t need it to keep the lights on.

 

[NJHusky]

No, they all don’t.

Some do.

And the idea that you’re in a position to decide how much is enough for kids who need to support their families, and aren’t allowed to earn a living is the issue.

You’re not.

The Pell Grant money is intended to be a source of money for the recipient. There are ZERO restrictions on how that money is spent. So if they need to pay mom’s rent, then that’s what it is intended for.

The fact is virtually none of them need to be on Pell grants if they are allowed to collectively bargain and earn money.

But please do continue to pretend that has nothing to do with the conversation.

Edit: and I’m not ignoring your comments on kids “wasting” the money. Here’s my response to that.

“Kids from poor families who struggled and never had cash or were taught financial literacy blows money on sneakers and tattoos. News at 11”

The fact some kids waste the money on purchases you or I may not agree with doesn’t mean their families automatically didn’t need it to keep the lights on.

You are trying to use the college scholarship to solve the problem of poor families....sorry, that's not the intent...A discussion about whether kids should get paid is a separate discussion IMO. My point was simply to point out that kids on scholly have everything THEY need with the assistance of a pell grant. Their family may not have everything they need and the kid may not have everything they want, but that's not the purpose of a scholarship. You think the school should pay the parent's rent and electric bill..I don't....again, a sep discussion

 

[BlueMAB]

You are trying to use the college scholarship to solve the problem of poor families

I am not. I'm telling you a college scholarship doesn't mean a kid won't struggle financially at school while his or her family struggles financially at home.

....sorry, that's not the intent...

The intent is for the recipient to use however he or she needs to use it. That's why there are no restrictions on it.

A discussion about whether kids should get paid is a separate discussion IMO.

It is not when you consider the Pell grants, and this conversation, become virtually obsolete if the players are allowed to earn their own money.

My point was simply to point out that kids on scholly have everything THEY need with the assistance of a pell grant.

Sure, if we suspend reality and live in this fantasyland where scholarship athletes are completely removed from the struggles of the family that helped get them there, then yes, theoretically they should have everything they need.

But unfortunately for you and your simple point. Reality matters.

Their family may not have everything they need and the kid may not have everything they want, but that's not the purpose of a scholarship.

We're talking about Pell Grants, not scholarships.

You think the school should pay the parent's rent and electric bill..I don't....again, a sep discussion

No. I think your reading comprehension is trash.

I think the NCAA should allow the players to earn their own money, and they can pay their parent's rent and electric bill. That frees up more Pell grant money for kids who aren't also on a full athletic scholarship.

 

[NJHusky]

I am not. I'm telling you a college scholarship doesn't mean a kid won't struggle financially at school while his or her family struggles financially at home.

The intent is for the recipient to use however he or she needs to use it. That's why there are no restrictions on it.

It is not when you consider the Pell grants, and this conversation, become virtually obsolete if the players are allowed to earn their own money.

Sure, if we suspend reality and live in this fantasyland where scholarship athletes are completely removed from the struggles of the family that helped get them there, then yes, theoretically they should have everything they need.

But unfortunately for you and your simple point. Reality matters.

We're talking about Pell Grants, not scholarships.

No. I think your reading comprehension is trash.

I think the NCAA should allow the players to earn their own money, and they can pay their parent's rent and electric bill. That frees up more Pell grant money for kids who aren't also on a full athletic scholarship.

no need for further comment...agree to disagree

 

[Get a Job]

Without wading into the debate between @NJHusky and @WingU-Conn, I will say that I found it a little silly for a person with a meal plan at UConn to claim hunger. Yes, on a given night, one might feel hungry after all the dining halls and Grab & Gos close. This is not a big deal, however, because that person will quite healthily survive until breakfast the next morning, and he can avoid the situation in the future by bringing something back to the dorm/apartment.