Fanta quotes unnamed high major coach on the portal

[superjohn]

I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I don't believe there's a need.

You think over 40% of Division 1 players transferring every year is healthy for the sport?

 

[Rico444]

My question is, why was it a bad thing for those diamond in the rough kids to have to stay at those schools outside of money? Which if you are that diamond in the rough, like the kid from Oakland, the money will find you.

My question is, why do you feel the need to restrict their ability to transfer to a better situation, other than a feeling of nostalgia about seeing a kid come in and develop for 4 years? Maybe the kid was wooed by a coach but now realizes he isn't a good fit. Maybe he was recruited over and isn't being given a chance to earn minutes. Look at Marcus White; if Calhoun didn't miss a few games he would've never gotten minutes here.

 

[Rico444]

You think over 40% of Division 1 players transferring every year is healthy for the sport?

I don't think it's as big a deal as the rest of you do, and certainly not enough to restrict players' rights like they were before NIL existed.

 

[metsfan2323]

Oh well, the cream rises to the top now. Guess who is currently at the top?

The old system screwed UConn because we were held to a higher standard than Kentucky and other schools with clout., at least with no rules we have a level playing field.

 

[HungryHu5ky]

He's not a fan.

I agree 1000%

 

[CL82]

I get it... It's definitely better for the players and deservedly so. They were $$-making entities for years and saw little to no profit. I guess I'd like to see the transfer year off return unless there's a coaching change or a major life-event circumstance return. But I also want the "old" CBB back so get off my lawn.

I would submit it's better for some players and may eventually be better for most players, but it's not better for all players. What's happening is that marginal kids who might've been able to hang on in a program and get a degree are now up on the sidelines when they enter the portal in the hopes of making NIL windfall. You can argue that that is capitalism at play, and thus "fair", but this isn't some beatific benefit for the players. It's an opportunity for the very best to get a huge windfall and the players to get some pocket change that comes at the expense of the marginal kids.

 

[Verne]

You think over 40% of Division 1 players transferring every year is healthy for the sport?

I'm still waiting for actual reasoning of why it's bad for the sport?

 

[ctchamps]

Spare me with this BS. It's telling that it's anonymous. Name the coach so we can find his salary and laugh at him complaining about not having a day off while he's paid $3-5 mil to be a basketball coach.

I can't fathom coaches who want to be lauded praise for different things they've innovated within their respective sport.

Pitino is credited with finding the value in the 3 point shot 30 years ago. Other coaches are credited with offenses they've designed or defenses they've created. Guys are being put in the hall of fame for being great, for innovating and for adjusting over the course of long careers. Why can't they adjust now?

But now... Now we draw the line at paying the players or players being allowed to openly go where the highest compensation is? This is what we were complaining about? Oh let the athletes get paid? Yes. That's where the quote should have ended.

Welcome to the free market and capitalism. It only took decades to finally be a level playing field and fair to the players.

God forbid a coach be asked to adjust and innovate in a new world.

All these quotes of old coaches are telling on themselves.

This is not just a coaches vs players situation. Universities, governing bodies, media, fans and the legal system have a vested interest in this as well, and those interests will not align with one another.

This thread demonstrates that. The solutions and problems people are positing align in many cases with the personal emotional preferences of the posters.

In any system with multiple interests there will be an inherent unfairness that results with winners and losers. It is pretty much impossible to create equanimity in a complex situation without sterilization of the situation. And that creates its own problem.

 

[uconnfan68]

Couldn't have said it better.

The NCAA has lost pretty much every suit thrown at them, and the concurrent opinion of the supreme court was pretty much "the ncaa is a restraint on trade. please sue them."

The NCAA cannot override California, and now Virginia law. Any restraint on this they try to make, they'll simply get sued and lose because of the supreme court precedent.

Supreme court precedent is an oxymoron.

 

[crazyUCfan23]

Like most on here, I am all for players earning their market value (whatever that may be). However, there should be some regulations in place for transfers. I don't think players should be able to play for/attend 4 schools in 5 years - that's a bit ridiculous IMO. IIRC, one of the original arguments for that was because " 'normal' students can transfer to another school without penalty." But "normal" students aren't transferring 4 times in 5 years - they'd never get their degree if they moved like that. I will say taht is creates a lot more excitment/interest in the offseason than ever before though!

 

[CL82]

As UConn fans we are outliers. We profit from the portal. If I were a fan of, say Dayton, I would despise it.

We have benefited from it, both profiting by transfers in and profiting by gaining scholarship slats for transfers out. That said, I'm not a fan.

Still, @HuskyHawk came up with what I think is the easiest answer. Don't allow NIL payments to be paid to a player from a booster of the school. Add that to tightening up the portal moving it to tighter windows after the end of postseason play, and maybe only allowing movement every other year, and things would get dramatically better.

 

[Jaydumo20]

Some of these stories are cool of having mid majors make it on the big stage, especially here, but I agree it does water down the overall product which is why most casuals don’t watch today and the women’s game seems to surpass the men’s game.

Mid majors get recruited there for a reason a lot of times. These days it’s hard for a coach to genuinely develop the guys they get out of high school because

1. It’s easy to bring in ready made guys over them to not focus on their development
2. It’s easy for those players to leave at any moment for benign reasons

Actual development and coaching is at an all time low. It’s just about building the best roster nowadays. Which yes, does water down the sport to the point where we aren’t seeing fully developed highly talented players anymore.

May be part of the reason Europe continues to pass us as well talent wise. Guys aren’t getting coached in America. They’re getting paid.

Bingo

 

[Deleted at users request]

My question is, why do you feel the need to restrict their ability to transfer to a better situation, other than a feeling of nostalgia about seeing a kid come in and develop for 4 years? Maybe the kid was wooed by a coach but now realizes he isn't a good fit. Maybe he was recruited over and isn't being given a chance to earn minutes. Look at Marcus White; if Calhoun didn't miss a few games he would've never gotten minutes here.

Do you think all of the kids who leave are leaving for a better situation?

There has to be a balance where a kid isn’t leaving for no reason and having a way for a kid who is genuinely in a bad situation has an opportunity to leave.

Marcus White played 17 minutes a game as a freshman. That’s more than guys like Hawkins, Andre Jackson, Sanogo, Clingan, and everyone besides Castle from this year as freshmen.

 

[metsfan2323]

Still, @HuskyHawk came up with what I think is the easiest answer. Don't allow NIL payments to be paid to a player from a booster of the school.

Good idea in theory but impossible to police it. It will just lead to cheating and everyone will be forced to cheat to compete.

 

[CL82]

Good idea in theory but impossible to police it. It will just lead to cheating and everyone will be forced to cheat to compete.

I don't think it would be that hard to police. NIL isn't the bags of cash under the table, it is above the table money being paid to the player. That means that he would either have to receive a W-2 or, more likely, a 1099. Obligate the player to get preapproval from his school and have the school vet the booster status and report to the NCAA. Every year the player submits his 1099s and W-2s to the school who intern submits it to the NCAA.

 

[slepers]

At the end of the day, if a product can only exist the way you want it by exploiting the people who make it, then the product shouldn't exist. The fact that probably a few hundred million dollars are flowing to players per year across football and basketball shows how imbalanced the old way was. I think the flaws with the new system are obvious, but the good it does for the players outweighs them.

I think if there were basically any restrictions put in place (ability to commit to multi year contracts, etc) we would be able to land in a happy middle ground. Obviously the legality of any restrictions will be challenged and I have no idea what a realistic solution might look like, but hopefully we get something eventually.

The money is not flowing from the ncaa, a lot of it seems to be bankrolled from rich boosters. I am totally in agreement with the players making money from sales or earned endorsements. Paying before they perform at your university seems to be unsustainable to me

 

[B1GEast]

All you have to do is limit the number of transfer a student athlete can get.

They should be able to leave, but honestly they're only there for four years. Unlimited transfers is a joke.

Cap it at two, unless there's a coaching change. Problem solved.

 

[Kowalski]

I don't think it's as big a deal as the rest of you do, and certainly not enough to restrict players' rights like they were before NIL existed.

Do you support any restriction? How about mid-year transfer, right before the conference & NCAA tournament so a player can experience a deep tourney run?

I’d argue the NCAA needs to set reasonable guardrails on transfers to protect the viability of college sport. And good college players have a lot more options than people acknowledge, including the option to play for any number of pro leagues here and around the globe.

Nobody seems to have a problem with the NBA draft preventing college players from being free agents out of college (to contract with any team they want) because of a union contract that these players were never part of. But those are the rules and it serves it’s purpose well.

 

[superjohn]

Something that's not talked about in this free for all booster payment era is once you set the market how do you retain players?

If the big pay schools are doling out say 1 million each for top recruits/transfers won't those kids expect that or even more to stay on for each following season? It doesn't seem like a championship winning formula for programs like Duke, Kansas, Kentucky...

Say you pay Sean Stewart that money, human nature tells me he's going to expect another payment in that range from the school for next season...either he's going to tell them to kick rocks if they don't offer that money again or the school is going to tell him to kick rocks and pay the next shiny new player. Continuity still matters and reloading with one year rentals out of high school and the portal isn't going to get it done, IMO.

 

[Zonepress]

Perhaps I'm yelling at clouds, but I agree 100%. The NCAA knew that this would be coming and was caught with their pants down and now the whole system is broke. It's a joke. And while we have been very successful utilizing the portal, I legit hate it.

What reasonable parameters could be put into place? I, for one, think it's ridiculous that players can bounce within conference and that theoretically a guy (looking at you AJ) can bounce to four schools in four years just chasing the cash. Could they "cap" the portal?

The NCAA has no standing regarding nil
If they reinstate it having to sit out a year when you transfer I’m pretty certain that would be overturn by the courts
The only way to change the current system is to have players signed contracts as employees
As far as the coaches go
Well, I understand this has made their job much more difficult They will either adjust to the changes or move on.
What I always find serious is why fans get upset about this
The N I,L and the portal have I believe, added to the popularity of college basketball

 

[storrsroars]

I would submit it's better for some players and may eventually be better for most players, but it's not better for all players. What's happening is that marginal kids who might've been able to hang on in a program and get a degree are now up on the sidelines when they enter the portal in the hopes of making NIL windfall. You can argue that that is capitalism at play, and thus "fair", but this isn't some beatific benefit for the players. It's an opportunity for the very best to get a huge windfall and the players to get some pocket change that comes at the expense of the marginal kids.

Capitalism is also in play in the scenarios bemoaning the status of folks having to work two jobs to make ends meet. It's why, when I was in demand at the top of my field, I could switch employers every two years and negotiate for a significant bump in pay & benefits. Skills are either in demand and paid a premium, or skills (or lack thereof) are a commodity and compensated as such. r

At any rate, an argument that says capitalism is good for players, but coaches shouldn't whine while some folks struggle from payday to payday is a crap argument. It's all dictated by capitalistic market forces.

As Alec Baldwin said to Mark Wahlberg: "The world needs plenty of bartenders."

FTR, I say this as someone who, when I later owned my own business, had to go on food stamps for a month or so in order to make payroll during the 08-09 recession. Nobody to blame but me. I could've taken a menial job and made more per hour and not have the burden of working every single weekend and taking my job home with me every single night, but I'd put in my time in corporate so I didn't have to work for anyone but myself.

 

[Rico444]

Do you support any restriction?

I support reasonable restrictions that have a legitimate purpose. I think a lot of the anger from people and calls for restrictions don't have good enough reasons to consider putting them in place.

 

[willie99]

I'm going with that's a coach who lands top recruits and now hates losing them. Either that or his school has no NIL

Self & Squid meet the first standard. Maybe Izzo

That been coaching a long time thing eliminates many programs

Can also be a midmajor coach I suppose

 

[Zonepress]

NBA = professional employees.

The colleges are trying to avoid that.

You don't see the big difference?

You have said so succinctly when I have tried to post about a half a dozen times( in a long, winded way lol )

 

[Zonepress]

I'm still waiting for actual reasoning of why it's bad for the sport?

Me too!

 

[superjohn]

I'm going with that's a coach who lands top recruits and now hates losing them. Either that or his school has no NIL

Self & Squid meet the first standard. Maybe Izzo

That been coaching a long time thing eliminates many programs

Can also be a midmajor coach I suppose

The tweet says unnamed high major coach. Izzo clearly hates it, Pitino says he hates hit but he lives off of it and he always puts his name behind what he says. I'm sure a lot of them hate it.

 

[Rico444]

Do you think all of the kids who leave are leaving for a better situation?

There has to be a balance where a kid isn’t leaving for no reason and having a way for a kid who is genuinely in a bad situation has an opportunity to leave.

I don't believe you or I or anyone else except for that kid deserves to make that decision for him or her. I am certain that some of the hundreds of kids that end up transferring will end up making a bad decision, but isn't it good that they have the choice?

 

[JMick]

I don't think it's as big a deal as the rest of you do, and certainly not enough to restrict players' rights like they were before NIL existed.

It's not a "rights" restriction. Sports are competitive. To keep competition fair you need rules

 

[nycscooby]

The NCAA screws up virtually everything they touch.
One of the worst managed organizations on the planet.
Time to blow it up and find a better alternative that will consider all the schools at all levels rather than a handful.

Too late. SEC and B10 hold all the power because of the product on the field/court and the insatiable appetite of the consumer.

I am all for the kids getting paid something on the money being made off them but this system is making me lose interest in college sports as a 40+ year fan. I am already only watching UConn football and will not be watching the college FB playoffs (unless UConn is in ) because of the recent expansion and guaranty of half the playoff field coming from the SEC and B10.

And, when these conferences and their media partners also ruin college basketball and March Madness which I really hope doesn’t happen then at that point, I will be watching professional sports only. I may be there sooner if the SEC and B10 get to break off the top 50/60 programs and form their own league.

Again, nothing against the kids getting paid but it’s a real shame as to where we are now and likely headed.

 

[navery12]

My question is, why was it a bad thing for those diamond in the rough kids to have to stay at those schools outside of money? Which if you are that diamond in the rough, like the kid from Oakland, the money will find you.

If you are good you do not need to go to a high major for the NBA to find you. Ask Steph, CJ McCollum, Dame Lillard, Ja Morant, etc.

Jimmie would’ve been a millionaire at BYU with NIL. They do not need to go to high majors for much except for a slightly better chance to win. But did Seth even make it farther in the NCAA tourney than Steph?

Nobody is making kids leave the mid majors though. If they develop and want to move up to a higher level they should have that option. And there's plenty of examples of kids making that decision both ways, not everyone is leaving. That's why despite all the complaining, there are still a lot of mid majors who make deep runs in March