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Fans being priced out a problem everywhere

With every team being able to pay players, you can't get Chris Mills for a thousand bucks any more. Yes, I know it was Kentucky who paid Mills. But he is a great indicator of player inflation.
 
I was sent this by a friend. Maybe it’s the same story?

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Well I guess his forever seats are forever…for a price.

See the Gampel improvements thread. The buzzwords “revenue focused” stuck out like a sore thumb to me in the progress report. You want to watch a consistent winner, you gotta pay. You want to watch the Royals, it won’t cost much.
 
It is what it is. The sport is popular, stadiums are sold out, and prices are set by the market. I'm sorry if people can't afford it, but that's too bad.

I used to live in LA in a neighborhood that was gentrifying and being developed and upgraded (Leimert Park). This meant that new owners started moving in to homes, pushing tenants out, and rents were rising rapidly. Locals were irate that their children and grandchildren could "no longer afford to move into their neighborhood" as prices were too high. There was a billboard that said "gentrification is a 4-letter word".

As a new homeowner there, my attitude was "too bad". You can't afford to live in this neighborhood now, then move to an area you can afford. More owner occupied homes means people are taking better care and upgrading properties, which helps property prices to rise, and fits in with all the improvements to stores, shopping, restaurants, public transportation, etc.

The market sets the prices, just like it does for sports events. Everything is supply and demand. Something is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. If you can't afford it, then go to a few games per year instead of every game.
 
EricLA said:
It is what it is. The sport is popular, stadiums are sold out, and prices are set by the market. I'm sorry if people can't afford it, but that's too bad.

I used to live in LA in a neighborhood that was gentrifying and being developed and upgraded (Leimert Park). This meant that new owners started moving in to homes, pushing tenants out, and rents were rising rapidly. Locals were irate that their children and grandchildren could "no longer afford to move into their neighborhood" as prices were too high. There was a billboard that said "gentrification is a 4-letter word".

As a new homeowner there, my attitude was "too bad". You can't afford to live in this neighborhood now, then move to an area you can afford. More owner occupied homes means people are taking better care and upgrading properties, which helps property prices to rise, and fits in with all the improvements to stores, shopping, restaurants, public transportation, etc.

The market sets the prices, just like it does for sports events. Everything is supply and demand. Something is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. If you can't afford it, then go to a few games per year instead of every game.
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The rules are constantly changing. I had a table on the finish line at Saratoga for the Travers for 20 years. Then they only allocated to high rollers and tracked through Nyra betting card. Unfortunately, while i am exactly the high money gambler they are targeting i live in Georgia and legally cannot possess the card. It is always something, the falcons and braves did something similar and ran off a Billionaire client of mine that left on principle. Unfortunately, most things ultimately come down to money and loyalty is undervalued.
 
EricLA said:
The market sets the prices, just like it does for sports events. Everything is supply and demand. Something is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. If you can't afford it, then go to a few games per year instead of every game.
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Values are an odd thing. Even when wife and I were raking it in in our early 40s, we'd happily spend $$$ golfing on a spendy course or eating at a great restaurant, but felt tix for hockey and football were getting ridiculous. And that was 25 years ago. It's much worse now.h With the cost to a family to bring kids to anything other than a baseball or soccer game being a three C notes or more, I don't know how football, pro hoops or even hockey are going to get the next generations as fans. Memories of going to games as a kid were precious to me.

And that's a long way of saying that this is how I felt about forgiving tuition. "Too bad."

Also, I'm wondering how many of these "too bad" folks downloaded music for free on Napster.
 
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EricLA said:
It is what it is. The sport is popular, stadiums are sold out, and prices are set by the market. I'm sorry if people can't afford it, but that's too bad.

I used to live in LA in a neighborhood that was gentrifying and being developed and upgraded (Leimert Park). This meant that new owners started moving in to homes, pushing tenants out, and rents were rising rapidly. Locals were irate that their children and grandchildren could "no longer afford to move into their neighborhood" as prices were too high. There was a billboard that said "gentrification is a 4-letter word".

As a new homeowner there, my attitude was "too bad". You can't afford to live in this neighborhood now, then move to an area you can afford. More owner occupied homes means people are taking better care and upgrading properties, which helps property prices to rise, and fits in with all the improvements to stores, shopping, restaurants, public transportation, etc.

The market sets the prices, just like it does for sports events. Everything is supply and demand. Something is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. If you can't afford it, then go to a few games per year instead of every game.
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Everything is expensive. If your neighborhood is too expensive move somewhere that's less expensive. If restaurants are too expensive eat at home. If live sporting events are too expensive, watch on TV. If that morning/afternoon coffee and lunch break food take out or sit down restaurant is too expensive make every lunch at home and bring it in with you and make all your coffee at home.

Personally, I don't like the price increases so I cook at home the overwhelming majority of the time. When I go out for drinks I go to places that hook me up. When I want a steak I cook it at home. I'll never step foot in a Whole Foods and do my shopping at Aldi's. Those trips to the ballpark are less and less, I watch on TV.
 
storrsroars said:
Values are an odd thing. Even when wife and I were raking it in in our early 40s, we'd happily spend $$$ golfing on a spendy course or eating at a great restaurant, but felt tix for hockey and football were getting ridiculous. And that was 25 years ago. It's much worse now.h With the cost to a family to bring kids to anything other than a baseball or soccer game being a three C notes or more, I don't know how football, pro hoops or even hockey are going to get the next generations as fans. Memories of going to games as a kid were precious to me.

And that's a long way of saying that this is how I felt about forgiving tuition. "Too bad."

Also, I'm wondering how many of these "too bad" folks downloaded music for free on Napster.
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The too bad folks are the ones who will drive 20 in a 25 then gun it on a yellow light or even a red light.
 
storrsroars said:
Values are an odd thing. Even when wife and I were raking it in in our early 40s, we'd happily spend $$$ golfing on a spendy course or eating at a great restaurant, but felt tix for hockey and football were getting ridiculous. And that was 25 years ago. It's much worse now.h With the cost to a family to bring kids to anything other than a baseball or soccer game being a three C notes or more, I don't know how football, pro hoops or even hockey are going to get the next generations as fans. Memories of going to games as a kid were precious to me.

And that's a long way of saying that this is how I felt about forgiving tuition. "Too bad."

Also, I'm wondering how many of these "too bad" folks downloaded music for free on Napster.
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I realize outside of a final 4 with UConn playing I will never go to a marquee sporting event ever again or even an NFL game (unless it's free) and I'm okay with that, I will never be able to justify the cost. I went to a bunch when I was a kid and It was much more exciting as a kid/meant more to me. I also know I'll never ski again, it's another cost I could never justify. On the bright side, I know I'm saving my knees. I know I got to experience those things because of the time and place I was born. I feel badly for kids today for a whole host of reasons, sports ticket prices is pretty far down the list though.

As for Napster, yes I used it and I continue to take advantage of anything that's free.
 
The key here is value = the perception one feels for the return they received on what they paid.

Everyone has a different way of feeling about this. Some find the value of live game with good seats is worth $5k; others would not.

All I can say is stick to your values and just remember others have different scales of value.
 
I'm assuming there aren't too many people here at poverty-level. No one is being priced out, I bet most could pay if they wanted to bad enough. They would just have to prioritize. The price is the price whether it's reflected in the initial sale or not, especially now when ticket transfers are so easy.
 
Waquoit said:
I'm assuming there aren't too many people here at poverty-level. No one is being priced out, I bet most could pay if they wanted to bad enough. They would just have to prioritize. The price is the price whether it's reflected in the initial sale or not, especially now when ticket transfers are so easy.
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Exactly. It sucks when something you’d like to do has an increased financial barrier to entry, but that also reflects how much you’d actually like to do that thing. I’m not saying it’s not valid to be annoyed by this kind of thing, but I’ve definitely noticed as I get older that most of my peers are equally as irresponsible with their personal finance as they are with their personal health and fitness. It’s not a devastating irresponsibility, but it’s a consistent lack of self-discipline despite purported goals and aspirations.

Again, I’m not looking to criticize anyone with frustration at increased ticket prices - it’s very annoying. But to me it just means I’m not going and that’s okay because I have more important things to save for and I love watching the games on tv.
 
EricLA said:
It is what it is. The sport is popular, stadiums are sold out, and prices are set by the market.
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Prices didn't go up over 300% because of the market. Businesses have simply gotten much better at manipulating it.

(You could argue that manipulating the market is part of the market, but for the purposes of this discussion it would be disingenuous to act like these events are priced in the same way they were 30 years ago. It'd be like if a handful of people started hoarding all the tomatoes at the grocery store so they could re-sell them; technically, the market is getting more expensive, but in reality it's just an elaborate con to artificially inflate the price and extort people who don't know what life is without tomatoes. Same BS that every business gets away with nowadays because of our attachment to "capitalism.")
 

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