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specialisthusky said:
Common sense tells us the team that averages over 100k for home games is driving the market not the one that averages 30k.
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My confusion is that I didn't recognize this specific number of 30,479. BC averaged 34,270 this year.
 
uconndogs said:
Well it's been confirmed.....BC brings NYC. Who knew??????
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Well, based on the criteria I often see on here, I suppose I could make that boast about BC's "reach" into NYC. :)

Seriously, IMO, all it means is that given the opportunity to travel to a regional bowl against a quality opponent, BC will travel quite well. I think this data would indicate this. That was my whole point in the OP. :)
 
BC1978 said:
30,479??

I have no way of proving my statement or disproving yours right now. Neither do you. The only "proof" will come when we see the game on Saturday and even then we will likely disagree some. (Was it REALLY xx% - xx% or some other split? If so, what was the actual split? That data is not always readily accessible. We shall see.). Realistically, you are probably correct that there will likely be more PSU fans for the reasons you stated - but not that any more! I will be there and will give you my impressions, not that you will believe me if it is favorable to BC. :)

I do know this. The BC-PSU game sold out in 36 hours, which was a record for this Bowl, as the Bowl director has himself indicated in the article below. Both schools sold out their allotments immediately, with the remaining tickets sold in the NYC area, as the article indicated. This game sold out faster than the games which Notre Dame, Rutgers, and Syracuse played in, and that is not all PSU by any means.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/..._bc_bowl_game_at_yankee_stadium_in_hot_demand
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Another concern for BC, Penn St in a down year in 2013 due to the sanctions till pulled in and average of 96K fans to their 106K stadium (90% attendance) placing it 9th in the country while BC, also in a down year, drew 33K to their 44K stadium (75%) .

Best bet, 75% Penn St fans, 25% BC fans.

Oh, and to be open, UConn with less 'tradition' than BC, a stadium located off-campus, and going through the hell of the P&D show drew 31K or just 2K less than BC in 2013 t their 40K stadium (82%).
 
BC1978 said:
30,479??
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Are you unfamiliar with how the game of Jeopardy works?

30,479 is the answer. What is the question?
 
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Mr. Conehead said:
Another concern for BC, Penn St in a down year in 2013 due to the sanctions till pulled in and average of 96K fans to their 106K stadium (90% attendance) placing it 9th in the country while BC, also in a down year, drew 33K to their 44K stadium (75%) .

Best bet, 75% Penn St fans, 25% BC fans.

Oh, and to be open, UConn with less 'tradition' than BC, a stadium located off-campus, and going through the hell of the P&D show drew 31K or just 2K less than BC in 2013 t their 40K stadium (82%).
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To be honest, I think that comparing one school's attendance to another is lame - especially BC and UCONN which have very similar attendance challenges as northeast programs.

Given the different ways that schools count attendance - tickets scanned, tickets sold, tickets distributed, etc., such comparison are meaningless, IMO. Factors such as who a team plays in a given year, the weather, etc., all are important considerations for programs like BC and Uconn.

You cherry picked 2013 to make a point, citing Uconn's attendance during the last year of the PP regime. I could play the same game. The average game attendance for a 2-win 2012 BC team - the last and worst year of the Spaz disastor - was 37,020, compared to Uconn's 34,672 that year. What's the point? I place no importance on such comparisons as they are meaningless, IMO, given the above considerations.

As far as your 75-25 PSU-BC split prediction for this Saturday's game. I doubt it. But we shall see.
 
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BC1978 said:
To be honest, I think that comparing one school's attendance to another is lame - especially BC and UCONN which have very similar attendance challenges as northeast programs.

Given the different ways that schools count attendance - tickets scanned, tickets sold, tickets distributed, etc., such comparison are meaningless, IMO. Factors such as who a team plays in a given year, the weather, etc., all are important considerations for programs like BC and Uconn.

You cherry picked 2013to make a point, citing Uconn's attendance during the last year of the PP regime. I could play the same game. The average game attendance for a 2-win 2012 BC team - the last and worse year of the Spaz disastor - was 37,020, compared to Uconn's 34,672. What's the point? I place no importance on such comparisons as they are meaningless, IMO, given the above considerations.

As far as your 75-25 PSU-BC split prediction for this Saturday's game. I doubt it. But we shall see.
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Candidly, it'll probably be worse than 75-25. If each school was required to sell 10,000 tickets, Penn State's fans and alumni (of whom 80-85,000 regularly fill their own stadium) could very well pick up all of the balance, which would leave the share about 80-20.
 
BC1978 said:
To be honest, I think that comparing one school's attendance to another is lame - especially BC and UCONN which have very similar attendance challenges as northeast programs.

Given the different ways that schools count attendance - tickets scanned, tickets sold, tickets distributed, etc., such comparison are meaningless, IMO. Factors such as who a team plays in a given year, the weather, etc., all are important considerations for programs like BC and Uconn.

You cherry picked 2013to make a point, citing Uconn's attendance during the last year of the PP regime. I could play the same game. The average game attendance for a 2-win 2012 BC team - the last and worse year of the Spaz disastor - was 37,020, compared to Uconn's 34,672. What's the point? I place no importance on such comparisons as they are meaningless, IMO, given the above considerations.

As far as your 75-25 PSU-BC split prediction for this Saturday's game. I doubt it. But we shall see.
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I picked 2013 because it is the most recent year with complete attendance data available. No more, no less. As for Penn State, it is also a Northeast school that competes with 2 pro NFL teams in-state along with 1 other major college football program in Pitt (sorry Temple, not there yet). Yet, even in the face of that competition plus there remote location, they draw close to 100K per game. That is where I hope UConn is one day.

As for cherry picking, you are discounting the number of fans who go to a game? That's usually the first factor in determining how well a team's fanbase follows the team. If an alumni is deal with traffic in and out cause by a 100K stadium and then pony-up $200 a game for 2x tickets in nosebleed land where the field looks to be in another county, that is loyalty. Those fans are going to travel and it explains why committees want teams like Michigan (109K), Penn St (106K), Texas A&M (106K, Ohio St (105K), LSU (102K), 'Bama (101K), Texas (100K), etc. for Bowl Games. It also shows how far BC has to go to be a 'big time' program, which is is not, even if you have visions of Doug Flutie dancing through your head.
 
Mr. Conehead said:
I picked 2013 because it is the most recent year with complete attendance data available. No more, no less. As for Penn State, it is also a Northeast school that competes with 2 pro NFL teams in-state along with 1 other major college football program in Pitt (sorry Temple, not there yet). Yet, even in the face of that competition plus there remote location, they draw close to 100K per game. That is where I hope UConn is one day.

As for cherry picking, you are discounting the number of fans who go to a game? That's usually the first factor in determining how well a team's fanbase follows the team. If an alumni is deal with traffic in and out cause by a 100K stadium and then pony-up $200 a game for 2x tickets in nosebleed land where the field looks to be in another county, that is loyalty. Those fans are going to travel and it explains why committees want teams like Michigan (109K), Penn St (106K), Texas A&M (106K, Ohio St (105K), LSU (102K), 'Bama (101K), Texas (100K), etc. for Bowl Games. It also shows how far BC has to go to be a 'big time' program, which is is not, even if you have visions of Doug Flutie dancing through your head.
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Actually, 2014 data is available for the 2014 RS.

I am not discounting actual attendance at all. I said above that it is likely that PSU will have more fans (I agree it probably won't be 50-50.). What I am disputing is the splits that people here are saying. PSU will have more than 75% of the fans?? This ignores some basic considerations:

Yankee Stadium seats 54,000 for Baseball (probably a bit less for FB?) We are not talking about filling a 100,000 plus seat stadium where I agree that the huge number of seats in that situation would put BC at a big disadvantage (as it would for SU, Rutgers, Pitt, or Uconn, for that matter). Rather we are talking about a 54,000 seat neutral stadium where BOTH programs have equal access to tickets. I have heard that the allotments were about 15,000 per school (including all the student tickets) which makes sense as the schools would together sell 30,000 seats and the bowl would sell the remaining 25,000 or so in the NYC area.

If that is the case, BC will at least have almost 30% of the fans at the game - and even this assumes that not a single BC fan buys any remaining tickets from the Bowl and 100% of PSU fans do. I just don't think this is realistic - especially since the article I attached indicated that ticket demand was very high from BOTH programs. Again, we shall see in a few days.
 
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BC1978 said:
Actually, 2014 data is available for the 2014 RS.

I am not discounting actual attendance at all. I said above that it is likely that PSU will have more fans (I agree it probably won't be 50-50.). What I am disputing is the splits that people here are saying. PSU will have more than 75% of the fans?? This ignores some basic considerations:

Yankee Stadium seats 54,000 for Baseball (probably a bit less for FB?) We are not talking about filling a 100,000 plus seat stadium where I agree that the huge number of seats in that situation would put BC at a big disadvantage (as it would for SU, Rutgers, Pitt, or Uconn, for that matter). Rather we are talking about a 54,000 seat neutral stadium where BOTH programs have equal access to tickets. I have heard that the allotments were about 15,000 per school (including all the student tickets) which makes sense as the schools would together sell 30,000 seats and the bowl would sell the remaining 25,000 or so in the NYC area.

If that is the case, BC will at least have almost 30% of the fans at the game - and this assumes that not a single BC fan buys any remaining tickets from the bowl and 100% of PSU fans do. I just don't think this is realistic. Again, we shall see in a few days.
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An oldie but goodie - think Pinstripe will top the turnout for BC's best team since Flutie's pass, in a conference championship that would have earned them a trip to the Orange Bowl?

http://www.profplacements.com/images/accchampionshipgame.jpg
 
UConn9604 said:
An oldie but goodie - think Pinstripe will top the turnout for BC's best team since Flutie's pass, in a conference championship that would have earned them a trip to the Orange Bowl?

http://www.profplacements.com/images/accchampionshipgame.jpg
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Again, I think it is pretty lame for either BC or Uconn fans to ridicule one another about fan attendance or travel to games out of the region, including big games, where fans have little or no time to make arrangements.

You guys are not immune to this either. I seem to recall a 2011 MBB National Championship where the Uconn student section for the semi Final was empty and Houston and Rice fans were given tickets to the Final to fill in those seats for televsion.

Don't misunderstand me. I would never criticize your programs for this for the reasons I stated above. The only comment I would make is that of "glass houses". This stuff happens to all of us.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basket...ts-get-to-experience-nationa?urn=ncaab-wp1856
 
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BC1978 said:
Again, I think it is pretty lame for either BC or Uconn fans to ridicule one another about fan attendance or travel to games out of the region, including big games, where fans have little or no time to make arrangements.
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Actually, no one had mentioned, much less criticized BC until you decided to piss in our cheerios and hijack the thread by claiming that UCONN didn't show any reach on Thursday night and then continuing to argue ad infinitum about it. So don't get all righteous all the sudden when BC is ridiculed.
 
Samoo said:
Actually, no one had mentioned, much less criticized BC until you decided to piss in our cheerios and hijack the thread by claiming that UCONN didn't show any reach on Thursday night and then continuing to argue ad infinitum about it. So don't get all righteous all the sudden when BC is ridiculed.
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That was not my intent at all. I was only talking about the issue of "reach" as it applied to that game. Like many threads on these boards, these conversations and the "back and forths" take a path of their own. Sorry if you feel that way. I will jump off the thread.
 
BC1978 said:
That was not my intent at all. I was only talking about the issue of "reach" as it applied to that game. Like many threads on these boards, these conversations and the "back and forths" take a path of their own. Sorry if you feel that way. I will jump off the thread.
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You should have done so about 50+ posts ago
 
Samoo said:
Actually, no one had mentioned, much less criticized BC until you decided to piss in our cheerios and hijack the thread by claiming that UCONN didn't show any reach on Thursday night and then continuing to argue ad infinitum about it. So don't get all righteous all the sudden when BC is ridiculed.
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Thank you. This BC internet officer must have a hyper-sensitive filter anytime someone says anything about Boston College or the city of Boston. I made a comment that I would like to see UCONN schedule games like Duke at TD Bank (similar to what they did against Gonzaga a few years ago) and he wanted to play "reach" semantic games. Showcasing the strength of UCONN's brand (just like every other school does when they schedule neutral site games) in various cities in the northeast to help elevate our CR profile is against BC troll law. BC fans like to think of UCONN as being an insulated fanbase located within a 10 mile radius of campus. That just isn't true. UCONN just outsold Duke in what is widely considered "their turf" and instead of acknowledging that UCONN's brand is strong, we get the tired ol' BC claim that every fan in attendance came from Storrs and there aren't any UCONN alumni living in and around NYC/NJ (or Boston or anywhere other than Connecticut).

I didn't make any BC comment in my original post. The original post that he was responding to was about scheduling games in New York and Boston. So let's get back to the main point: what other school could move as many tickets as UCONN at IZOD, Barclay's, MSG and TD Bank? None. That's who.
 
Well said and quite true, but on the FB side from the "perception is reality" front, the only way we would get credit for being a FB draw in NY, or BOS is to schedule a couple of good opponents at the Met or Gillette and then sell the places out.
 
John Greene said:
Well said and quite true, but on the FB side from the "perception is reality" front, the only way we would get credit for being a FB draw in NY, or BOS is to schedule a couple of good opponents at the Met or Gillette and then sell the places out.
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Agree that we need to schedule football games in NY/Boston. Unfortunately, our State leg says we can't play any "home" games outside the Rent until 2017. This is big because it's unlikely that any P5 school would want to sacrifice a home game gate to play us at a neutral site...meaning we would need to be the home team. But yeah, if we schedule Penn State at Yankee or Notre Dame at Fenway/Gillette, that would help UCONN's brand for sure.
 
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Dooley said:
Agree that we need to schedule football games in NY/Boston. Unfortunately, our State leg says we can't play any "home" games outside the Rent until 2017. This is big because it's unlikely that any P5 school would want to sacrifice a home game gate to play us at a neutral site...meaning we would need to be the home team. But yeah, if we schedule Penn State at Yankee or Notre Dame at Fenway/Gillette, that would help UCONN's brand for sure.
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I don't think those venues or teams would do it. The venues are small by big time FB standards and the opponents are already known to be big draws in the markets. We would need to somehow entice a USC, a B1G team other than PSU or RU, or mid tier SEC team to play there. Something like the long postponed TN game. 70,000 for that type of team would go a long way towards getting any conference's attention. Don't call it a home game. Give it a silly name like Husky Igloo Series, after all UConn has as much to do with igloos as ND has with shamrocks.
 
Dooley said:
Thank you. This BC internet officer must have a hyper-sensitive filter anytime someone says anything about Boston College or the city of Boston. I made a comment that I would like to see UCONN schedule games like Duke at TD Bank (similar to what they did against Gonzaga a few years ago) and he wanted to play "reach" semantic games. Showcasing the strength of UCONN's brand (just like every other school does when they schedule neutral site games) in various cities in the northeast to help elevate our CR profile is against BC troll law. BC fans like to think of UCONN as being an insulated fanbase located within a 10 mile radius of campus. That just isn't true. UCONN just outsold Duke in what is widely considered "their turf" and instead of acknowledging that UCONN's brand is strong, we get the tired ol' BC claim that every fan in attendance came from Storrs and there aren't any UCONN alumni living in and around NYC/NJ (or Boston or anywhere other than Connecticut).

I didn't make any BC comment in my original post. The original post that he was responding to was about scheduling games in New York and Boston. So let's get back to the main point: what other school could move as many tickets as UCONN at IZOD, Barclay's, MSG and TD Bank? None. That's who.
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The only one who could come close to generating as many ticket sales in New York and Boston as UConn can is ND. The have a very loyal alumni network many of whom are from the Northeast and a good chunk have the disposable money to go games.
 
BC1978 said:
You guys are not immune to this either. I seem to recall a 2011 MBB National Championship where the UConn student section for the semi Final was empty and Houston and Rice fans were given tickets to the Final to fill in those seats for television.
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They key point here is that they were STUDENT tickets. How many students, especially from a state university, have the extra money lying around to fly 1,800 miles (or drive) and then spend 3 nights at a marked-up hotel due to the Final 4? For that amount of money, one could probably get the entire dorm drunk. Plus, since these are UConn student and not UNC basketball and football players, they are expected to be in class those 2 or 3 days. If I remember the package correctly, student tickets, due to their prices, could not be re-sold on the open market. They have to go to students. I do believe the UConn general ticket allotment was sold out along with the women's Final 4 allotment.

PS - After last year, I bet MSG would welcome UConn back for another NCAA tournament and any time.
 
Mr. Conehead said:
They key point here is that they were STUDENT tickets. How many students, especially from a state university, have the extra money lying around to fly 1,800 miles (or drive) and then spend 3 nights at a marked-up hotel due to the Final 4? For that amount of money, one could probably get the entire dorm drunk. Plus, since these are UConn student and not UNC basketball and football players, they are expected to be in class those 2 or 3 days. If I remember the package correctly, student tickets, due to their prices, could not be re-sold on the open market. They have to go to students. I do believe the UConn general ticket allotment was sold out along with the women's Final 4 allotment.

PS - After last year, I bet MSG would welcome UConn back for another NCAA tournament and any time.
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A BC guy heckling us for our attendance at our third national championship in 12 seasons. Hmm.

There's a joke hidden in there somewhere, I think.
 
I don't know much about the regional draws of New York City re live tickets...

But...For the 2014 football season, Boston College was ranked #37 in average viewers nationally (2.05 million). Which was better than Clemson, Louisville, North Carolina, Syracuse, Virginia...and non ACC teams like Cal, Purdue, Northwestern, Arizona and Arizona State, Oklahoma State, Maryland, Illinois, Rutgers, Oregon State etc.

Not great...but they are carrying their weight better than some of their conference brethren.
 
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Mr. Conehead said:
They key point here is that they were STUDENT tickets. How many students, especially from a state university, have the extra money lying around to fly 1,800 miles (or drive) and then spend 3 nights at a marked-up hotel due to the Final 4? For that amount of money, one could probably get the entire dorm drunk. Plus, since these are UConn student and not UNC basketball and football players, they are expected to be in class those 2 or 3 days. If I remember the package correctly, student tickets, due to their prices, could not be re-sold on the open market. They have to go to students. I do believe the UConn general ticket allotment was sold out along with the women's Final 4 allotment. PS - After last year, I bet MSG would welcome UConn back for another NCAA tournament and any time.
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The other three schools in the 2011 final four subsidized their student tickets. Uconn did not and this was why the low attendance. Uconn subsidized a student bus trip to Dallas for the 2014 final four and the student section was full. How many BC students made it to their last final four?
 
Fishy said:
Programming alert -

We're about ten days from two dozen BC fan posts claiming that they usually wear dark blue to football games and it is, in fact, their unofficial school color.
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That's their color for bowl games. For home games its silver.
 
billybud said:
I don't know much about the regional draws of New York City re live tickets...

But...For the 2014 football season, Boston College was ranked #37 in average viewers nationally (2.05 million). Which was better than Clemson, Louisville, North Carolina, Syracuse, Virginia...and non ACC teams like Cal, Purdue, Northwestern, Arizona and Arizona State, Oklahoma State, Maryland, Illinois, Rutgers, Oregon State etc.

Not great...but they are carrying their weight better than some of their conference brethren.
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Who around here gives a rat's ass? Give us BC's conference money and schedule and we will squash them like a bug. On the field, in TV ratings, attendance-wise, whatever.
 
UConn9604 said:
A BC guy heckling us for our attendance at our third national championship in 12 seasons. Hmm.

There's a joke hidden in there somewhere, I think.
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Yeah that takes some balls. I honestly feel sorry for him. He is a passionate fan but has no forum to discuss on. He has a handful of others like him that are wandering the internet looking for a conversation about BC.
 
FourRings said:
Yeah that takes some balls. I honestly feel sorry for him. He is a passionate fan but has no forum to discuss on. He has a handful of others like him that are wandering the internet looking for a conversation about BC.
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Unfortunately, he's come to the right (and only) place.
 
billybud said:
I don't know much about the regional draws of New York City re live tickets...

But...For the 2014 football season, Boston College was ranked #37 in average viewers nationally (2.05 million). Which was better than Clemson, Louisville, North Carolina, Syracuse, Virginia...and non ACC teams like Cal, Purdue, Northwestern, Arizona and Arizona State, Oklahoma State, Maryland, Illinois, Rutgers, Oregon State etc.

Not great...but they are carrying their weight better than some of their conference brethren.
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Congratulations - you managed to have great TV ratings in a year you played USC and FSU. Had nothing to do with the competition...
 
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