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With our frank and beans caught in our zipper. Curiously, with our beans lodged on top of the frank.
Facts that our Orange Friends Can't Ignore
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Isn't this enough to get an invite to the ACC, it should be? I saw Warde at the game appearing to be monitoring the situation while devouring a thing of nachos.
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So, are you disputing UCONN's reach into NYC or Boston? Or both?
If UCONN scheduled a neutral game at TD Bank, do you think the game would sell 15+K tickets and mostly consisting of UCONN fans? Just like BC alum work/live in New York, UCONN has alum in and around Boston. And yes, I know that there will be a fair amount of UCONN fans who live in CT that would drive the 1-2 hours to TD Bank.
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Actually, they drove off with the prom queen in a Ferrari (ACC) but we pulled up next to them at a stop light in our 1978 pinto (AAC) grabbed the prom queen and had a threeway with her and Syracuse sister in the backseat (won the National Championship).
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What's the average crowd for a Duke game at Conte? Is it usually the lone sell out of the year?
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It's 'simple' to get from one side of the river to the other on a Thursday night around 6:30/8:00 PM. Really. Do you own or have enough money to afford taking a helicopter? There was no mass transit connection to IZOD for this game, so taking the train was out unless one took a cab from Rutherford or Secaucus. From Manhattan, that means 45 minutes minimum. By car, it took me 60 minutes to get there by car from Bergen County, i.e. I did not have to cross the river. To cross the river, the only real way to drive north to the GWB and down I-95. Taking the Holland Tunnel is foolish with the Pulaski Skyway out. The Lincoln tunnel is tough as they dedicate 1 of the 4 travel lanes to bus only. I checked Google maps for a friend who wanted to drive down from Stamford to IZOD at 6:00 PM and scalp a ticket and it was 2 1/2 hours by car.
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BC would never schedule a game with UConn at TD. They average 4,200 per game (2013) on campus, which is outside of the NCAA D1 Top 100 (UConn is #33 at 10,700). Just looking at the experience that PC had with UConn fans, TD, while not as UConn heavy as MSG, would turn into yet another UConn home game.
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I think this guy just tries to belittle any sort of positive press that UCONN fans receive because it's part of the BC fan DNA to protect what they think is "their" turf. Outnumbering #2 Duke in a state that they have a significant presence on a weeknight for a regular season basketball game (that doesn't carry the same kind of regular season game weight as football does just because of sheer volume of games played) is impressive. Not all UCONN fans in attendance drove 2-3 hours to get there. Like it or not, UCONN has a very strong alumni population who live in the NYC DMA and I'm going to guess that the majority of UCONN fans in attendance probably lived inside of it.
For BC fans, the longer that the rest of the country is kept in the dark about UCONN's presence in NYC, the longer we will be shunned out of a P5 conference and the longer they can continue to hold a recruiting advantage over us. So, of course, every UCONN fan who went to the Duke game drove from Storrs. Meanwhile, BC sold out its allotment of Pinstripe Bowl tickets and will have a 50/50 split against friggin' Penn State because BC has a huge alumni base in New York.
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I'm not suggesting scheduling BC. I'm suggesting scheduling a game against another program. Syracuse? Providence? Notre Dame? We played against Gonzaga there years ago and the attendance was 18K. Why not schedule some other games? It wouldn't matter who UCONN played against - the game would sell 15+K tickets. No doubt about that.
Dooley, since you asked me a direct question above, I will respond. My premise is simple. When a Uconn or BC plays a sport in a region a few hours drive from their core fan base, they will always have a big crowd there, to the extent they have a good fanbase to begin with (see my comments above on BC BB). Will some of that big crowd be locals who happen to be fans? Sure, but the vast majority will be fans making the drive to see their team play. If by "reach" you mean the ability of fans to travel to see the game, then I agree with you.
Regardless of what you may think BC fans "want", do you really think that the BiG, or any other P5 Conference, "is in the dark" about any team??? That's just silly. These are big businesses that invest lots of money in market research. They are run by folks who are sophisticated executives, and they have the vast resources of analysts, consultants, and all kinds of other folks advising them. They know the real TV numbers for every school. Not the cherry picked numbers that all of us as fans like to throw around. They know the real attendance numbers. Not the tickets sold and tickets distributed information that fans like to selectively parrot. They know the true market penetration for any program. The idea that these people who matter are "in the dark" about these issues is just silly, IMO.
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So if one program can sell out MSG and TD Bank, that doesn't demonstrate potential reach whatsoever? What does it demonstrate? It must be something good. Either you say that the program has reach OR that the program has a very strong traveling fanbase. Either one is good. But I'm sure you'll say that the same 15-18K fans who live in Storrs drive to New York/New Jersey and Boston for all UCONN games.
And please spare us the talk about market research and explain to us how Pitt is in the ACC and not UCONN. Still want to stick to your "real TV numbers" theory?
And please spare us the talk about market research and explain to us how Pitt is in the ACC and not UCONN. Still want to stick to your "real TV numbers" theory?
To your question, I say that it means that a program has a strong traveling fanbase, for which I have credited Uconn BB, if the game is within driving distance. For games in far away regions, don't get me started on that. With few exceptions, I believe MOST programs do not travel as well as their fans would like to have you believe, especially to, say for example, far flung 2nd tier bowl destinations, where fans often balk at spending thousands of dollars to travel over the holidays to see what is basically an exhibition game against an all-to-often less than exciting opponent, and where the game will be televised anyways. But I digress.
IMO, my comment on the market research is valid. I never said it was the ONLY consideration - but, IMO, it is naive to think that Conferences don't understand those numbers and take them into account.
In the case of Pitt, IMO, sure, they were helped by (ahem) strong positions by some Conference members. That said, for FB (the major consideration), I would think the market numbers for Pitt would be similar to other programs that were considered. IMO, no conference is going to take a program where the result will be they will make less money, regardless of the feelings of some of the members.
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Serious question: what was the size of the allotment? How many seats were you required to buy? My guess is that we brought more fans to the East Regional at (20,000 seat) MSG than BC will bring to the Pinstripe Bowl at (49,500 seat) Yankee Stadium.
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You know it would be nice if a passing reference to BCU wouldn't immediately cause their fans to come by. Is there like a spray or something we can apply to the forum to keep out the verm...ah un invited guests?
Have no idea, Uconn9604. Have heard everything from 11,000 - 17,500, but I have no idea. I also don't know how many additional fans bought their tickets outside of BC (over and above the allotment) as we all know that fans frequently take this route.
I will have a better sense once the game starts, as it will be clear just how much of Yankee Stadium is populated by BC fans and how much is populated by PSU fans.
According to some reports, the Pinstripe Bowl Director indicated the Bowl sold out within 36 hours of the schools being announced, so that is pretty telling, IMO.
https://mobile.twitter.com/jack_mccluskey/status/544916586843619328
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Funny you should mention that. We actually have a very good comparison in sport at which BC historically excels. What was the BC percentage of the crowd when #3 ranked BC played UCONN in hockey at XL Center? My guess is there will be more UCONN fans at the return game in February than there were at the Hartford game if tickets are freely available.
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What's pretty telling is that both schools are within an comparitively easy daytrip drive when compared with just about every other bowl.
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I will certainly be watching the Pinstripe Bowl.
Sure hope that it is blowing snow...a snow game is an entertaining sight for us southern boys. Although I saw a light snow in the trees at my NC cabin at Halloween, I haven't seen snow on the ground in 25 years.
Going to New York city around the holidays is still on my bucket list. Hope to check it off before I check out.
Sure hope that it is blowing snow...a snow game is an entertaining sight for us southern boys. Although I saw a light snow in the trees at my NC cabin at Halloween, I haven't seen snow on the ground in 25 years.
Going to New York city around the holidays is still on my bucket list. Hope to check it off before I check out.
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BC's advantage is that it is only 200 miles from Yankee Stadium and it has train service between the two cities whereas Penn State is 260 miles, though the drive maybe slightly easier as there are no major urban areas along I-80 until the NY/NY metro. The big advantage that Penn State's annual undergraduate class of 11,000 (44,000/4) versus BC's annual undergraduate class of 2,300 (9,200 undergraduates). Plus, Penn State has a lot of alumni in metro NYC (Silver has it listed as #2 after #1 Rutgers just ahead of ND, Syracuse, and UConn). With a proud football history, I believe Penn St will have a big edge in attendance at Yankee Stadium.
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It wasn't very long ago that 1,000's of UCONN fans would pack buses for the annual UCONN vs. St. John's game at MSG. It was a major event. MSG became such a home to UCONN for that annual event that Jarvis moved the annual game from the weekend to a week night hoping to give his boys a home crowd advantage and save the program from the downward spiral he caused. Neither result materialized. At least that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
BC, like many other Boston schools, has a passionate hockey following. But hockey is the only college sport that resonates in Boston. BC knows this and realizes that their efforts develop a decent following in other college sports could only be harmed by a strong UConn. So they will continue to try to thwart efforts by UConn to gain P-5 status and hide behind the "lawsuit" pretense to justify their obstruction.
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That's basically true, although the conference/TV would usually be the ones controlling game dates. What Jarvis and St. John's did to respond to the way UConn fans would overrun MSG was make it virtually impossible to purchase only UConn tickets in advance. You had to buy them in a package with a few other games, which was appealing to St. John's fans who planned on attending several but not to UConn fans who would be stuck with tix to 2 or 3 games they didn't give a crap about. This was before the StubHub era when the secondary market would have give UConn fans another avenue.
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Ditto for PC games at the Dunkin' Donut and Hall games at Continental Airlines Arena (now IZOD and before traffic became a lot worse). I have also been to UConn away games at Syracuse (not many UConn fans at all), ND (saw a few; but that game was held in the middle of some heavy lake effect snow, so not sure if UConn fans from Chicago would have been there if the weather was better) and BC during the Curley days (decent UConn showing for a smallish on-campus arena, I had a BC student ticket from a friend).
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I'll take Football Attendance at Drivable "Away" Locations for $200, Alex.
Answer: 30,479.
What is the question?
There is no doubt in my mind that Penn State, in their first bowl appearance in 2 years, is driving the secondary market. Not Boston College.
Answer: 30,479.
What is the question?
There is no doubt in my mind that Penn State, in their first bowl appearance in 2 years, is driving the secondary market. Not Boston College.
I will be stunned if it was much more than 10,000 - for reference, last year's BCS allotment for a championship game played in a 90,000 seat stadium was 17,500. Yankee Stadium is barely half the size.
Without question, Penn State is driving the secondary market. They have one of the largest and most active alumni bases in the United States, and they're located as close to the Bronx as Boston is (or closer).
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Where's 1978?
I want the question to my Jeopardy answer (and potentially a comical attempt of reconciliation of how BC is going to be at least 50/50 in attendance at the Pinstripe Bowl).
I want the question to my Jeopardy answer (and potentially a comical attempt of reconciliation of how BC is going to be at least 50/50 in attendance at the Pinstripe Bowl).
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Couple of things come to mind.
Duuuhh........Penn State is driving demand for the Pin Stripe. Come on!
BC1978 is right in his point of regional interest. College athletics is largely about regional markets except for a few programs (please.....BC is not one of them). Now, the little who was BC's previous AD did everything in his power to make sure that within BC's region there was no competition and thereby driving down interest, but I guess that's besides the point.
Duuuhh........Penn State is driving demand for the Pin Stripe. Come on!
BC1978 is right in his point of regional interest. College athletics is largely about regional markets except for a few programs (please.....BC is not one of them). Now, the little who was BC's previous AD did everything in his power to make sure that within BC's region there was no competition and thereby driving down interest, but I guess that's besides the point.
30,479??
I have no way of proving my statement or disproving yours right now. Neither do you. The only "proof" will come when we see the game on Saturday and even then we will likely disagree some. (Was it REALLY xx% - xx% or some other split? If so, what was the actual split? That data is not always readily accessible. We shall see.). Realistically, you are probably correct that there will likely be more PSU fans for the reasons you stated - but not that any more! I will be there and will give you my impressions, not that you will believe me if it is favorable to BC.
I do know this. The BC-PSU game sold out in 36 hours, which was a record for this Bowl, as the Bowl director has himself indicated in the article below. Both schools sold out their allotments immediately, with the remaining tickets sold in the NYC area, as the article indicated. This game sold out faster than the games which Notre Dame, Rutgers, and Syracuse played in, and that is not all PSU by any means.
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/..._bc_bowl_game_at_yankee_stadium_in_hot_demand
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