Even Belichick thinks Brady is guilty.

[mauconnfan]

Again ... this is like a pitcher using Vaseline or a small file on a baseball.

Are we really going through national convulsions over this issue? Only a sick mind would obsess over this.

Geez let me guess, a Patriots fan?

 

[mauconnfan]

I really can't decide which side is more pathetic. . . . .the Brady Bashers or Apologistas?

I don't think anyone should bash Brady, he's a 1st ballot HOFer w/o a doubt. It's the Pats/Kraft that should take a hit for history and Tom should have just fessed up this wouldn't have been a story. It really is relative to "pine tar and pitchers" right? Just trying to get an edge but there is history so trying to hide made matters worst.

 

[RedSoloCup]

I really can't decide which side is more pathetic. . . . .the Brady Bashers or Apologistas?

pass the popcorn? I am cracking another beer.

 

[Husky25]

I don't think anyone should bash Brady, he's a 1st ballot HOFer w/o a doubt. It's the Pats/Kraft that should take a hit for history and Tom should have just fessed up this wouldn't have been a story. It really is relative to "pine tar and pitchers" right? Just trying to get an edge but there is history so trying to hide made matters worst.

Fessed up to what?

The Wells report is not a judgment weighing facts. It's an accusation based on circumstantial evidence, innuendo, and conjecture. The equipment manager and ball boy knew how Brady liked the footballs. I think Brady told them he liked the balls on the softer side of the range. I don't think in the least that Brady explicitly told them to take it upon themselves to under-inflate the balls below the range.

I think Brady ends up with a one or two game vacation and I think its for not fully cooperating (I also think that needs to be stipulated in the ruling, but it probably won't), which I don't blame him for a second. A defendant isn't obligated to help make the prosecution's case for them, regardless of what the CBA says.

From the beginning Well's marching orders were, IMO, no blame on the Shield or the Refs. Everyone else is fair game.

 

[mauconnfan]

Fessed up to what?

The Wells report is not a judgment weighing facts. It's an accusation based on circumstantial evidence, innuendo, and conjecture. The equipment manager and ball boy knew how Brady liked the footballs. I think Brady told them he liked the balls on the softer side of the range. I don't think in the least that Brady explicitly told them to take it upon themselves to under-inflate the balls below the range.

I think Brady ends up with a one or two game vacation and I think its for not fully cooperating (I also think that needs to be stipulated in the ruling, but it probably won't), which I don't blame him for a second. A defendant isn't obligated to help make the prosecution's case for them, regardless of what the CBA says.

From the beginning Well's marching orders were, IMO, no blame on the Shield or the Refs. Everyone else is fair game.

I'm sorry you're right he didn't do anything and 2 ball boys took upon themselves to change the rules of a playoff game (as if it was the 1st time) all by their little selves. wow

 

[Husky25]

I'm sorry you're right he didn't do anything and 2 ball boys took upon themselves to change the rules of a playoff game (as if it was the 1st time) all by their little selves. wow

Did you read the report or Wellsreportincontext.com, which includes portions of the Wells Report? If not, then your opinion and $1.50 will get me a cup of coffee.

The Report concluded that the ball pressure may have been appropriate given the atmospheric conditions and when measured with the logoed gage, which is what Walt Anderson, who up until that point was above reproach, claimed he used to his best recollection. All of a sudden the Wells investigators have doubt over which gage he used.

 

[mauconnfan]

Did you read the report or Wellsreportincontext.com, which includes portions of the Wells Report? If not, then your opinion and $1.50 will get me a cup of coffee.

The Report concluded that the ball pressure may have been appropriate given the atmospheric conditions and when measured with the logoed gage, which is what Walt Anderson, who up until that point was above reproach, claimed he used to his best recollection. All of a sudden the Wells investigators have doubt over which gage he used.

No I didn't and your opinion won't even get me that cup of coffee because anyone thinking he didn't have a part in this is way too naive to discuss further. I'm done thanks for chipping in 25 I do believe you have a good point. But I'm not buying!

 

[J187Money]

Listen. Patriots fans want to talk about facts. And yet people close to the team tell me that Parcells intentionally tanked the SB to the Packers in order to piss of Kraft. And state it as a fact. Without proof of course.

 

[Redding Husky]

I don't recall this kind of rabid fury occurring when Jerry Rice admitted he used glue on his hands during his entire career ... a clear violation of the NFL rules. There were no cries of "cheater" or "competitive advantage"!

Deflategate is clearly all just Patriot hatred/jealousy, nothing more and nothing less.

 

[Husky25]

The thing is, being a Patriots fan has nothing to do with it. The sniff test is quite reliable and the Wells report (and the NFL, by extension in this case) simply just does not pass.

 

[J187Money]

The thing is, being a Patriots fan has nothing to do with it. The sniff test is quite reliable and the Wells report (and the NFL, by extension in this case) simply just does not pass.

Fair. But nobody other than Pats fans are crying like stuck pigs.

 

[Husky25]

Fair. But nobody other than Pats fans are crying like stuck pigs.

I'm a 30+ year 'Skins fan. $36 mil in salary cap was taken away over two years for not really breaking a non-rule (at the time). Sound familiar? No one paid attention. F the NFL executives.

I don't know Tom Brady and, other than fantasy league football, I don't care about Tom Brady. I do hope that Brady goes nuclear and exposes them all though, including the owners.

 

[willie99]

please do reconcile Belichick's detailed response to how balls can be deflated in game situations just a few days after his initial response with the idiotic allegation he doesn't believe Brady. Did anyone notive how the author chooses to ignore that? priceless baby

thanks for playing

as usual, haters being haters, ignoring the substance that debunks a silly argument they're trying to make, before such silly little argument gets off the starting block

don't worry haters, you still have Roger in your corner. The man that bats .000 once he loses justification, the man that one federal judge ruled "lives outside the law"

back to back beeatches, can't wait to see all the crying after that

 

[mauconnfan]

please do reconcile Belichick's detailed response to how balls can be deflated in game situations just a few days after his initial response with the idiotic allegation he doesn't believe Brady. Did anyone notive how the author chooses to ignore that? priceless baby

thanks for playing

as usual, haters being haters, ignoring the substance that debunks a silly argument they're trying to make, before such silly little argument gets off the starting block

don't worry haters, you still have Roger in your corner. The man that bats .000 once he loses justification, the man that one federal judge ruled "lives outside the law"

back to back beeatches, can't wait to see all the crying after that

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Impossible to get more "typical" than this!

 

[willie99]

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Impossible to get more "typical" than this!

sorry my friend, Belichick has made his position perfectly clear in his news conference about 5 days after the AFC Title game. He didn't mince words, he talked about why it's plausible balls can deflate. That news conference essentially renders the OP's author's hit piece based on unnamed "sources" trivial and meaningless. Reminds me of all the sources some of our boneyard friends have.

And as a Patriot's fan, I'm tired of such poppycock, I want Tom to have his day in court. Let the evidence speak for itself, let there be point and counter point, let the inaccurate leaks and fictional articles like this be put to rest.

Gee, the Patriots are notorious for being tight lipped, yet there's an inside man close to Belichick releasing rumors now that are inconsistent with the strong position Belichick took on the matter. The only plausible explanation for somebody actually swallowing such nonsense hook line and sinker is that they're blinded by hate.

As for Kraft, he signed a contract with his fellow owners, he can't file a lawsuit against the league. Although I suspect he's going to make motions to diminish Roger's powers soon enough. He knows now he made a mistake, there has to be some oversight for the commissioner.

 

[Palatine]

sorry my friend, Belichick has made his position perfectly clear in his news conference about 5 days after the AFC Title game. He didn't mince words, he talked about why it's plausible balls can deflate. That news conference essentially renders the OP's author's hit piece based on unnamed "sources" trivial and meaningless. Reminds me of all the sources some of our boneyard friends have.

And as a Patriot's fan, I'm tired of such poppycock, I want Tom to have his day in court. Let the evidence speak for itself, let there be point and counter point, let the inaccurate leaks and fictional articles like this be put to rest.

Gee, the Patriots are notorious for being tight lipped, yet there's an inside man close to Belichick releasing rumors now that are inconsistent with the strong position Belichick took on the matter.

As for Kraft, he signed a contract with his fellow owners, he can't file a lawsuit against the league. Although I suspect he's going to make motions to diminish Roger's powers soon enough. He knows now he made a mistake, there has to be some oversight over the commissioner.

Belichick is not god. Him saying something does not render everything else meaningless. LOL. The smoking gun emails did not cease to exist. The conversation with Senator Specter didn't evaporate. The balls didn't magically deflate themselves to Brady's preferred pressure. One ball for the kicker didn't deflate, another smoking gun.

Brady did it. Plain and simple. Please.

 

[willie99]

Belichick is not god. Him saying something does not render everything else meaningless. LOL. The smoking gun emails did not cease to exist. The conversation with Senator Specter didn't evaporate. The balls didn't magically deflate themselves to Brady's preferred pressure. One ball for the kicker didn't deflate, another smoking gun.

Brady did it. Plain and simple. Please.

Your smoking gun is a toy pistol. The biggest problem the NFL has is that there is no smoking gun.

Now, lets play this game a little more. Do you think the NFL looked at film from previous games? I'm assuming the ball boys must of had the same routine on a fairly regular bases, no? Yet no mention of such, why? How can that be? how is that remotely plausible? Do you think Brady decided he wanted to play with balls at a different PSI in that one game then he did all season long?

Or how about this. If the Colts balls start at 13 PSI, why did all four of their balls tested deflate by halftime? Why did the league stop measuring their balls after one was found to be "illegal". What would their case look like if a few more Colts balls were illegal?

And why were the measurements of two officials measuring side by side always different?

The NFL's case is a house of cards.

Brady wants his footballs to be 12.5 PSI, they can and do deflate from that point. A Nobel Prize winning scientist proves they can scientifically, I'm taking him over the Wells and Goodell.

 

[Husky25]

Your smoking gun is a toy pistol. The biggest problem the NFL has is that there is no smoking gun.

Now, lets play this game a little more. Do you think the NFL looked at film from previous games? I'm assuming the ball boys must of had the same routine on a fairly regular bases, no? Yet no mention of such, why? How can that be? how is that remotely plausible? Do you think Brady decided he wanted to play with balls at a different PSI in that one game then he did all season long?

Or how about this. If the Colts balls start at 13 PSI, why did all four of their balls tested deflate by halftime? Why did the league stop measuring their balls after one was found to be "illegal". What would their case look like if a few more Colts balls were illegal?

And why were the measurements of two officials measuring side by side always different?

The NFL's case is a house of cards.

Brady wants his footballs to be 12.5 PSI, they can and do deflate from that point. A Nobel Prize winning scientist proves they can scientifically, I'm taking him over the Wells and Goodell.

C'mon Willie, President Obama won a Nobel Prize. All Nobel Prizes, regardless of related field, prior and hence are immediately rendered meaningless. You should know this!

 

[mauconnfan]

Your smoking gun is a toy pistol. The biggest problem the NFL has is that there is no smoking gun.

Now, lets play this game a little more. Do you think the NFL looked at film from previous games? I'm assuming the ball boys must of had the same routine on a fairly regular bases, no? Yet no mention of such, why? How can that be? how is that remotely plausible? Do you think Brady decided he wanted to play with balls at a different PSI in that one game then he did all season long?

Or how about this. If the Colts balls start at 13 PSI, why did all four of their balls tested deflate by halftime? Why did the league stop measuring their balls after one was found to be "illegal". What would their case look like if a few more Colts balls were illegal?

And why were the measurements of two officials measuring side by side always different?

The NFL's case is a house of cards.

Brady wants his footballs to be 12.5 PSI, they can and do deflate from that point. A Nobel Prize winning scientist proves they can scientifically, I'm taking him over the Wells and Goodell.

Funny how many times Brady looked into the camera and said "There's nothing here to talk about I am not guilty. It will all work itself out legally when the time comes" HUH?

Oh yeah he didn't that's right. You know why........well even a Nobel prize following guy can figure that one out!

 

[willie99]

C'mon Willie, President Obama won a Nobel Prize. All Nobel Prizes, regardless of related field, prior and hence are immediately rendered meaningless. You should know this!

I think an award for "science" means something, while an award for "peace" is often times worthless

I mean a man who lived his whole life to murder people won a peace prize (Arafat), while the least prepared man in the room was nominated before he was even inaugurated (kinda like getting excited about Gisele's daughter when Gisele is 13 weeks pregnant)

damn, I seeking out trouble now, on so many fronts

 

[Husky25]

I think an award for "science" means something, while an award for "peace" is often times worthless

I mean a man who lived his whole life to murder people won a peace prize (Arafat), while the least prepared man in the room was nominated before he was even inaugurated (kinda like getting excited about Gisele's daughter when Gisele is 13 weeks pregnant)

damn, I seeking out trouble now, on so many fronts

My point, Willie, was to consider with whom you were arguing and some of the seemingly wild jumps to conclusion that have been made in the past on this and other Boneyard boards (Now I'm in that boat too. ).

 

[Palatine]

My point, Willie, was to consider with whom you were arguing and some of the seemingly wild jumps to conclusion that have been made in the past on this and other Boneyard boards (Now I'm in that boat too. ).

12 balls, 11 are deflated leaving one ball for the kicker. How convenient.

Did Belichick explain how the ball for the kicker was not subject to the laws of physics?

 

[Husky25]

12 balls, 11 are deflated leaving one ball for the kicker. How convenient.

Did Belichick explain how the ball for the kicker was not subject to the laws of physics?

What's convenient? The teams don't provide the footballs used for kicking or, more commonly referred to as, the "K" balls. The refs have full control of those, which go pretty much from the box to the field. There are even dedicated "K" Ball ballboys who wear bibs with a huge "K" on them. Team ball boys where bibs with an "X."

 

[J187Money]

I was at the game. Was pretty warm for January. I'm not a scientist but I am not sure that a ball would deflate much at 50-55 degrees.

 

[willie99]

12 balls, 11 are deflated leaving one ball for the kicker. How convenient.

Did Belichick explain how the ball for the kicker was not subject to the laws of physics?

"one for the kicker", please stop, you're not even in the game

but you've just provided another great example of misinformation, don't worry, you're not alone

 

[willie99]

I was at the game. Was pretty warm for January. I'm not a scientist but I am not sure that a ball would deflate much at 50-55 degrees.

Nobel Prize winning scientist said they can, and it's his field of expertise

and since the Colts' game balls start at 13 PSI, all 4 of their balls that were tested deflated too. One was even found to be illegal, so they didn't test the other 8 balls

now that's "convenient"

 

[J187Money]

Nobel Prize winning scientist said they can, and it's his field of expertise and since the Colts' game balls start at 13 PSI, all 4 of their balls that were tested deflated too. One was even found to be illegal, so they didn't test the other 8 balls now that's "convenient"

So then every ball at Lambeau field in December and January is probably illegal even if they inflate to 13.5 psi before the game. Right?

 

[willie99]

So then every ball at Lambeau field in December and January is probably illegal even if they inflate to 13.5 psi before the game. Right?

you're going to have to take that up with the Nobel Prize winning scientist who's practicing his profession

I'm just wondering why all 4 of the Colts balls that were tested deflated, and why they would stop testing the Colts balls after they found one of them to be illegal

maybe youse have an esplanation for dat stuff, other than "may be probable under conditions that might exist in a theoretical environment on some day and in some conditions that probably occur in certain circumstances"

 

[J187Money]

you're going to have to take that up with the Nobel Prize winning scientist who's practicing his profession I'm just wondering why all 4 of the Colts balls that were tested deflated, and why they would stop testing the Colts balls after they found one of them to be illegal maybe youse have an esplanation for dat stuff, other than "may be probable under conditions that might exist in a theoretical environment on some day and in some conditions that probably occur in certain circumstances"

I'm on record saying this whole thing is ridiculous. But if ball pressure is an issue it would be an issue in Green Bay and Buffalo all the time once you get into November. Unlike most people here, I'm not going to pretend to know facts that I don't know. Just lots of stuff here that doesn't make sense.

 

[upstater]

If the balls had been measured at half time of the October Patriots-Jets game, when they were way out of spec at 16 PSI, the Patriots would have been investigated for doctoring those balls.

And then the texts would have turned up showing discussion of overinflating balls (McNally said he was going to doctor them to make them into watermelons or rugby balls, based on Brady's instructions).

Brady would have been banned for 4 games (right around the time of the playoffs) and the Patriots would have lost multiple draft picks.

If they had only measured the balls at halftime of the Jets game, all of this could have easily happened.