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Evan Miya Preseason Ranking

The Purdue hype is pretty crazy. Everywhere they are a top 3 school, usually #1. We saw how this team played 2 years ago with the same roster minus Edey. Yes they’re 2 years older, but again they don’t have Edey. I just don’t get the Braden Smith hype, at least not consensus preseason NPOY. Kaufman Renn had a really good year last year, but I just think there’s some regression there. Loyer is Loyer. And Kluff is a good addition to round out the roster, but can he hold up when he’s not consistently playing against centers that are 6 inches shorter than him?

Lastly, Omer Mayer hype is off the charts, I guess because he’s international and that shiny mystery people can fantasize about. He’ll be good, I just don’t think a huge impact player year 1.

I think they’ll be top of the polls throughout the season because they’re playing in the annually overrated Big 10 and also have a relatively easy non-conference. But I could easily see this team getting bounced in the elite 8, if not earlier.
 
The Purdue hype is pretty crazy. Everywhere they are a top 3 school, usually #1. We saw how this team played 2 years ago with the same roster minus Edey. Yes they’re 2 years older, but again they don’t have Edey. I just don’t get the Braden Smith hype, at least not consensus preseason NPOY. Kaufman Renn had a really good year last year, but I just think there’s some regression there. Loyer is Loyer. And Kluff is a good addition to round out the roster, but can he hold up when he’s not consistently playing against centers that are 6 inches shorter than him?

Lastly, Omer Mayer hype is off the charts, I guess because he’s international and that shiny mystery people can fantasize about. He’ll be good, I just don’t think a huge impact player year 1.

I think they’ll be top of the polls throughout the season because they’re playing in the annually overrated Big 10 and also have a relatively easy non-conference. But I could easily see this team getting bounced in the elite 8, if not earlier.
If I thought much of Painter as a coach, I could see it, but I don't. Obviously they got punked as a 1 seed, and that demonstrated how little strategy that team had other than Edey. The next year, they still had only 1 plan....play edey 37 minutes a game or whatever. Which worked fine until they ran into a team that focused on perimeter defense...and they had no answer when edey inevitably tired out. (and before someone argues, edey got something like 17 points in garbage time after the initial spurt in the first 8 minutes or so)

Anyway, point is, i'm not convinced Painter is more than a one hit wonder....and i'm not convinced he got as much as he should have out of the edey teams....and i'm not convinced he's going to get the best out of these teams either.
 
The Purdue hype is pretty crazy. Everywhere they are a top 3 school, usually #1. We saw how this team played 2 years ago with the same roster minus Edey. Yes they’re 2 years older, but again they don’t have Edey. I just don’t get the Braden Smith hype, at least not consensus preseason NPOY. Kaufman Renn had a really good year last year, but I just think there’s some regression there. Loyer is Loyer. And Kluff is a good addition to round out the roster, but can he hold up when he’s not consistently playing against centers that are 6 inches shorter than him?

Lastly, Omer Mayer hype is off the charts, I guess because he’s international and that shiny mystery people can fantasize about. He’ll be good, I just don’t think a huge impact player year 1.

I think they’ll be top of the polls throughout the season because they’re playing in the annually overrated Big 10 and also have a relatively easy non-conference. But I could easily see this team getting bounced in the elite 8, if not earlier.
You don't get the Braden Smith NPOY hype? He was the Big Ten Player of the Year and a consensus 1st Team All American and he returned to school. That's the kind of guy that always gets picked for pre-season POTY. Plus, the all-time NCAA assists record is within his reach if he averages the same number of assists as last year and plays a few games into the NCAA tournament. If he sets the record and Purdue is a top 1 or 2 seed, he'll win the award.

No reason given why Kaufman Renn would get a year older and regress. Loyer is one of the best shooters in the country. Mayer will add an element of dynamism to their offense. Jacobsen is back from injury and will add the rim protection they lacked last season. Cluff is an awesome rebounder (which translates well up levels), they don't need him to be a star.

If I thought much of Painter as a coach, I could see it, but I don't. Obviously they got punked as a 1 seed, and that demonstrated how little strategy that team had other than Edey. The next year, they still had only 1 plan....play edey 37 minutes a game or whatever. Which worked fine until they ran into a team that focused on perimeter defense...and they had no answer when edey inevitably tired out. (and before someone argues, edey got something like 17 points in garbage time after the initial spurt in the first 8 minutes or so)

Anyway, point is, i'm not convinced Painter is more than a one hit wonder....and i'm not convinced he got as much as he should have out of the edey teams....and i'm not convinced he's going to get the best out of these teams either.
Painter has finished in the KenPom top 25 for 10 straight years. The top 10 five times in that stretch. He's the exact opposite of a one hit wonder.
 
The Purdue hype is pretty crazy. Everywhere they are a top 3 school, usually #1. We saw how this team played 2 years ago with the same roster minus Edey. Yes they’re 2 years older, but again they don’t have Edey. I just don’t get the Braden Smith hype, at least not consensus preseason NPOY. Kaufman Renn had a really good year last year, but I just think there’s some regression there. Loyer is Loyer. And Kluff is a good addition to round out the roster, but can he hold up when he’s not consistently playing against centers that are 6 inches shorter than him?

Lastly, Omer Mayer hype is off the charts, I guess because he’s international and that shiny mystery people can fantasize about. He’ll be good, I just don’t think a huge impact player year 1.

I think they’ll be top of the polls throughout the season because they’re playing in the annually overrated Big 10 and also have a relatively easy non-conference. But I could easily see this team getting bounced in the elite 8, if not earlier.
It’s hard to find 3 better rosters on paper than the one with the best offensive player in the country, and a 20 ppg post scorer. Before even getting to the reliability of Loyer and Cluff and the other good talents on the roster. Purdue has been consistently really good for awhile now, including before Edey. I
 
Painter has finished in the KenPom top 25 for 10 straight years. The top 10 five times in that stretch. He's the exact opposite of a one hit wonder.
and has made it out of the sweet 16 exactly twice in those 10 years. He is the posterchild for a coach who can get some decent recruits, but can't actually coach them to their potential.
 
I still feel the same way about Purdue as I did in a thread a few months ago - "Not high on Purdue. I'm probably just a hater considering they were good last year, but Smith/Renn/Loyer don't move me as the core of your team with Braden as the guy. Yeah they made the S16 but got a lucky 2nd round matchup to get there". The scout that has killed Braden in March for 3 straight years still applies: he's 6'0 and small, play physical defense and you can take him out of the game

Michigan is tough - they're bringing a lot of guys in so they should be really good. I'm sure Yaxel being Evan's #2 player (which is...interesting) is what puts them there. But I think UConn should be 1-2 spots higher considering those two teams

No St Johns??
 
and has made it out of the sweet 16 exactly twice in those 10 years. He is the posterchild for a coach who can get some decent recruits, but can't actually coach them to their potential.
He doesn't get high recruits. He coaches up mediocre recruits to strong seasons. Their only top 50 recruit on the roster is Kaufman-Renn at exactly #50. Loyer and Smith are outside of the top 100 guys. Edey was an outside of the top 400 guy. They've been to 6 Sweet 16s or later in the last 10 years, with 2 of those being an Elite 8 and a Championship game appearance. Dan Hurley has been to two S16s total.
 
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He doesn't get high recruits. He coaches up mediocre recruits to strong seasons. Their only top 50 recruit on the roster is Kaufman-Renn at exactly #50. Loyer and Smith are outside of the top 100 guys. Edey was an outside of the top 400 guy. They've been to 6 Sweet 16s or later in the last 10 years, with 2 of those being an Elite 8 and a Championship game appearance. Dan Hurley has been to two S16s total.
And because of that doesn’t have what you would call physical talent. He coaches up guys that aren’t as physically gifted, and there is something to be said for that. I don’t think Purdue is the kind of team that is going to overwhelm anyone. They will be beatable, and will run into issues against team physically superior. I can see it both ways. They have invaluable experience and chemistry, some very talented players, but will never win because they are bigger, stronger, faster, more athletic. With that will always be susceptible to being knocked around and smothered, will have to win on execution. It’s the opposite of a Duke last year that was massive and athletic, but young. This team has no first round draft picks on their roster.

Painter is a damn good coach.
 
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Why is it “impossible” for them to be a top 3 team?
Theyre not being billed as just a “top 3 team”. They’re being billed as the number 1 team in the sport and being compared to 2023 UConn. Besides the fact that preseason number 1’s don’t normally live up to that billing, they won’t be as dominant as 2023 UConn. Need I remind you what that team accomplished and how they did it?
 
If I thought much of Painter as a coach, I could see it, but I don't. Obviously they got punked as a 1 seed, and that demonstrated how little strategy that team had other than Edey. The next year, they still had only 1 plan....play edey 37 minutes a game or whatever. Which worked fine until they ran into a team that focused on perimeter defense...and they had no answer when edey inevitably tired out. (and before someone argues, edey got something like 17 points in garbage time after the initial spurt in the first 8 minutes or so)

Anyway, point is, i'm not convinced Painter is more than a one hit wonder....and i'm not convinced he got as much as he should have out of the edey teams....and i'm not convinced he's going to get the best out of these teams either.

Three things about Painter/Edey and that Purdue team. 1) UConn had perhaps the best player in the country since Embiid to being able to stop/slow Edey in the paint and play him straight up in Clingan, Clingan doesn't exist, or isn't at UConn and Purdue has a NC that year. 2) Edey may have gotten 17 points in garbage time but he also basically fouled out UConn's topnotch center rotation. Against any other team and that is enough. 3) UConn won not just because they focused on perimeter defense but because they were just the better team and the best team in country when healthy by a large margin.

Basically, I don't think that singular game shows how Painter is a bad coach, or that his strategy with Edey was flawed. If he has a flaw it is sticking with players too much (Loyer) and not recruiting better talent.
 
This year's Purdue team has two key pieces that last year's did not have. The #1 defensive rebounder in the country, Oscar Cluff and one of the top International players, Omer Mayer..who should complement Smith well.
Painter coaches and recruits in an honest and straightforward way. He is an excellent ambassador for the University
 

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