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ESPN's POY and FF picks

I think Uconn is safely in the final 4. I saw that Utah was a 2 seed in their region. Gonna have to see it to believe that's gonna happen.
 
Clark deserves POY. I thought she deserved it last year, though Boston was also a worthy winner and would be worthy of the award again this year.

I’m also glad they’re recognizing Siegrist. She deserves AA status. I still think Edwards deserves a spot on the 1st team AA list, but I don’t know who she replaces if they’re still going with 3 posts and 2 guards.
 
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MilfordHusky said:
My top 2 POY candidates are (1) Clark and (2) Siegrist. They are the top 2 scorers in the nation, playing in strong conferences, and are the primary reasons their team is successful.
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I think I agree with this completely.

It's not a question of previous years, but of what someone has done this year. That why it's called Player of the Year. Boston is unquestionable a great player, maybe the greatest in WCBB. But Clark is having a better year this time around.

Also, it's not just about stats alone, although these matter. But it's also gotta take into account whether you're valuable to your team's success. The point was well taken that Clark means a lot more to Iowa's success than Boston does to SC's, and the same could be said for Siegrist and Villanova. I'm not saying Boston is irrelevant to SC's success, but only that they could probably limp to another NC if she were injured. I'm not sure Iowa or Villanova win another game without Clark or Siegrist.
 
MilfordHusky said:
My top 2 POY candidates are (1) Clark and (2) Siegrist. They are the top 2 scorers in the nation, playing in strong conferences, and are the primary reasons their team is successful.
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I immediately went to Sports-Reference when I saw the post that it has NCAAW now. Siegrist has a Player Efficiency Rating of 48 and 9.8 win shares! Reese is the only player close in either category.

I still think it's Clark's unless she absolutely melts down, but the stats heads really opened up my eyes.

I was glad to see Holmes mentioned in the article. I'd put her third behind Clark and Siegrist.
 
Bone Dog said:
I think I agree with this completely.

It's not a question of previous years, but of what someone has done this year. That why it's called Player of the Year. Boston is unquestionable a great player, maybe the greatest in WCBB. But Clark is having a better year this time around.

Also, it's not just about stats alone, although these matter. But it's also gotta take into account whether you're valuable to your team's success. The point was well taken that Clark means a lot more to Iowa's success than Boston does to SC's, and the same could be said for Siegrist and Villanova. I'm not saying Boston is irrelevant to SC's success, but only that they could probably limp to another NC if she were injured. I'm not sure Iowa or Villanova win another game without Clark or Siegrist.
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Completely agree... I have said it many times... Player of the YEAR really should NOT have anything to do with Last Year's selectee OR the nearly useless "Pre-Season" selectee. They need to do it on the court during the season the award is for...or SHOULD be.
I would vote Clark as the NPOY for the 22 - 23 Season. Boston got hers last year...and will likely go #1 in WNBA draft this year, but even she said, without hesitation, that Cordoso was the difference maker in their 4 point win over UCONN, their smallest margin of victory all season. Clark has been incredible this year and deserves it... IMHO
 
Boston is a great and dominant player, but she's not the leading scorer on her team. Cooke is. I've seen multiple S.C. games in which the best player on the floor was Cardoso. Boston is clearly a top-10 player, maybe a top-5 player, but not the top-1 this season.
 
visitingcock said:
If Iowa bows out in the round of 32 and Siegrist is still around in the Sweet 16, does the extra publicity carry her over Clark’s publicity lead?
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It may take something like that in order for Siegrist to get the consideration she deserves.
 
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visitingcock said:
If Iowa bows out in the round of 32 and Siegrist is still around in the Sweet 16, does the extra publicity carry her over Clark’s publicity lead?
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I think the voting is done before the tournament. Not 100% sure though.

That's what happened to Kemba in '11 when he didn't win and Jimmer did. Vote was done before tournament started and that is why Kemba didn't win it.
 
Minicoop69 said:
I think the voting is done before the tournament. Not 100% sure though.

That's what happened to Kemba in '11 when he didn't win and Jimmer did. Vote was done before tournament started and that is why Kemba didn't win it.
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Ballots are due at the conclusion of the Elite 8
 
There are multiple player-of-the-year awards. It's possible they could be split this year. I suspect they're not all voted on at the same time, and as pointed out above, that may have an effect this year.
 
Boston is the best women's college basketball player on the planet. If all the candidates for Player of the Year were to enter the WNBA draft, Boston would still go #1. Dawn wouldn't trade her for anyone. Dominant offensively and dominant defensively, none of the others are!
 
RadfordRam said:
Boston is the best women's college basketball player on the planet. If all the candidates for Player of the Year were to enter the WNBA draft, Boston would still go #1. Dawn wouldn't trade her for anyone. Dominant offensively and dominant defensively, none of the others are!
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I don’t disagree, but as a result of what you’ve mentioned teams have built their entire scheme around stopping her, and Boston’s deference to her teammates at times has pretty much unquestionably made SC deeper and better. She’s there in the biggest moments and the others have taken strides for the smaller spotlights when she’s double- and triple-teamed.

But as far as NPOY goes, statistical production still matters and Clark, Siegrist, and Holmes are miles ahead of the pack. At this point I would actually vote Holmes.
 
Clark is my vote for POY. Boston is great but Clark carries her team night after night and puts up unbelievable stats.
 
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Definitely Clark! I’d probably vote Seigrist second, Boston third, and Reese/Seneschal/Edwards fourth.
 
I have Clark as the clear pick IMO. What she’s accomplished so far is pretty unprecedented. Boston is a beast in big games and stepping up her play but Clark is on another level. Siegrist is great, but I don’t see a case for her over Clark who has better overall numbers and better team success, plus monster showings vs ranked teams. Holmes is having a great year too. Those 4 have separated themselves from the pack IMO.
 
RadfordRam said:
Boston is the best women's college basketball player on the planet. If all the candidates for Player of the Year were to enter the WNBA draft, Boston would still go #1. Dawn wouldn't trade her for anyone. Dominant offensively and dominant defensively, none of the others are!
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How is Aliyah dominant offensively with her 13 points, 3 offensive rebounds and 1.6 assists per game? I understand she defers, and doesn't play that many minutes, but how is that dominant?
 
It might be hard to vote against Siegrist if she has a couple more games like her last two (double-doubles with 50 and 39 points, no fouls and 1 turnover).
 
RadfordRam said:
Boston is the best women's college basketball player on the planet. If all the candidates for Player of the Year were to enter the WNBA draft, Boston would still go #1. Dawn wouldn't trade her for anyone. Dominant offensively and dominant defensively, none of the others are!
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Not even close to Clark and Seigrist. They are basketball players. Boston is a big girl that is able to push people around and rebound. If she were not playing, South Carolina would still be a winning team.
 
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fomalhaut said:
It might be hard to vote against Siegrist if she has a couple more games like her last two (double-doubles with 50 and 39 points, no fouls and 1 turnover).
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Yep, Maddy had 39 and 10 tonight on 15-26 shooting. She also plays heavy minutes, but doesn't seem to suffer from fatigue.

Caitlin had 24, 6, and 8 on only 12 shots in an easy win tonight.
 
fomalhaut said:
It might be hard to vote against Siegrist if she has a couple more games like her last two (double-doubles with 50 and 39 points, no fouls and 1 turnover).
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As long as she doesn't have one of those games on Saturday.
 
It isn't even clear just from looking at the stats that Boston is even the best player on South Carolina right now. Cardoso is playing about 2/3 as many minutes, but is ahead of Boston on a per-40 basis in scoring, rebounding, and blocked shots. (Yes, I realize that stats don't show everything. But Boston isn't playing the minutes or putting up the numbers that a POY should be. Has any POY failed to finish in the top 250 in scoring?).

For me it's Siegrist and Clarke battling it out for the major awards. It may come down to which team goes farther in the NCAA tournament.
 
MilfordHusky said:
Yep, Maddy had 39 and 10 tonight on 15-26 shooting. She also plays heavy minutes, but doesn't seem to suffer from fatigue.

Caitlin had 24, 6, and 8 on only 12 shots in an easy win tonight.
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89 points for Siegrist in the last 2 games on 35-52 shooting. Pretty incredible.

Clark with a quiet night by her standards but would be a career night for almost anyone else (on 75% shooting no less). She's also now in 1st place nationally in assists per game and just behind Siegrist for points.

In the history of women's college basketball, only 4 players have surpassed 1000 points in a single season and there's a very real possibility that both Clark/Siegrist hit that milestone.
 
fomalhaut said:
It isn't even clear just from looking at the stats that Boston is even the best player on South Carolina right now. Cardoso is playing about 2/3 as many minutes, but is ahead of Boston on a per-40 basis in scoring, rebounding, and blocked shots. (Yes, I realize that stats don't show everything. But Boston isn't playing the minutes or putting up the numbers that a POY should be. Has any POY failed to finish in the top 250 in scoring?).

For me it's Siegrist and Clarke battling it out for the major awards. It may come down to which team goes farther in the NCAA tournament.
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I don't believe Rizzotti or Bird were top 250 scorers when they won POY awards (granted that was 20+ years ago, but worth noting). I agree though, I don't think the stats are there for Boston, though she's been outstanding in the marquee games is the same dominant force even if SC has a more varied offensive attack this year.
 
Boston is the most dominant player in college basketball. She can score, defend, rebound and pass which is unusual for a person of her physical stature. Clark is also incredible but most of what she brings is on the offensive side of the ball. With that said if you base it on the stats alone I think she will win going away.

I do think SC would be a top 10 without Boston but not nearly as scary as they are now. If Clark is out for Iowa I'm not sure the are even top 15 team. If either of them win I think most people would understand how they won, anyone else I'm not sure the same would be said. They are all great players and really fun to watch.
 
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