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But don’t they know the New Big East is P6? A10 has as many Top 25 teams as the AAC? Oh, and the NBE. Perception is finally catching up with performance.

Cue the But Villanova…
 
Before any one thinks about responding to the imbecile clown above, remember this
 

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MJ1 said:
Look at the source, ESPN does not have contract with Big East. So easy for them to leave UConn and Xavier off as both of these schools are on other 25 board’s. It’s not where you start it’s where you finish.
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I would edit the last line:

"It is not where you are arbitrarily rated by a company that has no interest in your success, its where you finish."
 
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The Big East is basically a good basketball conference. That's not an insult. It is a supportable position.

But I care about the BE as much as Gonzaga cares about the West Coast Conference. I think the Huskies should dominate it, play a strong non-conference schedule, and not have to worry about.
 
Not ideal, but I think the Big East will be somewhat better than people think. The bottom tier will be quite weak, but the same can be said about most other power conferences. The middle tier Big East should be marginally improved.

Recruiting has improved the last couple classes, so that should pay dividends moving forward.

NIL might offer niche opportunities for good players who hope to capture more of the market at a basketball school.

Anyway, this ESPN top 25 doesn't change my earlier prediction about NCAA tournament qualifiers. 4 or 5 teams.

Villanova
UConn
Xavier
Seton Hall
*+ 1 Wildcard: St John's (if Champagnie returns) or Butler
 
Palatine said:
The Big East is basically a good basketball conference. That's not an insult. It is a supportable position.

But I care about the BE as much as Gonzaga cares about the West Coast Conference. I think the Huskies should dominate it, play a strong non-conference schedule, and not have to worry about.
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Personally, I care about playing Big East teams far, far, far more than I did about playing teams in the American. Would it be better for Connecticut to have teams the fans care about less and make more money in a P5? Absolutely, but from a fan perspective I like our conference mates in the Big East.
 
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freescooter said:
But don’t they know the New Big East is P6? A10 has as many Top 25 teams as the AAC? Oh, and the NBE. Perception is finally catching up with performance.

Cue the But Villanova…
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good thing we chose the BE over all those P5 offers….

What are you even arguing? This is what we call a strawman argument.
 
JimCtheGOAT said:
good thing we chose the BE over all those P5 offers….

What are you even arguing? This is what we call a strawman argument.
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I don't think he's arguing anything. He just likes to tell us all how much the Big East sucks anytime there's a hint of an opening to do so. I'm not a psychologist but he seems to enjoy being miserable and likes everyone else to be also.
 
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freescooter said:
But don’t they know the New Big East is P6? A10 has as many Top 25 teams as the AAC? Oh, and the NBE. Perception is finally catching up with performance.

Cue the But Villanova…
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Go back to the Football Board. At least you're not insufferable over there with your low expectations.
 
CL82 said:
Personally, I care about playing Big East teams far, far, far more than I did about playing teams in the American. Would it be better for Connecticut to have teams the fans care about less and make more money in a P5? Absolutely, but from a fan perspective I like our conference mates in the Big East.
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Well, there's really only one P5 who might possibly consider UConn down the road. And we would certainly care even more about most of the opponents.
 
I better never see the above 2 dopes on a thread celebrating a commitment from a 4 star who would have never chosen us over Power 5/big east competition if not for us being in the Big East now.

oh what’s that? Palatine was all happy in the DC thread the last 48 hours? Shocker. Wonder if Hurley would have landed all these targets promising them Dickies Arena in March and ECU and Tulane. We have quotes from family members, coaches, and players that of course suggest no. So we should all remember that when palatine tries to have his deserts and act all happy when we get these commitments. there’s absolutely zero evidence freescooter is a UConn fan if you read his posts so whatever with him.
 
ASweet3781 said:
I better never see the above 2 dopes on a thread celebrating a commitment from a 4 star who would have never chosen us over Power 5/big east competition if not for us being in the Big East now.

oh what’s that? Palatine was all happy in the DC thread the last 48 hours? Shocker. Wonder if Hurley would have landed all these targets promising them Dickies Arena in March and ECU and Tulane. We have quotes from family members, coaches, and players that of course suggest no. So we should all remember that when palatine tries to have his deserts and act all happy when we get these commitments. there’s absolutely zero evidence freescooter is a UConn fan if you read his posts so whatever with him.
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Actually, freescooter is a Uconn Football fan and his posts on that board reflect that. Either that or he's a better football troll than he is at Basketball one.
 
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Translation: Borzello is understandably reluctant to speculate publicly on the starting five.
 
storrsroars said:
Well, there's really only one P5 who might possibly consider UConn down the road. And we would certainly care even more about most of the opponents.
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Fair point: Duke, UNC, Cuse, BC (for a while), ND and maybe Pitt. Virginia is a good game. NC ST usually has a solid team. That's most of the opponents.

Big Ten has a decent list as well: Maryland, Michigan, Mich St., probably Rutty and Penn State based on proximity.

But playing in the Big East has been a refreshing change from our day in the waste land known at the American Conference.
 
ASweet3781 said:
I better never see the above 2 dopes on a thread celebrating a commitment from a 4 star who would have never chosen us over Power 5/big east competition if not for us being in the Big East now.

oh what’s that? Palatine was all happy in the DC thread the last 48 hours? Shocker. Wonder if Hurley would have landed all these targets promising them Dickies Arena in March and ECU and Tulane. We have quotes from family members, coaches, and players that of course suggest no. So we should all remember that when palatine tries to have his deserts and act all happy when we get these commitments. there’s absolutely zero evidence freescooter is a UConn fan if you read his posts so whatever with him.
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Nope. UCONN fan though and through. Alumnus. Letterman. Put up Blue and White Christmas lights on my house when we won the 1999 title. I just think this move was short sighted for many reasons. Unless we do as palatine says, and I question whether we will, this was a move toward being a regional not national power.
Every bit of actual evidence indicates that there is 1 and only 1 national program in the NEWBIE. I suspect Wright looks at the rest of the league as a place to pad his win total against solid competitions. Nobody there is a threat to challenge Villanova for supremacy, but he isn’t getting penalized for playing them.

As for the rest of it, baseball is screwed. The woman are fine until Geno goes then we’ll see.

Academically we are now associating with a bunch of solid regional colleges. Plus Georgetown who is the only national university among the bunch.

I don’t and didn’t love the AAC. But I believe that long term it will eventually outperform the NEWBIE. It is made up of a group of schools who are committed to success in multiple sports. They have major and in some cases very significant graduate programs too. They offer real academic degrees, MDs, PHDs, not just the ubiquitous MBA and Masters in Religious Education. The NEWBIE care about men’s basketball but for the most part the members have neither the understanding, the resources nor the desire to be more than significant regional players. I’m not sure DePaul even has that.
 
ASweet3781 said:
I better never see the above 2 dopes on a thread celebrating a commitment from a 4 star who would have never chosen us over Power 5/big east competition if not for us being in the Big East now.

oh what’s that? Palatine was all happy in the DC thread the last 48 hours? Shocker. Wonder if Hurley would have landed all these targets promising them Dickies Arena in March and ECU and Tulane. We have quotes from family members, coaches, and players that of course suggest no. So we should all remember that when palatine tries to have his deserts and act all happy when we get these commitments. there’s absolutely zero evidence freescooter is a UConn fan if you read his posts so whatever with him.
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After every recruit we hear we would never have gotten them in the AAC. But no one knows. We had the number five (#6?) recruiting class in the nation in the AAC. There was just a Courant article on them. So I find your logic faulty. Believe what you want.

The Big East is a good basketball conference. The AAC had a final four team last year. But that reality is not what I am interested in.

What I am interested in, what I would like, is UConn to get into a P5 conference. That should be our goal. I'm for anything that furthers that goal. That is the brass ring. I get playing the tourney in MSG is very cool and lots of UConn fans love it. I do too. But I would give up the BET in a heartbeat to move to a P5 conference. The move to the BE was a step backwards for UConn sports in general. But I get the emotional connection and excitement associated with the basketball. I just take a broader view. I'm have followed UConn since family members started going their in the 1950s. I'm an alum.

But I do get get tired of the BE groupies wetting themselves every time we get a recruit and saying something that can never be proven. My perspective is as valid as any other on this board which is to say it is meaningless. Go Huskies.
 
freescooter said:
Nope. UCONN fan though and through. Alumnus. Letterman. Put up Blue and White Christmas lights on my house when we won the 1999 title. I just think this move was short sighted for many reasons. Unless we do as palatine says, and I question whether we will, this was a move toward being a regional not national power.
Every bit of actual evidence indicates that there is 1 and only 1 national program in the NEWBIE. I suspect Wright looks at the rest of the league as a place to pad his win total against solid competitions. Nobody there is a threat to challenge Villanova for supremacy, but he isn’t getting penalized for playing them.

As for the rest of it, baseball is screwed. The woman are fine until Geno goes then we’ll see.

Academically we are now associating with a bunch of solid regional colleges. Plus Georgetown who is the only national university among the bunch.

I don’t and didn’t love the AAC. But I believe that long term it will eventually outperform the NEWBIE. It is made up of a group of schools who are committed to success in multiple sports. They have major and in some cases very significant graduate programs too. They offer real academic degrees, MDs, PHDs, not just the ubiquitous MBA and Masters in Religious Education. The NEWBIE care about men’s basketball but for the most part the members have neither the understanding, the resources nor the desire to be more than significant regional players. I’m not sure DePaul even has that.
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I feel as if you aren't even trying much anymore Scooter.

Ranking of the top 5 "national universities" for each conference as per US News and World Report.

Key - Big East American

Georgetown #23
Tulane #41
Villanova #53
UConn #63
USF #103
Creighton #111
Seton Hall #133
Cincinnati #143
Tulsa #143 (tie)
UCF # 160


FYI Houston is #173. By way of comparison the branch campuses of Rutgers in Newark and Camden are also "national universities" and ranked 118 and 153 respectively.
 
As far as academic rankings go...UConn would fit right in the ACC...and if it was about academics and wasn't about football, I think that Louisville would be in the Big 12 now and UConn in the ACC.

National University

#12 Duke
#19 Notre Dame
#26 Virginia
#28 UNC
#28 Wake Forest
#35 Boston College
#35 GT
#49 Miami
#58 FSU
#58 Syracuse
#58 Pittsburgh
#63 UConn
#74 Clemson
#74 VT
#80 NC State

and

#176 Louisville
 
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CL82 said:
Personally, I care about playing Big East teams far, far, far more than I did about playing teams in the American. Would it be better for Connecticut to have teams the fans care about less and make more money in a P5? Absolutely, but from a fan perspective I like our conference mates in the Big East.
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I believe that that sentiment is important, throughout.

The overall perceived interest in individual games does much to drive eyeballs. And that drives perceptions as to the team rankings. This is influential (perhaps at an outsized level) among the people who vote in coaches' polls, and syndicated columnist polls, as well, IMHO.
 
freescooter said:
Nope. UCONN fan though and through. Alumnus. Letterman. Put up Blue and White Christmas lights on my house when we won the 1999 title. I just think this move was short sighted for many reasons. Unless we do as palatine says, and I question whether we will, this was a move toward being a regional not national power.
Every bit of actual evidence indicates that there is 1 and only 1 national program in the NEWBIE. I suspect Wright looks at the rest of the league as a place to pad his win total against solid competitions. Nobody there is a threat to challenge Villanova for supremacy, but he isn’t getting penalized for playing them.

As for the rest of it, baseball is screwed. The woman are fine until Geno goes then we’ll see.

Academically we are now associating with a bunch of solid regional colleges. Plus Georgetown who is the only national university among the bunch.

I don’t and didn’t love the AAC. But I believe that long term it will eventually outperform the NEWBIE. It is made up of a group of schools who are committed to success in multiple sports. They have major and in some cases very significant graduate programs too. They offer real academic degrees, MDs, PHDs, not just the ubiquitous MBA and Masters in Religious Education. The NEWBIE care about men’s basketball but for the most part the members have neither the understanding, the resources nor the desire to be more than significant regional players. I’m not sure DePaul even has that.
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I think, and it's only my opinion, that you must type this stuff knowing that the majority of the posters on here think you are delusional. How can the person who thinks that the Football team is going out to Fresno for their first game in well over a year and your prediction is 54-14 UConn...and that right there is all the proof any of us need.
 
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billybud said:
As far as academic rankings go...UConn would fit right in the ACC...and if it was about academics and wasn't about football, I think that Louisville would be in the Big 12 now and UConn in the ACC.

National University

#12 Duke
#19 Notre Dame
#26 Virginia
#28 UNC
#28 Wake Forest
#35 Boston College
#35 GT
#49 Miami
#58 FSU
#58 Syracuse
#58 Pittsburgh
#63 UConn
#74 Clemson
#74 VT
#80 NC State

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#176 Louisville
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fit right in the bottom 4/5
this is useless-sorry
 
freescooter said:
I don’t and didn’t love the AAC. But I believe that long term it will eventually outperform the NEWBIE. It is made up of a group of schools who are committed to success in multiple sports. They have major and in some cases very significant graduate programs too. They offer real academic degrees, MDs, PHDs, not just the ubiquitous MBA and Masters in Religious Education. The NEWBIE care about men’s basketball but for the most part the members have neither the understanding, the resources nor the desire to be more than significant regional players. I’m not sure DePaul even has that.
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I’m not sure how you jumped from being committed to success in multiple sports over to academics, but figured I’d point out that the academics at the top school in the AAC, Tulane, has literally held their athletics back and made it one of the most difficult coaching jobs in the country. But if you would like more schools like that, then I’m sure you wouldnt mind schools like Rice joining the AAC. Also, personally I think lots of these academic rankings are BS.

For the record, I’m actually a big fan of the AAC and love rooting for them in football (and even basketball). I think they’re annually underrated in those two major sports (especially the middle of the pack teams). But Uconn is just a better fit in the big east, particularly geographically. It’s tough to recruit when the biggest name schools you play in the AAC are halfway across the country. Yeah football is left in the dust, but they weren’t doing much better in the AAC. At least now, expenses are less of a loss.

Also one last point, ESPN knows absolutely nothing outside of Duke/Kentucky/UNC and they’re just guessing when it comes to college basketball.
 
UCSouth said:
I think, and it's only my opinion, that you must type this stuff knowing that the majority of the posters on here think you are delusional. How can the person who thinks that the Football team is going out to Fresno for their first game in well over a year and your prediction is 54-14 UConn...and that right there is all the proof any of us need.
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So he is an optimist when it comes to UConn football but a pessimist with UConn men's basketball? That's very strange. To each his own, I guess.
 
Must be summer cause we’re getting into the annual pissing match regarding does recruiting look different in the AAC or NBE.

Spoiler, someone will post conference recruiting rankings soon & BE wins
 
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