ESPN HoopGurlz shake up the 2015 Rankings

[HuskyFan1125]

First time I have seen 2 international players in the top 10 let alone the top 5.

Rankings are fun to look at but I don't carry much weight with them. You have to see players play and rate their potential (I suppose).

Again, have trust in Geno! I do!! Kelly Faris was rated in the 3o's and I wouldn't trade her for anyone else in her class.

 

[EricSD]

I would have to agree with your concern.All Collier did,was act like superwoman all summer,and had us,as well as others,believing she was a possibility for super stardom.In my mind,she is a top four in her class.
It will be exciting to see if this rating sends her on a mission,to get even better and prove the "experts" are wrong again.

You and hoophuskee make valid points however... Part of the evaluation is based on the potential of the player. IF they feel that Collier is approaching her max potential already, but others have much more room to grow, it's possible that's one reason why others are considered better "prospects" than she is. I'm not saying I necessarily agree, I'm just saying that's an added part of the equation...

 

[Kibitzer]

If you're referring to the term 'outlier', it's been around for centuries; it predates Sir Ronald Fisher (who coined the term 'variance' and wrote the seminal textbook on the statistical methods for experimenters) by well over 100 years!

Thanks for the correction. I wasn't around when Sir Ronald Fisher was and I confess that I take Nate Silver's statistical analyses as gospel, so in haste gave him too much credit as a lexicographer.

Serves me right.

(I will feel better when he predicts another NC for UConn.)

 

[ndmb]

Possibly. BUT. . .

When you take all the rating services and examine their rankings/ratings of individual players, you can usually get a good idea of the player's potential. There is either a consensus or consistency except for an outlier (love that word, coined, I believe, by polling genius Nate Silver).

I have often posted my view of the combination of vital importance and extreme difficulty in evaluating individual athetic talent (hey, remember the trade of Jim Fregosi for Nolan Ryan?). This process is compounded when guesstimating how individuals will perform at the next level (remember Ryan Leaf?).

So the stakes are high and the margin for error is wide. And putting down any single rating service is as easy as catching fish in a barrel. But I contend that when viewed collectively they are useful.

Maybe.

I mean, I like Nate Silver as much as the next guy, but...

 

[cockhrnleghrn]

Possibly. BUT. . .

When you take all the rating services and examine their rankings/ratings of individual players, you can usually get a good idea of the player's potential. There is either a consensus or consistency except for an outlier (love that word, coined, I believe, by polling genius Nate Silver).

I have often posted my view of the combination of vital importance and extreme difficulty in evaluating individual athetic talent (hey, remember the trade of Jim Fregosi for Nolan Ryan?). This process is compounded when guesstimating how individuals will perform at the next level (remember Ryan Leaf?).

So the stakes are high and the margin for error is wide. And putting down any single rating service is as easy as catching fish in a barrel. But I contend that when viewed collectively they are useful.

Maybe.

LOL, I daresay that statisticians coined the term "outlier" long before Nate Silver.

 

[hoophuskee]

You and hoophuskee make valid points however... Part of the evaluation is based on the potential of the player. IF they feel that Collier is approaching her max potential already, but others have much more room to grow, it's possible that's one reason why others are considered better "prospects" than she is. I'm not saying I necessarily agree, I'm just saying that's an added part of the equation...

I know. I've only seen her just with the minutes this site and another site had shown. I see a ton of potential though. A ton. Which is why I'm shocked to see her drop. I'll say again - I haven't seen her much. But from what I saw - this player has superstar potential. Not saying she is going to be a superstar - just saying I see amazing potential and for what she has accomplished I can't understand her getting bumped. I've been known to be wrong many times in my life though. We shall see.

 

[Kibitzer]

LOL, I daresay that statisticians coined the term "outlier" long before Nate Silver.

I daresay that you are right and that I gave Nate too much credit. Perhaps he has given useful recent emphasis on the use of this term but that alone does not correct my errant scholarship.

 

[cockhrnleghrn]

I daresay that you are right and that I gave Nate too much credit. Perhaps he has given useful recent emphasis on the use of this term but that alone does not correct my errant scholarship.

Don't be hard on yourself. In the grand scheme of things he is a superb statistician, so I can see where you'd think that. I pride myself on my statistical analysis, too.