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Adding Maryland and Rutgers looks ridiculous in hindsight, and I think the top programs and top schools are pumping the brakes on expansion because the future is so uncertain on TV and football as a sport.
 

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And how exactly does Oklahoma football generate 50-60 million a year to carry their weight in the Big Ten? Schools aren’t taking haircuts to add new members.
This is the inescapable question. If and until the current media rights bubble bursts, it is incredibly difficult to create enough value, for the vast majority of schools, to join a conference.
 
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And how exactly does Oklahoma football generate 50-60 million a year to carry their weight in the Big Ten? Schools aren’t taking haircuts to add new members.
I'm just saying Oklahoma is one of the biggest national brands in football. Big 10 obviously should have grabbed Texas and Oklahoma, somehow they justified grabbing Rutgers and Maryland who nobody cares about.
 
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Adding Maryland and Rutgers looks ridiculous in hindsight, and I think the top programs and top schools are pumping the brakes on expansion because the future is so uncertain on TV and football as a sport.
Maybe football will decline in the LT, but HS participation in football is still very strong. Here are the numbers of participants in 11-man HS football:

1969/1970: 853k
1983/1984: 923k
1996/1997: 957k
2003/2004: 1,033k
2009/2010: 1,109k
2010/2011: 1,110K
2014/2015: 1,085K
2017/2018: 1,070K

Yes, we keep hearing stories that football is in decline due to concussions and injuries, but people are still playing football and it is still the most popular sport. The sport has become safer at all levels today as practices are less intense and kids are taught the proper ways of tackling. If you live in the Northeast, your view of football is skewed as the school age population of most Northeast and Midwest states is declining which has resulted in football programs shuttering due to dwindling numbers.

I have a friend in Texas and when he moved to his town, they had 3 high schools, each with a football team. Today they have 7 high schools, each with a football team.
 

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I'm just saying Oklahoma is one of the biggest national brands in football. Big 10 obviously should have grabbed Texas and Oklahoma, somehow they justified grabbing Rutgers and Maryland who nobody cares about.

Their model even today makes Rutgers more valuable than Oklahoma from a conference revenue perspective.
 
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I really have a hard time seeing Texas joining the Big 10, SEC or ACC.

Honestly, I think they’re pretty comfortable where they are. They need to be the straw that stirs the drink in whatever conference they’re in; and they simply wouldn’t be in that position in any of the conferences listed above.
 
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Their model even today makes Rutgers more valuable than Oklahoma from a conference revenue perspective.

This brings up an interesting. Obviously if you’re talk hard numbers (tv sets; cash in hand) you’re right.

But what has the addition of Rutgers and Maryland done to soft number valuations of the conference and it’s “brand” and brand equity?

I know this isn’t possibly due to how the conference divisions are set up; but, in theory, would a Rutgers-Michigan Big 10 championship game garner the ratings that a Oklahoma-Michigan championship game would garner?
 

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This brings up an interesting. Obviously if you’re talk hard numbers (tv sets; cash in hand) you’re right.

But what has the addition of Rutgers and Maryland done to soft number valuations of the conference and it’s “brand” and brand equity?

I know this isn’t possibly due to how the conference divisions are set up; but, in theory, would a Rutgers-Michigan Big 10 championship game garner the ratings that a Oklahoma-Michigan championship game would garner?

What has Nebraska done?
 
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What has Nebraska done?

Lol I knew that would be your response. Adding Nebraska was a mistake for both the Big 10 and Nebraska.

This will never happen, but Nebraska needs to pull a UConn and go back to the Big 12 to restore its brand, rivalries and recruiting territory
 
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Their model even today makes Rutgers more valuable than Oklahoma from a conference revenue perspective.
I don't follow this stuff at all. So just because Rutgers is smack dab in the middle of the tri-state area they are more valuable even though nobody watches them than Oklahoma who is a national brand?
 
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What has Nebraska done?
What has Nebraska done?
Lol I knew that would be your response. Adding Nebraska was a mistake for both the Big 10 and Nebraska.

This will never happen, but Nebraska needs to pull a UConn and go back to the Big 12 to restore its brand, rivalries and recruiting territory

And Nebraska should be a cautionary tale to Oklahoma and Texas re: the Big 10.

Sometimes the grass is just a fine shade of green on your own side of the fence.
 

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I don't follow this stuff at all. So just because Rutgers is smack dab in the middle of the tri-state area they are more valuable even though nobody watches them than Oklahoma who is a national brand?

Very much so. They generate a dollar per month to tri state cable subscribers.
 
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Nebraska has no regrets about joining the Big Ten. They are a perfect cultural fit.
 

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Maybe football will decline in the LT, but HS participation in football is still very strong. Here are the numbers of participants in 11-man HS football:

1969/1970: 853k
1983/1984: 923k
1996/1997: 957k
2003/2004: 1,033k
2009/2010: 1,109k
2010/2011: 1,110K
2014/2015: 1,085K
2017/2018: 1,070K

Yes, we keep hearing stories that football is in decline due to concussions and injuries, but people are still playing football and it is still the most popular sport. The sport has become safer at all levels today as practices are less intense and kids are taught the proper ways of tackling. If you live in the Northeast, your view of football is skewed as the school age population of most Northeast and Midwest states is declining which has resulted in football programs shuttering due to dwindling numbers.

I have a friend in Texas and when he moved to his town, they had 3 high schools, each with a football team. Today they have 7 high schools, each with a football team.

Is CTE a myth?
 
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CTE isn't just football...

For youth...the incidence of concussions per participation is higher in hockey than football.

Concussions in youth sports are particularly concerning as recent evidence suggests that the earlier in life a concussion is experienced, the higher likelihood of having prolonged complications. This is potentially due to injuring a brain that is still developing.

Ice hockey had the second highest concussion rate with 1.20 concussions per 1, 000 AE. American football came in third (0.53 concussions/1000 AE).[2] See the full list below:


  1. Rugby (4.18/1,000 AE)
  2. Ice hockey (1.20/1,000 AE)
  3. American football (0.53/1,000 AE)
  4. Lacrosse (0.24/1,000 AE)
 
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CTE isn't just football...

For youth...the incidence of concussions per participation is higher in hockey than football.

Concussions in youth sports are particularly concerning as recent evidence suggests that the earlier in life a concussion is experienced, the higher likelihood of having prolonged complications. This is potentially due to injuring a brain that is still developing.

Ice hockey had the second highest concussion rate with 1.20 concussions per 1, 000 AE. American football came in third (0.53 concussions/1000 AE).[2] See the full list below:


  1. Rugby (4.18/1,000 AE)
  2. Ice hockey (1.20/1,000 AE)
  3. American football (0.53/1,000 AE)
  4. Lacrosse (0.24/1,000 AE)

CTE comes from repeated sub-concussive traumas. These are a feature of football, not a bug.
 
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Uh yeah...and the only measurement of effect of CTE per individual sport is a guesstimate based on concussion rates...

And hockey is the leader at double the football. rate..and that ain't no bug...

Don't let a kid play hockey.

Every hard check has a possible long term additive effect.
 
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Texas to the Big Ten seems the Play. Why? It is obvious: that Conference needs it. The SEC would just be throwing on another grafting; the ACC is too far from them … and took Louisville + Pitt + BC + Syracuse. The Pac 12 is a fit … but not dollar wise because of time zone issues. It is the BIG TEN … and once again, OKLAHOMA is the tag along travel buddy.
 
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Maybe football will decline in the LT, but HS participation in football is still very strong. Here are the numbers of participants in 11-man HS football:

1969/1970: 853k
1983/1984: 923k
1996/1997: 957k
2003/2004: 1,033k
2009/2010: 1,109k
2010/2011: 1,110K
2014/2015: 1,085K
2017/2018: 1,070K

Yes, we keep hearing stories that football is in decline due to concussions and injuries, but people are still playing football and it is still the most popular sport. The sport has become safer at all levels today as practices are less intense and kids are taught the proper ways of tackling. If you live in the Northeast, your view of football is skewed as the school age population of most Northeast and Midwest states is declining which has resulted in football programs shuttering due to dwindling numbers.

I have a friend in Texas and when he moved to his town, they had 3 high schools, each with a football team. Today they have 7 high schools, each with a football team.

Just wondering if you have a source about the declining numbers because I just attended a presentation on college futures that showed the northeast has decent rises n middle school/high school students projected over the next 5-8 years while the southeast and southwest will be down a lot.
 
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Lol I knew that would be your response. Adding Nebraska was a mistake for both the Big 10 and Nebraska.

This will never happen, but Nebraska needs to pull a UConn and go back to the Big 12 to restore its brand, rivalries and recruiting territory

Nebraska relied on grabbing kids from the northeast, Florida and California in its heyday.
They relied on grabbing JUCOs and kids that even questionable schools would not touch.
They relied on stocking their club with 100s of Nebraska kids (in the days before scholarship limits) that no one else had any idea about because they played 7-on-7 ball.

It was a good confluence of events that won't be repeated, and to top it off, they'd lose tens of millions in making such a move.
 

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Uh yeah...and the only measurement of effect of CTE per individual sport is a guesstimate based on concussion rates...

And hockey is the leader at double the football. rate..and that ain't no bug...

Don't let a kid play hockey.

Every hard check has a possible long term additive effect.

This is a stupid defense of football, but this may be the best they got. Good luck with getting parents to let their kids play football in the future if your argument is "there is one way in which hockey is more dangerous".
 
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Not stupid. Hockey needs to go if you worry about kids and CTE....

And since your conversation is about CTE....how do you rationalize hockey?
 
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There is an ever growing number of football players in my state of official residence...Florida.
 

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