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nelsonmuntz said:
Why does it put a damper to those rumors? The ACC is locking in a $4MM per year deficit with the Big 12, that extends out 15 years. PLUS, the ACC deal is likely still tiers 1-3 while the Big 12 deal is just 1 and 2. Texas will make twice as much as FSU on media rights if FSU stays in the ACC.

I don't understand why the ACC is issuing a press release for this. All I can think of is that Swofford dropped arbitration and signed below market if ESPN would agree NOT to help the Big 12 raid the ACC.
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Welcome back to Earth Nelson! LOL
 
nelsonmuntz said:
The same sources are running the ACC story that ran the Big 12 story. Were they lying before but are honest now?

It's like you are taking the potential ACC raid personally. Are you a Maryland fan now that Edsall is there?
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Geez, I don't know. The ACC story is a press release on ESPN. Perhaps you missed the link in the OP.

http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-r...ive-multi-platform-agreement-through-2026-27/

Personally, I'd give more credence to an official press release than I'd give to some mod on a message board.
 
$17,000,000 is about what the ACC would get with UConn and RU and without FSU and Clemson if you believe the rumors that the NBE could fetch $12,000,000-$15,000,000. Not sure this means much. ESPN might have said, "whatever, $17,000,000 even if you lose FSU and Clemson because once UConn and Rutgers join you in the ACC, we won't have to pay the Big East squat".
 
HuskyfanDan said:
its out there somewhere. its not made up.

here 1 blog covering the news of it. if i find more in crossing ill post it 4 u.
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That's a blog post passing on speculation from Cemetery Hill, which bases their speculation on a vague quote from a former AD.
 
ah - syracuse and boston college - I knew it. Help me out folks....did ESPN make a typo?

http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-r...ive-multi-platform-agreement-through-2026-27/



Per the extension, ESPN has the right to televise three Friday ACC football contests annually which will include a standing commitment from Boston College and Syracuse to each host one game as well as an afternoon or evening game on Thanksgiving Friday.


So BC and Syracuse BOTH - individually - are required to host ACC home games on Friday nights every year from now until 2027 as well as playing each other on thanksgiving fridays every year.

I'm glad I'm not a syracuse alum.
 
Swofford couldn't take the ACC contract on the market, he could only renegotiate with ESPN after adding in SyraPitt (correct me if I'm wrong). Refresh my memory, where did the $21mil per number come from? Was that ever supposed to be a slam dunk done deal? I'm speculating but maybe ESPN laughed at that number knowing the ACC couldn't shop around.
 
the future of the big east hinges on a media contract that allows the big east to broadcast in our respective sports (basketball and football) primetime television viewing slots- such that each program regionally, is in their own primetime slot for viewing as much as possible.

Syracuse just got roped into playing college football games on Friday nights twice a year for the next 15 years, and one of those game has to be against boston college.

Ouch.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
2) Swofford knows FSU and Clemson are gone and wants to set a new floor on his TV deal. When FSU and Clemson leave, he can just hold tight at $17MM/year and force ESPN to take him to arbitration or cancel the contract.
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I predict this is what is happening. Swofford is locking in the post-raid contract.

I also think this is a glimmer of hope for UConn. Marinatto quitting/getting fired and Swofford completely caving and signing and extending a fairly crappy deal could be signals that:

1) the Big East is finished - something has happened behind the scenes that leads Marinatto to believe that the end is near. Maybe Louisville is gone and Notre Dame will be following them for non-football sports.

2) Swofford still got a marginally acceptable deal. And a big bump up off the current $13MM/team, in what is effectively a trade of Pitt and Syracuse for FSU and Clemson. If you think ESPN's motivations are to finish off the Big East, losing Louisville and Notre Dame may not get it done by itself. Packing UConn and Rutgers off to the ACC would be the final nail in the coffin. Boosting the ACC's deal, something ESPN did not have to do, for $82MM (12X4 + 17*2) for swapping FSU and Clemson for UConn, Pitt, Syracuse, and Rutgers, seems like a reasonable trade for the worldwide leader.
 
Hoophound said:
$17,000,000 is about what the ACC would get with UConn and RU and without FSU and Clemson if you believe the rumors that the NBE could fetch $12,000,000-$15,000,000. Not sure this means much. ESPN might have said, "whatever, $17,000,000 even if you lose FSU and Clemson because once UConn and Rutgers join you in the ACC, we won't have to pay the Big East squat".
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Great minds think alike.
 
I can't believe Nelson just came to the conclusion that #BegHarder might possibly work.

Whether or not this scenario does happen, and I hope that it does, one point possibly worth noting is that if FSU/Clemson leave the ACC solidifies its hoops-first identity. FSU would have been BCU's biggest ally in opposing UConn. If they're gone, and Cuse / Pitt get a vote and are not total tools (a la BCU) you have to think UConn is a top-2 choice with ND for ACC expansion. Rutgers does diddly for hoops, though I guess you could speculate the ACC wants another patsy.
 
junglehusky said:
I can't believe Nelson just came to the conclusion that #BegHarder might possibly work.

Whether or not this scenario does happen, and I hope that it does, one point possibly worth noting is that if FSU/Clemson leave the ACC solidifies its hoops-first identity. FSU would have been BCU's biggest ally in opposing UConn. If they're gone, and Cuse / Pitt get a vote and are not total tools (a la BCU) you have to think UConn is a top-2 choice with ND for ACC expansion. Rutgers does diddly for hoops, though I guess you could speculate the ACC wants another patsy.
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I don't think you can possibly justify Rutgers over UConn if FSU and Clemson leave the ACC. That's two of their better basketball programs gone too. The strength of UConn basketball is more valuable in that situation. On another note, I doubt losing FSU and Clemson is going to help in bringing ND to the ACC.
 
Thanksgiving Friday sounds fine to me. Not sure why that would be a complaint from anyone.
 
junglehusky said:
I can't believe Nelson just came to the conclusion that #BegHarder might possibly work.

Whether or not this scenario does happen, and I hope that it does, one point possibly worth noting is that if FSU/Clemson leave the ACC solidifies its hoops-first identity. FSU would have been BCU's biggest ally in opposing UConn. If they're gone, and Cuse / Pitt get a vote and are not total tools (a la BCU) you have to think UConn is a top-2 choice with ND for ACC expansion. Rutgers does diddly for hoops, though I guess you could speculate the ACC wants another patsy.
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Still lots of moving pieces, so I have not come to any conclusion. The only thing I noted was that Swofford settled at a number that will not help him at all with Clemson and FSU. Why bother, unless a few of the chess moves have already been played and we as fans just don't know it yet?

I think Clemson and FSU are gone, and if the Big 12 goes to 14, Louisville is definitely one of the next teams added. I think ND is moving its non-football sports to the Big 12.

I think the ACC may have already decided on replacements, which is why both ESPN and the ACC agreed to a new deal. If the replacements were unknown, ESPN would drag out the negotiations. Why sign now? That, together with Marinatto's departure, would lead me to believe that UConn and Rutgers are up to bat.

We still don't know what everyone else is doing. VTech, UNC, UVa, Maryland, NC STate and GTech are all independent players in this, and we don't know who they are talking to.
 
You just said this morning that Louisville isnt in the top 6 and maybe not the top 8.
 
My guesses....

Clemson and FSU are staying in the ACC. Louisville will head to the Big 12. Notre Dame will continue to park their Ferrari in the Big East's trailer park and we will all just wait and wonder.
 
whaler11 said:
Thanksgiving Friday sounds fine to me. Not sure why that would be a complaint from anyone.
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Agree. Didn't one of BC's few claims to football fame, the Flutie game, take place on Thaksgiving friday?
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
Friday night slots are far and away the worst TV slots of the week, so that's nothing to crow about that they get three per year. If anything, it's a knock against the deal. No one is watching sports, or TV in general, at that time.
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I think the Friday of Thanksgiving weekend is a good slot, though.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
If this was a rumor, I would say that the ACC is basically screwed. FSU could make $10MM a year more leaving, and this agreement adds FIVE more years to the back end, which is a terrible deal for the ACC.

But they issued a press release and make a s*** sandwich sound like caviar. Why would they do that?
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The other power conferences are making $20M per year, not $27M. We're talking a $3M difference, which would in large part be gobbled up by extra travel costs.

If FSU went to the Big 12, their two closest rivals would be WVU and Texas, each of which are over 800 miles away. That would kill the budget of all the non-revenue sports teams and really discourage fan travel to away games.
 
whaler11 said:
You just said this morning that Louisville isnt in the top 6 and maybe not the top 8.
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Give me your prediction, then I will debate mine. At least mattp had the balls to actually declare that he believes UConn will end up in the Big 10.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
The first we heard that Pitt and Syracuse were leaving was a Raleigh radio station a week before they bolted, and no one believed it. The difference between UConn and FSU in this situation is that we have been begging anyone who will listen fro 8 months. That said, I have always stated that the Big 12 is the ONLY league that would take FSU. The SEC and Big 10 are never inviting FSU. I believe the rumors that FSU reached out to the SEC a year ago and was politely declined.

There are two possible reasons for Swofford to drop a $21MM/school ask, plug 5 more years on the deal (which hurts the ACC), and give up Tier 3 rights:

1) ESPN agreed to collude with the ACC not to help the Big 12 to raid the ACC.

2) Swofford knows FSU and Clemson are gone and wants to set a new floor on his TV deal. When FSU and Clemson leave, he can just hold tight at $17MM/year and force ESPN to take him to arbitration or cancel the contract.

This is a bad deal for the ACC, and would be without FSU and Clemson. I don't know why Swofford would agree to this deal at this point unless one of the above is true.
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With the Big East only getting $3.6M per school from ESPN, $17M isn't chump change.
 
IthacaMatt said:
With the Big East only getting $3.6M per school from ESPN, $17M isn't chump change.
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Matt, they aren't getting $3.6M per school from ESPN. They're getting whatever they get in the NEXT contract.

Comparing the two is intellectually dishonest.
 
zls44 said:
Matt, they aren't getting $3.6M per school from ESPN. They're getting whatever they get in the NEXT contract.

Comparing the two is intellectually dishonest.
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Yes, zls, but it hasn't happened yet. Who knows what that number will be? With the Oops schools making noise about breaking away, the NBE might be the basketball onlies and UConn might be a football independent, waiting for ND to join the ACC, so they get the final seat. Counting on the NEXT contract from ESPN is not a place to be at this point. The schools aren't getting any of that money yet.
 
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