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Waquoit said:
Any reasonable person reads your 1st post to be a total refutation of Muntz concerning Wolf's potential production. And when he calls you on it you get nasty. And now you deny even making the point. But that's how you roll.
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Lol @ the thought of nelson even making a logical point. I never made the point that UConn players don't get better, you're lost, have a good day sir.
 
I think Wolf will be more valuable than Olander but lets be real, neither of them will be a force. They'll get some rebounds, set picks, get some easy buckets and give some fouls. That's it. If we had someone better to play center they'd be riding the pine and we'd cheer for them when they get garbage minutes in a blowout win.
 
If Wolf played that well last season (as his first real season), it'd be crazy to not have him come back. He was dominant in some games on defense and he was one of our better rebounders last year.
 
Why do Husky fans think that ANY player will make tremendous leaps in the summer?

Never, ever happens. Name one.

They are what they are.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
HuskiesAllDay,

There is a truism on this board that every incoming freshman is the program savior and every current sophomore is a bust because he didn't become the program savior. I will let you in on a secret. Most players become better while at UConn. It's called coaching. It's why Calhoun is in the Hall of Fame. If all the mattered was recruiting, Lavin would be the one with all the rings. So this is why Sophomores are better than Freshmen and Juniors are better than Sophomores.
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I agree completely. But what is your point? We already have those Sophomores, Juniors, and Seniors who already are very good. Hence why we need the freshman to do very little.

I have no illusions about Facey or Brimah being Kevin Durant. But we dont need them to be either. All we need is someone who can do some dirty work, stick their ass into somebody to box out, and protect the rim. And almost anybody with any desire and or athletic ability will be able to do so more effectively than Olander.

Our core is loaded. We have good role players/glue guys. All we need is someone to be grab a few rebounds and we will be a Top 15 team. This isnt 2007 when we lost our entire team and relied on Freshman to do everything.
 
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LeeOtisWilson said:
Why do Husky fans think that ANY player will make tremendous leaps in the summer?

Never, ever happens. Name one.

They are what they are.
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Are you dumb or just a troll
 
HuskiesAllDay said:
Kemba Walker soph to Junior year? Shabazz Soph to Junior year? Hilton Armstrong Jr to Sr year. Okafor Soph to Junior year. Thabeet every summer. Did you really just post that garbage?
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Hilton's dad told me Hilton hung out with his girlfriend and played video games every summer until after his junior year and then he finally played some hoops. Yes most players don't do sh...t
 
LeeOtisWilson said:
Why do Husky fans think that ANY player will make tremendous leaps in the summer?

Never, ever happens. Name one.

They are what they are.
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Kemba walker literally went from a good, but extremely inconsistent and out of control player at times, to one of the greatest players in Uconn and NCAA history....IN ONE SUMMER
 
LeeOtisWilson said:
Hilton's dad told me Hilton hung out with his girlfriend and played video games every summer until after his junior year and then he finally played some hoops. Yes most players don't do sh...t
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Ah the old moving target. Position 1 - no Uconn player ever improves over the summer. When refuted, Position 2 - No Uconn player works out over the summer because Hilton's Dad told me that Hilton didn't until his senior year. :confused:
 
LeeOtisWilson said:
Hilton's dad told me Hilton hung out with his girlfriend and played video games every summer until after his junior year and then he finally played some hoops. Yes most players don't do sh...t
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That was actually a quote from an article about him in high school if I remember correctly. Im not sure i believe you heard that from his father.
 
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CAHUSKY said:
That was actually a quote from an article about him in high school if I remember correctly. Im not sure i believe you heard that from his father.
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Don't feed the trolls.
 
I will be very happy if combined, our bigs not named DD and NG average 10 points, 12 rebounds and 2.5 blocks & this is not an unrealistic expectation. If either Wolf or TO play consistently like their best games last year, this will be an easy mark.
DD and Bazz both contributed good rebounding numbers and certainly Omar, DD, Bazz and Boat will be expected to meet or exceed their combined scoring numbers from last season...add a small incremental improvement from NG and things are looking up for Husky fans.
 
aceboon said:
Lol @ the thought of nelson even making a logical point. I never made the point that UConn players don't get better, you're lost, have a good day sir.
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His point and Waq's are logical....UConn is better next year with Wolf on the team playing minutes and there's no denying that....unless of course he is guilty of assault!
 
mauconnfan said:
His point and Waq's are logical....UConn is better next year with Wolf on the team playing minutes and there's no denying that....unless of course he is guilty of assault!
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Mau, I never made the point that UConn wouldn't be better with Wolf on the team, can you point out where I did? I like Wolf as a player, much moreso than Olander(although I wouldn't be upset if KO dismissed him if his antics desribed in that police report were true), I just don't see where he would average 10 & 7 when he wasn't close to that last year, and would have to now compete with an improved Nolan and Facey for time at C instead of just Olander. Nelson as usual made one of his grand leaps in logic, and Waquoit is still carrying hurt feelings from a couple of weeks old argument about the football team that he decided to tag along with Nelson in his argument.
 
Aceboon, you're wasting your time trying to explain yourself to these guys. Nelson has provided more insane basketball thoughts in this one thread then I have seen in months worth of material from this board.
 
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Trolls out in full force I see
 
Waquoit said:
Any reasonable person reads your 1st post to be a total refutation of Muntz concerning Wolf's potential production. And when he calls you on it you get nasty. And now you deny even making the point. But that's how you roll.
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This was Aceboon's post:

He had maybe 3 games all season where he came close to those numbers and you think he can average that for the season?

This was Nelson's petulant response, which I imagine him making while stomping a foot:

You are right. No player at UConn has ever gotten better.

Do you see how Nelson distorted and exaggerated Aceboon's position by tranforming a statement of doubt as to Wolf's ability to average 10 and 7 for the year into an assertion that "No player at UConn has ever gotten better" and then responded to the invented, exaggerated position? We refer to that as the straw man fallacy.

So there you go. Now deflect with an insult, because "that's how you roll."
 
I like Wolfe better than Olander; but it's unlikely Wolfe will be back.
 
I'll take 3 post players available. That really takes the pressure off when a guy lands 2 or 3 fouls and we've got 2 ready to jump in. Improvement should be expected and you've got the added benefit of coaching to the matchups.
 
I don't think Wolf is that far from the 10 and 7, give or take. Even incremental improvement will give teammates more confidence in him and get him the ball more. While I expect Wolf to be better, I also expect the team to be better. UConn can't win 25+ games playing as much 1-on-1 as they did last year. They will go through the middle if they want to win big.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
I don't think Wolf is that far from the 10 and 7, give or take. Even incremental improvement will give teammates more confidence in him and get him the ball more. While I expect Wolf to be better, I also expect the team to be better. UConn can't win 25+ games playing as much 1-on-1 as they did last year. They will go through the middle if they want to win big.
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No, they'll go through Daniels if they want to win big.
 
There's a lot of head scratchers in this thread. To answer the question of the OP, no, I do not think Wolf is a critical component to next years team, nor do I think he'll even be one of our best two big men. He has some attractive attributes, most notably his size and soft touch, but he's simply too slow and laboring defensively for me to believe he won't continue to be a liability in that department, especially with Facey and Nolan now in the fold. I have yet to see Facey play in person, but from all indications, I expect him to have an impact similar to Montrezl Harrell of Louisville - limitless motor, rim protector, serviceable rebounder, good finisher around the rim. And make no mistake, Harrell would have played at least 25 minutes a game for UConn this season, probably closer to 30. Nolan could play 5 minutes a game or he could play 20 minutes a game, it all depends on the improvements he makes over the summer. He's a long, athletic body who was active defensively towards the end of last season and held his own on the block when Olander and Wolf went down, averaging over 6 rebounds over his last three games in limited playing time. The question is whether he can take his offensive game from "we're playing 4 on 5 when I'm out here..." to "I'll be able to set screens, catch the ball when it's thrown to me, and take two dribbles without traveling or firing the ball into the stands, and occasionally, maybe I'll even be able to dunk the ball in traffic". Granted, that's a big step to make, but it's nothing we haven't seen before from raw UConn big men. My guess is he'll make it from his sophomore year to his junior year rather than his freshman to sophomore year, but it's impossible to forecast the trajectory of these kids development.

So, Nelson, I think you have a somewhat distorted view regarding how to win games in modern day college basketball. You've made some strange comments in this thread from "you can't count on freshman" to "next year we have to play through the middle". Assuming UConn returns everybody, it would be reasonable to conclude Ollie would be better served opting for defensive over offense at the center position, Nolan, Facey, or even Brimah over Wolf or Olander. Calhoun, Boatright, Daniels, and Napier present an array of matchup problems on the perimeter. So long as we have a big man who can set screens and catch lobs, it's hard to imagine we won't have one of the more efficient offenses in the country given Louisville essensially used that same recipe to win a national championship last night - guards who can penetrate at will complemented by big men who can catch the ball in traffic and finish.
 
champs99and04 said:
There's a lot of head scratchers in this thread. To answer the question of the OP, no, I do not think Wolf is a critical component to next years team, nor do I think he'll even be one of our best two big men. He has some attractive attributes, most notably his size and soft touch, but he's simply too slow and laboring defensively for me to believe he won't continue to be a liability in that department, especially with Facey and Nolan now in the fold. I have yet to see Facey play in person, but from all indications, I expect him to have an impact similar to Montrezl Harrell of Louisville - limitless motor, rim protector, serviceable rebounder, good finisher around the rim. And make no mistake, Harrell would have played at least 25 minutes a game for UConn this season, probably closer to 30. Nolan could play 5 minutes a game or he could play 20 minutes a game, it all depends on the improvements he makes over the summer. He's a long, athletic body who was active defensively towards the end of last season and held his own on the block when Olander and Wolf went down, averaging over 6 rebounds over his last three games in limited playing time. The question is whether he can take his offensive game from "we're playing 4 on 5 when I'm out here..." to "I'll be able to set screens, catch the ball when it's thrown to me, and take two dribbles without traveling or firing the ball into the stands, and occasionally, maybe I'll even be able to dunk the ball in traffic". Granted, that's a big step to make, but it's nothing we haven't seen before from raw UConn big men. My guess is he'll make it from his sophomore year to his junior year rather than his freshman to sophomore year, but it's impossible to forecast the trajectory of these kids development.

So, Nelson, I think you have a somewhat distorted view regarding how to win games in modern day college basketball. You've made some strange comments in this thread from "you can't count on freshman" to "next year we have to play through the middle". Assuming UConn returns everybody, it would be reasonable to conclude Ollie would be better served opting for defensive over offense at the center position, Nolan, Facey, or even Brimah over Wolf or Olander. Calhoun, Boatright, Daniels, and Napier present an array of matchup problems on the perimeter. So long as we have a big man who can set screens and catch lobs, it's hard to imagine we won't have one of the more efficient offenses in the country given Louisville essensially used that same recipe to win a national championship last night - guards who can penetrate at will complemented by big men who can catch the ball in traffic and finish.
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How can you compare a 6'7", maybe 6'8" thin, virtually unknown kid who may be a PF at some point, to a 7 foot 245 lb center, legit ability to stand in the middle in many games in the BE? I love Nolan and think we saw him coming into his own, Tyler is Tyler good bench guy.......Wolf most definitely showed flashes of being the most solid and having the potential impact we needed. You have no idea what to expect from Brimah or Facey, hope you're right but I would prefer Wolf on my roster if things work out and KO and UConn will be better for it! To think otherwise is wrong from my view!
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
This was Aceboon's post:
He had maybe 3 games all season where he came close to those numbers and you think he can average that for the season?
This was Nelson's petulant response, which I imagine him making while stomping a foot:
You are right. No player at UConn has ever gotten better.
Do you see how Nelson distorted and exaggerated Aceboon's position by tranforming a statement of doubt as to Wolf's ability to average 10 and 7 for the year into an assertion that "No player at UConn has ever gotten better" and then responded to the invented, exaggerated position? We refer to that as the straw man fallacy.
So there you go. Now deflect with an insult, because "that's how you roll."
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We're going down a rabbit hole here, but I'll play in an effort to help you guys become better posters.

Nelson did not distort and exaggerate Aceboon's position because he never explicitly made a position. Nelson's reply (in a similar tone as Ace's, IMO) addressed a position that could easily been inferred from the post, not a straw man at all. It was a fair reply. Why didn't Ace take a more explicit position? Why didn't he say, He had maybe 3 games all season where he came close to those numbers and you think he can average that for the season? I think Wolf ..." The board works best when, if you disagree, you come back with the reason why you feel that way. That gets a good debate going.

What doesn't get a good debate going is replying with nonsense like, "Lol @ the thought of nelson even making a logical point" or "Waquoit is still carrying hurt feelings". Remember, getting personal is what people do when they are losing on the facts.
 
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