OT: Emoni Bates arrested

[huskiesouth]

What can the police use as “probable clause” to search the vehicle?

It’s always fact driven. Driver attempted to evade police, driver has a weapon or contraband on his body, vehicle is seriously overweight and driver has no explanation (call in the dogs), vehicle reported stolen, active warrant out on driver or owner of vehicle, etc.

 

[UconnU]

Why all the talk about the search not being justified? Is Bates using that defense? I thought he said it wasn’t his car and he didn’t know the gun was in there.

 

[huskiesouth]

Why all the talk about the search not being justified? Is Bates using that defense? I thought he said it wasn’t his car and he didn’t know the gun was in there.

Someone’s going to take a hit for the gun. The attorney representing Bates will throw every possible defense at the prosecutors as early as possible to convince them to tell the cops to focus on the owner of the vehicle rather than the current apparently naive accused.

 

[UconnU]

Someone’s going to take a hit for the gun. The attorney representing Bates will throw every possible defense at the prosecutors as early as possible to convince them to tell the cops to focus on the owner of the vehicle rather than the current apparently naive accused.

I wonder if he’ll just get a fall guy to say it was his gun. He has a lot more to lose than some of his friends.

 

[huskiesouth]

I wonder if he’ll just get a fall guy to say it was his gun. He has a lot more to lose than some of his friends.

Probably not, even in Michigan where more guns are carried in public than library books destroying gun ID information is a serious offense.

 

[superjohn]

Someone’s going to take a hit for the gun. The attorney representing Bates will throw every possible defense at the prosecutors as early as possible to convince them to tell the cops to focus on the owner of the vehicle rather than the current apparently naive accused.

We don't even know if it's someone else's car, that's what his lawyer said.

 

[superjohn]

Probably not, even in Michigan where more guns are carried in public than library books destroying gun ID information is a serious offense.

Michigan isn't all that big a gun state.

 

[huskiesouth]

We don't even know if it's someone else's car, that's what his lawyer said.

Are you implying that a lawyer might stretch a ‘fact’?

 

[huskiesouth]

Michigan isn't all that big a gun state.

At least twice in the Spring of 2020 armed protestors invaded and took over the Michigan state capital building, upset about COVID regulations. They were not arrested as open carry is legal in Michigan. Michigan has more armed militia members than any other state, including Floriduh where I hang my hat.

 

[XLCenterFan]

Pretty sure probable cause searches are legal in Connecticut.

My statement concerned rolling through a stop sign or a red light, which is what the article suggested. No way that calls for a search.

 

[XLCenterFan]

Are you kidding?

I’m 55 years old , drug free ( not even weed) with a good job and a 21 year old college student daughter and another daughter on the way in a week. I’ve had my car torn apart twice in last 5 years ( last time a year ago with 3 cop cars ) in CT because it’s 2am and how dare I drive with guitar gear in my car on way home from a gig. One stop cause was a dirty license plate. Seriously.

I would never have anything illegal in my car, and I would still never allow my car to be searched. I would ask to speak to the captain and then the chief and then the mayor. Zero reason for a search in the instances you mentioned. I’d sue.

 

[superjohn]

At least twice in the Spring of 2020 armed protestors invaded and took over the Michigan state capital building, upset about COVID regulations. They were not arrested as open carry is legal in Michigan. Michigan has more armed militia members than any other state, including Floriduh where I hang my hat.

Michigan is a shall issue state, it's not a permitless concealed carry state like half of the states are. They're only 38th in gun ownership per capita out off the 50 states.

 

[8893]

At least twice in the Spring of 2020 armed protestors invaded and took over the Michigan state capital building, upset about COVID regulations. They were not arrested as open carry is legal in Michigan. Michigan has more armed militia members than any other state, including Floriduh where I hang my hat.

There’s even a song about it

 

[superjohn]

My statement concerned rolling through a stop sign or a red light, which is what the article suggested. No way that calls for a search.

That's what he was pulled over for, not what he was searched for.

 

[XLCenterFan]

That's what he was pulled over for, not what he was searched for.

Then the article is pointless. Can someone here FOI this please? We need to know!!!!

 

[UconnU]

My statement concerned rolling through a stop sign or a red light, which is what the article suggested. No way that calls for a search.

Was it actually a search or was the gun just visible?

 

[husky429]

At least twice in the Spring of 2020 armed protestors invaded and took over the Michigan state capital building, upset about COVID regulations. They were not arrested as open carry is legal in Michigan. Michigan has more armed militia members than any other state, including Floriduh where I hang my hat.

Open carry is legal in CT, too.