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OT: Emoni Bates arrested

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What a fall from grace. It's sad just how badly his family (particularly his father) has failed him in life. Marketing the kid so young and putting him in the media spotlight was NOT good for him. Too many hangers on hoping to get some clout or $ out of a kid.

Gun charges are no joke. My brother-in-law did 3 years for similar charges. He was able to turn his life around... hopefully Emoni can drop the baggage he's picked up from being so talented so young, and learn to live a normal life.
 
Can't imagine going home is the best move here. Too bad, Bates and Farrakhan could be a pretty decent 1-2 punch.
 
Genuinely upset about this. Hope he figures it out soon and stays safe and out of trouble.
 
He says it was someone else's car he borrowed and was unaware of the gun. Reasonable considering his status as a celebrity in the town.

I wonder what gave them cause to search the car, though. I guess if he wasn't on registration then they may have searched it to find evidence it was stolen?
 
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He says it was someone else's car he borrowed and was unaware of the gun. Reasonable considering his status as a celebrity in the town.

I wonder what gave them cause to search the car, though. I guess if he wasn't on registration then they may have searched it to find evidence it was stolen?
To be fair, that's what everyone says.
 
Don't wish ill will on the kid and he is still young enough to learn, grow and lead a productive life even if it isn't basketball.

Right now he is stuck in a revolving pattern of play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Here's hoping someone can reach him and help him break the pattern he's currently in.
 
He says it was someone else's car he borrowed and was unaware of the gun. Reasonable considering his status as a celebrity in the town.

I wonder what gave them cause to search the car, though. I guess if he wasn't on registration then they may have searched it to find evidence it was stolen?
I'm assuming Michigan has caveman laws on the books. No one is getting their car searched in CT for "failing to stop at an intersection" alone. Perhaps there was more to the story that didn't make this article?
 
To be fair, that's what everyone says.
Of course, but I'm more apt to believe an overly sheltered kid (Dad has been coaching him every step of the way, created a whole school for him) who grew up in the spotlight and has just moved back home where he is a celebrity is less likely to have an unlicensed and serial number-less firearm and more likely to have borrowed someone's car (ala Bouknight).

But you never know.
 
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He says it was someone else's car he borrowed and was unaware of the gun. Reasonable considering his status as a celebrity in the town.

I wonder what gave them cause to search the car, though. I guess if he wasn't on registration then they may have searched it to find evidence it was stolen?

He better hope the search was illegal and he can get out of this. "Shucks I didn't know officer" isn't exactly an excuse legally.
 
I'm assuming Michigan has caveman laws on the books. No one is getting their car searched in CT for "failing to stop at an intersection" alone. Perhaps there was more to the story that didn't make this article?

No one anywhere is getting searched for failing to stop at an intersection alone. A public defender 4 beers deep defending 17 clients a day could get that search thrown out in court.

(Kidding aside, I have utmost respect for public defenders. Those folks were hard in way less than ideal conditions)
 
Guys, there doesn’t have to be any real reason for a cop to ask to search the car. They can make something up after the fact, like the driver looked nervous or there was a suspicious smell. If the driver consents, it’s legal. It’s about how much pressure the driver is willing to endure by saying “no”.
 
I'm assuming Michigan has caveman laws on the books. No one is getting their car searched in CT for "failing to stop at an intersection" alone. Perhaps there was more to the story that didn't make this article?
Are you kidding?

I’m 55 years old , drug free ( not even weed) with a good job and a 21 year old college student daughter and another daughter on the way in a week. I’ve had my car torn apart twice in last 5 years ( last time a year ago with 3 cop cars ) in CT because it’s 2am and how dare I drive with guitar gear in my car on way home from a gig. One stop cause was a dirty license plate. Seriously.
 
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There were comments under one of the articles about this that you're consenting to a search of your car when you step out of the vehicle. Not sure if that's accurate but seems crazy if it is true
 
No one anywhere is getting searched for failing to stop at an intersection alone. A public defender 4 beers deep defending 17 clients a day could get that search thrown out in court.

(Kidding aside, I have utmost respect for public defenders. Those folks were hard in way less than ideal conditions)
It doesn’t matter what a PD can get thrown out of court, cops don’t care about that. Most people will have to sit in a bullpen for days or weeks until that happens.
 
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Guys, there doesn’t have to be any real reason for a cop to ask to search the car. They can make something up after the fact, like the driver looked nervous or there was a suspicious smell. If the driver consents, it’s legal. It’s about how much pressure the driver is willing to endure by saying “no”.
In CT. I think if a motorist gives consent to have their car searched without the cop requesting it the cop can search your vehicle but they can no longer pressure you into giving consent.

Cops still have a lot of latitude for probable cause searches though. If they smell or see alcohol, drugs, guns, paraphernalia they can search the car.

Basically if they want to search your car they're going to and there's not much you can do to stop it.
 
In CT. I think if a motorist gives consent to have their car searched without the cop requesting it the cop can search your vehicle but they can no longer pressure you into giving consent.

Cops still have a lot of latitude for probable cause searches though. If they smell or see alcohol, drugs, guns, paraphernalia they can search the car.

Basically if they want to search your car they're going to and there's not much you can do to stop it.
There’s nothing you can do about it. Maybe on board car cameras will help people these days, but if you get yanked and are trying to be peaceful because you’ve done nothing egregious, throwing an iPhone in their face will only exacerbate situations. They have full latitude, because they will more often than not make probable cause up .
 
Are you kidding?

I’m 55 years old , drug free ( not even weed) with a good job and a 21 year old college student daughter and another daughter on the way in a week. I’ve had my car torn apart twice in last 5 years ( last time a year ago with 3 cop cars ) in CT because it’s 2am and how dare I drive with guitar gear in my car on way home from a gig. One stop cause was a dirty license plate. Seriously.
Do you have a record? They might be targeting you.
 
Aside from the gun charges it’s unbelievable that a former #1 overall recruit is playing at EMU.
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Am I missing something here? The article says the car wasn't his (he was borrowing it), which infers he didn't even know there was a gun in it. The lawyer's quoted saying to reserve judgment until all the facts are out.

A fabricated alibi or the truth?
 
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Am I missing something here? The article says the car wasn't his (he was borrowing it), which infers he didn't even know there was a gun in it. The lawyer's quoted saying to reserve judgment until all the facts are out.

A fabricated alibi or the truth?

It isn't an alibi, but it could also be the truth... if that makes sense. Seems likely it wasn't his car, and it very well could not be his gun. It also doesn't preclude him from being charged--according to lawyer-wife sitting next to me. She's on the bar in CT and NC, not Michigan so it could be different. Apparently, if you can prove you didn't know it was there, it's usually a good way to plea down to lesser charges or to get the minimum on sentencing guidelines.
 
More actual facts are needed. In any traffic stop the police have a right to take reasonable measures to insure their own safety, which includes looking in the windows for the presence of weapons. If a plain sight search from the outside of the vehicle revealed a weapon that’s all they would need.

But if such a search revealed nothing, next question is why did they have driver exit the vehicle. If drive has no valid license, has a criminal record or appears to be inebriated etc. removing from vehicle is probably valid, in which case police have right to look at area where driver was sitting for a plain sight weapon. They have the right to ask driver if he has any weapons on his person and have the right to perform a search of his person.

As for searching the rest of the vehicle the law is fuzzy. If the police had already determined that driver does not own vehicle they cannot ask his permission for a search since he does not have authority to grant permission. If the police had not yet determined driver did not own vehicle and asked his permission to search the vehicle they needed some level of probable cause to ask for such permission. Driver being a seven- foot tall black man is not supposed to create probable cause to ask for search permission.

And this is why lawyers and cops and judges are held in such universal high esteem.
 
There’s nothing you can do about it. Maybe on board car cameras will help people these days, but if you get yanked and are trying to be peaceful because you’ve done nothing egregious, throwing an iPhone in their face will only exacerbate situations. They have full latitude, because they will more often than not make probable cause up .

Unfortunately, it's up to citizens and not the police to be reasonable in these situations because our laws aren't designed to protect us from police oversight except after the fact. "Protect and Serve" is a load of crap, and they are certainly not public servants except when they feel like it. And at a huge cost and inconvenience to the citizen. Like you said, cops don't really care if the search is legal because they can make your life hell anyways.

Use a dash cam, calmly and politely say "I do not consent to a search" over and over and over again even as a grown man with a gun berates and abuses you. Expect to be called names, lied to (legally), and be told that you have no option. If a cop asks you to leave the car, you are required to listen, and there's a not-insignificant chance that you will be assaulted. Basically do everything they say and hope they do something illegal.
 
If the police had already determined that driver does not own vehicle they cannot ask his permission for a search since he does not have authority to grant permission.

This is not true if the owner is not present. This is only true if the owner is present.
 
More actual facts are needed. In any traffic stop the police have a right to take reasonable measures to insure their own safety, which includes looking in the windows for the presence of weapons. If a plain sight search from the outside of the vehicle revealed a weapon that’s all they would need.

But if such a search revealed nothing, next question is why did they have driver exit the vehicle. If drive has no valid license, has a criminal record or appears to be inebriated etc. removing from vehicle is probably valid, in which case police have right to look at area where driver was sitting for a plain sight weapon. They have the right to ask driver if he has any weapons on his person and have the right to perform a search of his person.

As for searching the rest of the vehicle the law is fuzzy. If the police had already determined that driver does not own vehicle they cannot ask his permission for a search since he does not have authority to grant permission. If the police had not yet determined driver did not own vehicle and asked his permission to search the vehicle they needed some level of probable cause to ask for such permission. Driver being a seven- foot tall black man is not supposed to create probable cause to ask for search permission.

And this is why lawyers and cops and judges are held in such universal high esteem.
What can the police use as “probable clause” to search the vehicle?
 
What can the police use as “probable clause” to search the vehicle?

Seeing weapons, drugs or something else indicating illegal activity. Smelling drugs. Someone acting drunk. Statement from someone nearby implicating you in a crime. The one that cops use to do much of what they want is that if they reasonably believe they could be in danger they are allowed to search. Stuff like that.
 
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