If Dan Hurley really likes him..And it appears he does.. It would be awesome to get 3 years of athletic eligibility out of him in Storrs.. Unless Dan Hurley has a roster construction scenario where he wouldn't want El for three years.. I agree that based on what we know.. 2020 is not an option because of our roster/scholarship construction.. I find it very interesting that 19 other schools are also interested in El and things seem to be heating up.. It would be great to get El committed for 2021 and on campus as a student sometime in 2020 without using Year 3..
2021 Recruiting: El Ellis JUCO update
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But he wouldn't be academically eligible, and the clock doesn't stop.
He has 4 years left to play 3 right now.
I'm not an expert on this, but JuCo transfers have to complete their academic requirements before enrolling. I don't know what the NCAA is requiring of him. Whatever it is, has to be done before enrolling in his new school.
Because he is planning to play a second year at JuCo (despite having 20+ offers at D1) I think we can assume the NCAA is requiring him to finish JuCo in order to deem him eligible, but only he and the NCAA knows.
Could he get a scholarship (or pay his way at UConn) and transfer? Yes.
Would he be eligible? Highly unlikely.
If he goes transfers this year, it's because he wanted to enroll now, and didn't want to pay his way. But either way, it's highly unlikely that he'll be deemed academically eligible.
Unless he goes to Duke.
Wherever he goes he'll have 3 years of eligibility, but will only be able to play 2 years. It doesn't matter if he plays or not, it doesn't even matter if he's deemed eligible (from my understanding). He enrolled in JuCo, so his clock started. From the day he became a college student, he had 5 years to play 4. That doesn't change when transferring from JuCo.
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Of course, I'm not saying it's going to happen because I can't see him sitting out this year. But the point you keep glossing over in this scenario that Grey Goose laid out is that he wouldn't be playing this year so he's not losing a year of eligibility.
Like you said, he has 4 years to play 3 right now. So if he waits a year and doesn't play that leads to 3 years to play 3 just like anyone else who sits out and doesn't play
Thank you for helping clarify my point. That was what I'm trying to say.. Don't know if it's viable.. When I was a JUCO FB player recruited by D1 schools out of HS and then again out of JUCO.. (Awhile ago LOL) ..I played one year of JUCO FB and had three years of athletic eligibility at a 4 year school.. I chose to graduate from the JUCO first..Things may have changed.. That's why I was curious if it could be an option for El..
I wasn't glossing over it. I was confused because you guys keep saying he won't "lose a year of eligibility" but he does. Whether he plays or not. He loses a year. He doesn't even need to be eligible, he loses a year.
But yes. Theoretically, it's possible he could enroll at another school, satisfy his requirements, and then have 3 years to play.
Based on what we know, I don't think he's going to sit this year just to retain a 5th year on the backend. I think he'll be looking to go pro (somewhere) after 1-2 years at D1.
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Most likely he needs to graduate from the JUCO to get eligible. He may not have to play and could save his year of play to use at D1, but he may be on scholarship at the JUCO, so he would have to pay his own way there if he didn't play for them.
That or he may not want to refrain from practicing competitively for a full year. At least sit 1 transfers can practice with a team.
That or he may not want to refrain from practicing competitively for a full year. At least sit 1 transfers can practice with a team.
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You have to assume some of this virtual recruiting will carry over even after things return to normal. I’d have to guess what they’re doing with the format now is more impactful than the calls/texts we’re used to in recruiting and could continue to give Hurley an advantage on the recruiting trail.
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He’s been doing a lot of interviews. He’s basically saying he made a commitment to the coach that he would play both years and graduate from there.
Apologies if I muddied the waters, I was genuinely trying to help, not argue.
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You didn't.. All good.. Hope Dan Hurley can reel him in.. Community College tuitions are not substantial financial commitments..But its all relative to unique family situations.. Guess the New Normal for talented players is getting paid.. Whether G League/Europe/NBA.. 4 years at school is less attractive.. Nuff said..
I recall, from looking for info on JUCO eligibility and what's required of them before they can enroll and play at a D-1 level, that:
1. If a player is an academic qualifier, and chooses to go the JUCO route for some reason (underrecruited, etc), they can transfer to a 4 year college anytime and play immediately, even after one semester or one year as long as they're in good academic standing.
2. If the player is a non-qualifier academically, they must complete two years at the Junior College level before they can transfer and play. In fact, didn't Sam Cassell go to Junior College for two years but only played one and thus had two years' eligibility left at UConn?
But don't hold me to this being eggsactly right.
1. If a player is an academic qualifier, and chooses to go the JUCO route for some reason (underrecruited, etc), they can transfer to a 4 year college anytime and play immediately, even after one semester or one year as long as they're in good academic standing.
2. If the player is a non-qualifier academically, they must complete two years at the Junior College level before they can transfer and play. In fact, didn't Sam Cassell go to Junior College for two years but only played one and thus had two years' eligibility left at UConn?
But don't hold me to this being eggsactly right.
Thought Sam played one yr of JUCO.. 2 at Storrs.. Last yr at Iona..
He did exactly what people are asking if Ellis can do.
He did prep at Notre Dame Prep, 1 year JUCO, 3 years to play in 3 years remaining. NCAA ruled him a partial qualifier because his prep school had poor classes. He took 2 years to graduate JUCO, but only played basketball for 1 ('12-'13). Just did school '13-14. He started UConn '14-'15 and also played '15-'16. Then grad transferred to Iona for '16-'17.
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When Hurley Zeros in on a guy, the results have been pretty consistent
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I’d pay good money to see one of these virtual visits. I’d love to see how coach is selling the program.
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I know there are differing opinions about how much rankings matter, but do we know where Ellis ranks in terms of 2021 JUCO recruits? Cannot seem to find a legitimate list. Obviously, with the offers he's been getting, he is well thought of, but I was just curious more than anything.
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JUCO lists usually don't get any traction until summer showcases... which may not happen.
With his offer list I'd be shocked if he wasn't top 5 at least
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Exactly. One of our kids we knew well blew up at the summer showcase in Melbourne and had FSU and Gonzaga among others offer within 24 hours. Before that, he didn't start as frosh and wasn't well-known out of HS. He was athletic freak so that sped up his process.
Jucos don't get this kind of attention very often before these showcases where they face top competition. This is RARE. He is an ELITE JUCO player. Tallahassee is often a powerhouse team as well so that's in his favor of playing good competition.
Didn't know whether proposed transfer changes and/or the SAT/ACT leniency scenario would allow him(El) more flexibility as a qualifier... Perhaps his academic status coming out of HS re: qualifying trumps every scenario and he's just limited in options.. The attention he has attracted appears to be well deserved and it seems like he doesn't need to convince four year schools (by playing another JUCO season)that he could fill a roster spot.. Unless..as you've stated clearly..he can't as a non-qualifier.. Thanks for your input..
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He’s stated in several interviews he was a non-qualifier. He has to do 2 years of JUCO that isnt changing.
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Anyone know anything about the kid as a hs recruit? I tried to do some digging but couldn't find much.
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It's not a full list, but Ellis has offers from UConn, Texas Tech, Oregon, Louisville, Texas, Arizona State, Virginia Tech, Texas A&M, Nebraska, Iowa State, Ole Miss, DePaul, Wake Forest and others.
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