Eagles Fire Kelly

[Jerry1714]

the history of football is littered with strategies that were at first innovative and unstoppable, and not long after, obsolete. Add Chip Kelly's offense to the list.

See Colin Kapernick or Bob Griffin

 

[noeynox]

See Colin Kapernick or Bob Griffin

I think RG3, is more a victim of playing through a knee injury he had no business playing through. Kapernick I was never sold on because of his elongated throwing motion. I agree with Carl, you're not going to subject a guy like Cam Newton to the amount of hits he would take running zone read for extended amounts of time.

 

[Carl Spackler]

See Colin Kapernick or Bob Griffin

What about them?

 

[Carl Spackler]

The secondary slow bleed effect of Kelly's system is that defensive players play more minutes and more plays than their peers.

That has the effect of shortening their careers and decreasing their value for follow-on contracts. Players and agents know this. The well of defensive players willingly short-circuiting the longevity of their career is small. You end up getting players who were fall backs from deals gone bad.

NFL is so very much a different brand of football than college. It's pure business. HUGE business.

This is very true - about the defense. THe strategic aspect of that entire offensive game (and it's not just Chip Kelly) is that you run as many offensive plays as possible through the game. Dana Holgorsen is a guy out there in the college world that's done good things with the same strategy but a completely different tactical approach - using the pass first, but it's still easily defeated. It most certainly speeds up the play of the game, but also makes players have to play at full speed longer.

All of this theoretical talk, of course conditional that there isn't a major personnel mismatch on the field, and all other things are level in preparation and execution (which it never is - but hey - it's the offseason)

We've seen the complete opposite in the 2015 season of UCONN football. Slowing down the game and shortening it as a strategic approach.

 

[Jerry1714]

What about them?

they are examples of your point, hence the use of "see"

 

[Jerry1714]

I think RG3, is more a victim of playing through a knee injury he had no business playing through. Kapernick I was never sold on because of his elongated throwing motion. I agree with Carl, you're not going to subject a guy like Cam Newton to the amount of hits he would take running zone read for extended amounts of time.

Ron Jaworski is a HUGE idiot, but of all his stupid statements I think proclaiming Kapernick as having potential to be the greatest QB of all time is my favorite

 

[Carl Spackler]

they are examples of your point, hence the use of "see"

Oh, an agreement, not an argument. Got it.

 

[Nostical]

Chip Kelly has the arrogance of Belichick without the success to warrant it. Belchick is seen as a taciturn genius, thus granting him leeway for his grunted non- answers to questions. Kelly has yet to earn professional respect and thus his act isn't tolerated by anyone. He's seen as little more than a fat boorish jerk.

 

[StoweD210]

Sean Payton and Pete Carroll make $8 mill/yr Bill Belichick and Andy Reid both make $7.5 Mill/yr
http://coacheshotseat.com/NFLCoachesSalaries.htm

Jeff Fisher must look at that list, compare his salary and success relative the coaches around him and just laugh.

 

[MilliniumPrince]

Jeff Fisher must look at that list, compare his salary and success relative the coaches around him and just laugh.

The love Fisher gets for accomplishing nothing is one of the great mysteries of the NFL.

 

[Carl Spackler]

The love Fisher gets for accomplishing nothing is one of the great mysteries of the NFL.

No, it's simple. It's the power of a good moustache.

 

[ktuck911]

Eagles were probably nuts for hiring him in the first place, then making him GM along with head coach. CFB is a lot easier to coach. When you deal with grown men with egos who make a lot of $$$ off what they do you can't use that same stuff you used in college on them.
There's no plug in and play scenario that can work right away up there. And you get rid of your best 3 offensive playmakers in the course of 2 seasons? Guys that fit the system way better than the guys you signed or traded for? In Philly, the worst NFL fans in the world....

 

[HuskyHawk]

Chip Kelly has the arrogance of Belichick without the success to warrant it. Belchick is seen as a taciturn genius, thus granting him leeway for his grunted non- answers to questions. Kelly has yet to earn professional respect and thus his act isn't tolerated by anyone. He's seen as little more than a fat boorish jerk.

It's very interesting to mention Belichick here. He's a guy who wants players to fit his "system" to a very great degree. But what his system relies on, on both sides of the ball, is versatility. He wants guards who can play tackle. RBs who can run and catch, and block. Tight Ends who can catch and block. Safetys who can play CB or LB depending. LBs who can move all over and do multiple things, including play TE. DEs that can be LBs, and DTs that can be DEs. The roles his players are asked to play shifts from snap to snap and formation to formation. It's why they survive massive injury problems like this year and player losses over the year. Belichick would love LeSean McCoy. His history is littered with players like Vrabel who was a DE and LB and TE. He picked up Mike Williams this year who is OL and TE. Jabal Sheard who he grabbed offseason (an LB he moved to DE). Edelman was a QB. He wants "football players" who can do lots of things in a dynamic way, not pieces to puzzle.

Every NFL coach that tries to force his players into a precise, narrow system is doomed to fail. We see it over and over. In college, with a stream of new players ever year, and a much larger roster overall, coaches can be more system oriented and still succeed.