Eagles Fire Kelly

[FDNY99]

Here are the 2015 NCAA Football Coaches:
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

Here are the 2015 NCAA Basketball Coaches:
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach/

KO is missing from the hoops coaches salary list because it is only teams in the 2015 NCAA tourney.

 

[Carl Spackler]

the history of football is littered with strategies that were at first innovative and unstoppable, and not long after, obsolete. Add Chip Kelly's offense to the list.

 

[noeynox]

the history of football is littered with strategies that were at first innovative and unstoppable, and not long after, obsolete. Add Chip Kelly's offense to the list.

In college it will still light up scoreboards. In the NFL, the DEs have too much speed, teams are too disciplined for that zone read, to be disruptive, but I agree in general offenses are like fads. They never last.

 

[Carl Spackler]

In college it will still light up scoreboards. In the NFL, the DEs have too much speed, teams are too disciplined for that zone read, to be disruptive, but I agree in general offenses are like fads. They never last.

Good points. In the NFL though, its more that players are commodities of varying values, amd there is nothing more valueable than a healthy effective QB. In college, you can do it and it becomes more a contest of who has recruited tge better athletes and prepared them.

Making the QB a target that defenses need to account for in defending the run on every down is not good for NFL business. A QB that is a Randall Cunningham or similar scrambler is a different thing.

The principle of Kelly's offense (and any other similar pseudo option) is that the ball carrier through to the end of the play is not determined pre-snap in the play call. It was a strategy that started very simply with leaving a defender ( usually a DT) unblocked purposely, and then reacting with thd movement of that DT off the snap. After that defenses got smart and simply put a spy on the QB and RB on every defensive play call. After thst the zone/read/option developed that the qb keyed off defensive linemen alignments pre-snap. That worked for a while until defenses figured out the tactics there to stop it. Not long after, it was figured out that you can defeat it not just at a tactical level, but at a strategic level, based on how rotate defensive secondary coverage shells and run support to the edges of the offensivd formation.

There are only a handful of offensive and defensive strategies in football that cannot be defeated at a strategic level. The academy triple option offense is one of them. The Vince Lombardi run to daylight offense is one. I'm hard pressed to come up with sny offensive strategy thstbis based on pass first concepts that fits. On defense, the Tom Landry 4-3 flex is one. The 3-3 stack, is another.

Of course, you got to fit perssonnel and strategy together. A successful program is all about having sound strategic planning, and large scale organizational, intelligence and operations leading to execution of the plans.

Nothing in the world of sports come close.


Bowl seasons are great, because they make offseasons so much shorter.

 

[Chin Diesel]

The secondary slow bleed effect of Kelly's system is that defensive players play more minutes and more plays than their peers.

That has the effect of shortening their careers and decreasing their value for follow-on contracts. Players and agents know this. The well of defensive players willingly short-circuiting the longevity of their career is small. You end up getting players who were fall backs from deals gone bad.

 

[Jerry1714]

the history of football is littered with strategies that were at first innovative and unstoppable, and not long after, obsolete. Add Chip Kelly's offense to the list.

See Colin Kapernick or Bob Griffin

 

[noeynox]

See Colin Kapernick or Bob Griffin

I think RG3, is more a victim of playing through a knee injury he had no business playing through. Kapernick I was never sold on because of his elongated throwing motion. I agree with Carl, you're not going to subject a guy like Cam Newton to the amount of hits he would take running zone read for extended amounts of time.

 

[Carl Spackler]

See Colin Kapernick or Bob Griffin

What about them?

 

[Carl Spackler]

The secondary slow bleed effect of Kelly's system is that defensive players play more minutes and more plays than their peers.

That has the effect of shortening their careers and decreasing their value for follow-on contracts. Players and agents know this. The well of defensive players willingly short-circuiting the longevity of their career is small. You end up getting players who were fall backs from deals gone bad.

NFL is so very much a different brand of football than college. It's pure business. HUGE business.

This is very true - about the defense. THe strategic aspect of that entire offensive game (and it's not just Chip Kelly) is that you run as many offensive plays as possible through the game. Dana Holgorsen is a guy out there in the college world that's done good things with the same strategy but a completely different tactical approach - using the pass first, but it's still easily defeated. It most certainly speeds up the play of the game, but also makes players have to play at full speed longer.

All of this theoretical talk, of course conditional that there isn't a major personnel mismatch on the field, and all other things are level in preparation and execution (which it never is - but hey - it's the offseason)

We've seen the complete opposite in the 2015 season of UCONN football. Slowing down the game and shortening it as a strategic approach.

 

[Jerry1714]

What about them?

they are examples of your point, hence the use of "see"

 

[Jerry1714]

I think RG3, is more a victim of playing through a knee injury he had no business playing through. Kapernick I was never sold on because of his elongated throwing motion. I agree with Carl, you're not going to subject a guy like Cam Newton to the amount of hits he would take running zone read for extended amounts of time.

Ron Jaworski is a HUGE idiot, but of all his stupid statements I think proclaiming Kapernick as having potential to be the greatest QB of all time is my favorite

 

[Carl Spackler]

they are examples of your point, hence the use of "see"

Oh, an agreement, not an argument. Got it.

 

[Nostical]

Chip Kelly has the arrogance of Belichick without the success to warrant it. Belchick is seen as a taciturn genius, thus granting him leeway for his grunted non- answers to questions. Kelly has yet to earn professional respect and thus his act isn't tolerated by anyone. He's seen as little more than a fat boorish jerk.

 

[StoweD210]

Sean Payton and Pete Carroll make $8 mill/yr Bill Belichick and Andy Reid both make $7.5 Mill/yr
http://coacheshotseat.com/NFLCoachesSalaries.htm

Jeff Fisher must look at that list, compare his salary and success relative the coaches around him and just laugh.

 

[MilliniumPrince]

Jeff Fisher must look at that list, compare his salary and success relative the coaches around him and just laugh.

The love Fisher gets for accomplishing nothing is one of the great mysteries of the NFL.

 

[Carl Spackler]

The love Fisher gets for accomplishing nothing is one of the great mysteries of the NFL.

No, it's simple. It's the power of a good moustache.

 

[ktuck911]

Eagles were probably nuts for hiring him in the first place, then making him GM along with head coach. CFB is a lot easier to coach. When you deal with grown men with egos who make a lot of $$$ off what they do you can't use that same stuff you used in college on them.
There's no plug in and play scenario that can work right away up there. And you get rid of your best 3 offensive playmakers in the course of 2 seasons? Guys that fit the system way better than the guys you signed or traded for? In Philly, the worst NFL fans in the world....

 

[HuskyHawk]

Chip Kelly has the arrogance of Belichick without the success to warrant it. Belchick is seen as a taciturn genius, thus granting him leeway for his grunted non- answers to questions. Kelly has yet to earn professional respect and thus his act isn't tolerated by anyone. He's seen as little more than a fat boorish jerk.

It's very interesting to mention Belichick here. He's a guy who wants players to fit his "system" to a very great degree. But what his system relies on, on both sides of the ball, is versatility. He wants guards who can play tackle. RBs who can run and catch, and block. Tight Ends who can catch and block. Safetys who can play CB or LB depending. LBs who can move all over and do multiple things, including play TE. DEs that can be LBs, and DTs that can be DEs. The roles his players are asked to play shifts from snap to snap and formation to formation. It's why they survive massive injury problems like this year and player losses over the year. Belichick would love LeSean McCoy. His history is littered with players like Vrabel who was a DE and LB and TE. He picked up Mike Williams this year who is OL and TE. Jabal Sheard who he grabbed offseason (an LB he moved to DE). Edelman was a QB. He wants "football players" who can do lots of things in a dynamic way, not pieces to puzzle.

Every NFL coach that tries to force his players into a precise, narrow system is doomed to fail. We see it over and over. In college, with a stream of new players ever year, and a much larger roster overall, coaches can be more system oriented and still succeed.