Dunn leaving to become Jets TE coach

[uconnfan68]

UConn Women lost $3M last year.

Money remains UConn Athletics’ biggest loss

Another article said only 2% of FB and MBB made money. It also said only UConn WBB made a profit.

 

[RSTuthill]

They have lost 5 games in the last 6 seasons, 2 were overtime on last second shots. You might want to try using that thing between your ears called a brain before you post.

Hahaha. That was then. This is now. Wake up and smell the coffee.

 

[RSTuthill]

Another article said only 2% of FB and MBB made money. It also said only UConn WBB made a profit.

Well, that article has a serious credibility issue now, doesn't it. They lost $3 mil.

 

[Life Is Good]

Dunn and...Dunn.

More like.......One and Dunn!

 

[ConnHuskBask]

What you are failing to comprehend is that WBB sells tickets has a TV contract and is self funded. Remove Geno and ticket sales go away, TV contract goes away and donations drop.

I don't think you know what self funded means.

 

[zls44]

Where has paying Geno gotten us?

11 national championships

 

[metsfan2323]

I don't think you know what self funded means.

It's clear you don't know a damn thing about business or accounting. Numbers can be manipulated to produce a desired result, like a large check from the state.

 

[zls44]

Geno is regularly losing recruiting battles now and this year's team will make it no further than the third or fourth round.

UConn signed the #1 player in the country each of the previous three classes.

 

[zls44]

Theres a hundred logical cuts you can make to save money in the AD and you morons wanna cut the reason UConn has turned a money pit at every school into a moneymaker (ignore the Courant report, they make money or break even at worst, pay attention).

Plus, imagine the headlines and look of such a move. You guys thought the national mockery of Edsall's bonuses for consecutive first downs in odd-numbered quarters was bad? You haven't seen the half of it if you cut WBB money for this s**tshow of a football program.

 

[uconnphil2016]

11 national championships

I would say that we should cut WBB, but it's the most important social program that seniors have after medicare and social security

 

[zls44]

I would say that we should cut WBB, but it's the most important social program that seniors have after medicare and social security

ok, this was funny, lol

 

[ConnHuskBask]

It's clear you don't know a damn thing about business or accounting. Numbers can be manipulated to produce a desired result, like a large check from the state.

Everyone knows the P&L's can be manipulated to nearly whatever you want them to be. Comparing one to another isn't going to be apples to apples. However we are looking at what UConn is reporting itself about it's own programs. If anything the numbers are likely to be a lot worse across the board than what they are saying.

Theres a hundred logical cuts you can make to save money in the AD and you morons wanna cut the reason UConn has turned a money pit at every school into a moneymaker (ignore the Courant report, they make money or break even at worst, pay attention).

Plus, imagine the headlines and look of such a move. You guys thought the national mockery of Edsall's bonuses for consecutive first downs in odd-numbered quarters was bad? You haven't seen the half of it if you cut WBB money for this s**tshow of a football program.

Of course the whole AD is a money pit and bloated with idiots who have run it into the ground. Geno, the hockey programs, track and field are all losing millions and would be the first places I'd look towards leaning out.

I'm past the point of caring what the national media wants to run with as the story of the day. They didn't say a peep when the 11 time national champions were left to rot on the vine in this Mickey mouse league did they?

Again what you are all failing to accept is that it's not about what Geno deserves, it's not about losing money on athletics (nearly everyone does), it's managing how much we are losing.

Football is the only program that can get us out of here. What don't you understand?

 

[RSTuthill]

UConn signed the #1 player in the country each of the previous three classes.

Tough to recognize a sea change isn't it. #1 player in the country the last three years? Yet somehow they are only 5th and managed to beat Cincinnati by only 10. (Cincinnati!!)

 

[CL82]

Does anyone know how much Taliek Brown and Shea Ralph get paid to hold clipboards?

Shea Ralph is good young coach who could be a HC right now if she wanted to. She's very likely to the next HC at UConn, if Chris Daley doesn't want it.

Taliek is Director of Player Development. His job is largely logistical and working with players, tutors etc. He also is a critical link to past Huskies players.

Why crap on them?

 

[whaler11]

as loathe as I am to agree with Mets - the wbb program probably runs above breakeven all in.

the numbers uconn publishes by sport dont reflect the actual results.

it probably isnt possible because all you can do is guess at how to allocate things like the IMG deal across sports.

 

[CL82]

It doesn't pay to have a competitive WBB team, and sports should only be funded if they can be profitable IMO.

Exactly, well except that WBB until recently WBB turned a profit for us. It's Tier 3 rights alone earn about half of the media money we get from AAC. But keep digging Phil.

 

[zls44]

You idiots just ignoring the fact that Nike would cut the UConn deal by 1/3 to 1/2 without UConn WBB powerhouse because of their ability to market to women, who are 60% of the population. Do you think they pay that high above market rate for football? A struggling MBB program?

What about the SNY deal? Do you think they're in it for the men's OOC games against Wagner in November or the fact that they pull ratings throughout the entire WBB season?

Congrats, you just took $2m in WBB staff salaries, gave it to football, and also cut the media and licensing contracts by about $3.5m a year.

Well done. Phenomenal accounting. UConn is now another $1.5m in the hole than when you started. Before factoring in cratering ticket sales because the WBB program is much worse off.

. This place really is the worst.

 

[RSTuthill]

I think this discussion boils down to an assertion, that if you are going to play FBS football, it has to be your number one priority or you should not be playing FBS football at all. You need to allocate enough resources to the number one priority program to be successful. After that, all other programs come next. If you are not willing to do that, get out of FBS and do something else. It is just that simple.

That is the way it is in the P5, and if that is where you want to go, then that is what you have to do too.

 

[CL82]

IIRC, the UConn Women's Basketball Team set a record for winning 111 consecutive games, and the world couldn't even change the channel because the TV set wasn't on. WBB is too much of a niche sport to ever bring a significant amount of meaningful good press. There is a reason WCBB is relegated to ESPN2 on Sunday afternoons when the sports world is watching the NFL on CBS and Fox.

The opportunity cost of paying a WCBB coach $2 million is huge. There is no meaningful payback in terms of money or reputation that justifies such a cost. UConn could hire a serviceable WCBB coach at one-tenth the price and still receive the same amount of benefit. But you see what happens in football when you don't pay your coaches.

What a stunningly ill-informed post. UCWBB draws better than most D-1 hoops mens programs. They fill arenas when they travel. No one was watching the end of UConn's 111 game streak? It was the woman's final four and it out drew an NBA game:

The notion that you can replace the best coach in woman's basketball, an 11 time national champion and HOFer with "a serviceable WCBB" is stunningly moronic.

Don't know what you do in the real world, but I hope it isn't important.

 

[zls44]

I think this discussion boils down to an assertion, that if you are going to play FBS football, it has to be your number one priority or you should not be playing FBS football at all. You need to allocate enough resources to the number one priority program to be successful. After that, all other programs come next. If you are not willing to do that, get out of FBS and do something else. It is just that simple.

That is the way it is in the P5, and if that is where you want to go, then that is what you have to do too.

I agree. But the answer isn't to cut the WBB staff- its to use it as direct proof of the benefit of paying a good staff and drive fundraising off of it.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

I think this discussion boils down to an assertion, that if you are going to play FBS football, it has to be your number one priority or you should not be playing FBS football at all. You need to allocate enough resources to the number one priority program to be successful. After that, all other programs come next. If you are not willing to do that, get out of FBS and do something else. It is just that simple.

That's my whole point.

 

[zls44]

What a stunningly ill-informed post. UCWBB draws better than most D-1 hoops mens programs. They fill arenas when they travel. No one was watching the end of UConn's 111 game streak? It was the woman's final four and it out drew an NBA game:
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The notion that you can replace the best coach in woman's basketball, an 11 time national champion and HOFer with "a serviceable WCBB" is stunningly moronic.

Don't know what you do in the real world, but I hope it isn't important.

In a world where TV ratings for almost everything are down, WBB ratings have been increasing. Its interesting to keep an eye on.

This stuff takes time.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

I agree. But the answer isn't to cut the WBB staff- its to use it as direct proof of the benefit of paying a good staff and drive fundraising off of it.

Look I don't want to cut anything. But we need to allocate more funding to football or just get out of it entirely.

 

[uconnphil2016]

You idiots just ignoring the fact that Nike would cut the UConn deal by 1/3 to 1/2 without UConn WBB powerhouse because of their ability to market to women, who are 60% of the population. Do you think they pay that high above market rate for football? A struggling MBB program?

What about the SNY deal? Do you think they're in it for the men's OOC games against Wagner in November or the fact that they pull ratings throughout the entire WBB season?

Congrats, you just took $2m in WBB staff salaries, gave it to football, and also cut the media and licensing contracts by about $3.5m a year.

Well done. Phenomenal accounting. UConn is now another $1.5m in the hole than when you started. Before factoring in cratering ticket sales because the WBB program is much worse off.

. This place really is the worst.

I’m intentionally trying to stir the pot. I get WBBs value. I still don’t think the coaching salary pool should be what it is. I just know WBB is a hot button topic for the AARP crowd

 

[UConnJim]

I have analyzed the AD financials. My guess is that football, men’s basketball, and women’s basketball in total are about breakeven, maybe a slight loss due to the depressed performance of football and men’s basketball.

The losses in the department come from 3 areas: administration cots which seem too high to me, non-revenue sports, and non-athlete related costs from intramural sand facilities. Some of the non-revenue sports are necessary to offset the football scholarships for Title 9.

The revenue solution to our problem comes from 3 areas:

1) Better success of football and men’s basketball will lead to more revenues.
2) Better conference media deal.
3) Better fundraising specifically for football.

Plus, I think we need to reduce administrative costs in the AD.

 

[UConnDan97]

You idiots just ignoring the fact that Nike would cut the UConn deal by 1/3 to 1/2 without UConn WBB powerhouse because of their ability to market to women, who are 60% of the population. Do you think they pay that high above market rate for football? A struggling MBB program?

What about the SNY deal? Do you think they're in it for the men's OOC games against Wagner in November or the fact that they pull ratings throughout the entire WBB season?

Congrats, you just took $2m in WBB staff salaries, gave it to football, and also cut the media and licensing contracts by about $3.5m a year.

Well done. Phenomenal accounting. UConn is now another $1.5m in the hole than when you started. Before factoring in cratering ticket sales because the WBB program is much worse off.

. This place really is the worst.

Bingo!

This should be mandatory reading for the entire 'Yard. Please, if someone else gets the ridiculous idea of dropping the most successful program in all of sports into their head again, feel free to punch yourself in the chops to remember how painfully stupid you are...

 

[Dooley]

I didn't read every reply in this thread but I don't think anyone is saying they want to cut WBB. I think what they are saying (I am too) that if we can aggressively spend to retain a top WBB coaching staff, we better goddam do it in football too. But we don't. And we have now lost our last 2 successful OCs to lateral or worse jobs. That's very hard to understand and justify.

There are administrative things UConn can do to clean up its house and free up some dough (lease agreements, stop handing out horrific extensions and buyout terms to mediocre coaches, etc). Eventually, UConn will need to cut several non-revenue sports. But at some point, we have to start devoting the appropriate funding to field a competitive FBS coaching staff.

Also, when Geno retires, some of that savings better be diverted into our football staff. That's really a no-brainer.

 

[Purple Stein]

disagree. Only Pindell will be missed from the seniors. I will miss Davis as I think he was the most consistent tight end on the team.

The offensive line should be better along with the defensive backs.

I will call it now. This team will win 4-5 games this year.

If we win 5 games in 2019 I will buy your season tickets for 2020!

 

[Chief00]

as loathe as I am to agree with Mets - the wbb program probably runs above breakeven all in.

the numbers uconn publishes by sport dont reflect the actual results.

it probably isnt possible because all you can do is guess at how to allocate things like the IMG deal across sports.

I think what you would find is too many high paid bureaucrats that that have their costs allocated over various sports that they don’t really contribute to in any tangible way.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I think what you would find is too many high paid bureaucrats that that have their costs allocated over various sports that they don’t really contribute to in any tangible way.

Which is exactly the case in every state and federal agency and every school system in the country. It’s nit unique to UConn.

I suspect we will need to cut sports. The football coaches salaries are down for one reason, Randy cam here on a below market deal and we are still paying Bobby D.

If our coaches suck so bad...why do other people keep hiring them?