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How is this a top 5 team??

I know the easy answer is Duke hype, but come on. Even the most biased analyst cant possibly see that roster and think its the 5th best team.

Greyson Allen (of 3 good career games fame), Matt Jones (who?), Brandon Ingram (weighs 47 pounds), Amile Jefferson, and Marshall Plumlee is the starting lineup???!!!!!!

Their bench is three freshman: Thornton will probably be good, Luke Kennard who knows, and I'm not impressed by chubby slow Jeter.

Their only point guard is a freshman, and Allen and maybe Ingram are the only ones who can score. They're basically a bunch of typical Duke scrappy guys, but this time theyre not surrounded by any star players.

I know its one game against a good Ky team, but I dont see a whole lot of offensive talent on that roster.

I havent seen many games yet this year besides ours (there haven't been any), but looking at rosters on paper, I don't really see many that are better than ours. Certainly not Duke's
 
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Allen and Ingram were completely ineffective tonight. jones is a typical catch and shoot 3 point specialist, and not much else. Jefferson is a solid garbage man who cleans up the glass and makes a living on put backs, and Plumlee is a plumlee. Really not impressed with them tonight although it was against a good UK team. They simply don't have a true PG, their defense is not particularly good, and their offense is not nearly good enough to bail them out like usual
 
They obviously shouldn't be, Ingram will be a stud but it's going to take a little time. They have talent but they are young and Allen is overrated from his big title game performance, I watched the whole game and still don't know who their point guard is. Kentucky is legit, that backcourt of Ulis, Murray and Briscoe is going to be a problem. Ulis is a great college point guard and Murray is a star.
 
Duke didn't impress. Was kind of split between our game and that one, but it seemed to me that Kentucky wants to run. Can they shoot the 3 at all?
 
Wish we played them in one of these early season tournaments, we would run them off the court.
 
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I watched during timeouts and after our game was over. Greyson Allen looks clueless. He kept trying that driving for a dunk in the lane that seems to be his only offensive move and KY defense wasn't having any of that. Duke looks small and soft although it looked like Plumlee was abusing Skal in the paint quite a bit. Thornton looked ok. Chase Jeter looks like he has no idea what is going on and could use a haircut. Jefferson played pretty well. Kentucky looked better than I thought. Ulis and Murray were great and Briscoe looked pretty good.
 
Said it before. They have a talented bunch of freshmen but not a single one that collapses defenses like Okafor did last year. They may stay in the top ten, but I see them as more top 20ish right now.
 
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Jefferson works his butt off, love his game. Allen is out of control, talented but overhyped and looks like K is giving him the keys for now. Young but talented, not sure it's the same maturity in this years youth to bring K back to the FF or even close, we'll see.
 
Minicoop69 said:
Duke didn't impress. Was kind of split between our game and that one, but it seemed to me that Kentucky wants to run. Can they shoot the 3 at all?
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Kentucky? Murray and Ullis can. Don't think anyone else is that good from three. Briscoe is streaky (well from high school). Skal has a good shot but not from 3, that I have seen.

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I watched during timeouts and after our game was over. Greyson Allen looks clueless. He kept trying that driving for a dunk in the lane that seems to be his only offensive move and KY defense wasn't having any of that. Duke looks small and soft although it looked like Plumlee was abusing Skal in the paint quite a bit. Thornton looked ok. Chase Jeter looks like he has no idea what is going on and could use a haircut. Jefferson played pretty well. Kentucky looked better than I thought. Ulis and Murray were great and Briscoe looked pretty good.
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Allen is athletic and can shoot but he is only a straight line dribbler. He has zero moves and zero hesitation and really isn't a threat to pass on the drive. Against teams he is more athletic than he will score points because he can shoot and drive, not so against more athletic teams.
 
DAMN YOU Wisconsin, you had that game in your hands, you should have won that title, leaving Duke a loser again with #4 and no hope this year to win anything. Duke looks overrated, over matched and soft. Allen is going to be a product of the hype machine, it's easy to come out of nowhere and make an impact as the 6# man of your team, it's different when the target is on your back
 
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Allen is athletic and can shoot but he is only a straight line dribbler. He has zero moves and zero hesitation and really isn't a threat to pass on the drive. Against teams he is more athletic than he will score points because he can shoot and drive, not so against more athletic teams.
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Couldn't agree with this more. Allen is a great guy to have as a second or third option on a team but:

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Uncharacteristically, Duke was missing a lot of FT's, at least when I had the game tuned in. KY seemed to be hitting every one.
 
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Said it before. They have a talented bunch of freshmen but not a single one that collapses defenses like Okafor did last year. They may stay in the top ten, but I see them as more top 20ish right now.
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Don't worry, the could be a .500 team and ESPN will make sure Duke is still in the Top 10. As for me, a game between Duke and Kentucky is hard to watch, anyway they both could have lost?
 
On the other hand, Kentucky looks quite impressive, especially so early in the season. They also have good guard play, which makes them more dangerous than a lineup where most of the star power is on the front line.
 
HuskiesAllDay said:
How is this a top 5 team??

I know the easy answer is Duke hype, but come on. Even the most biased analyst cant possibly see that roster and think its the 5th best team.

Greyson Allen (of 3 good career games fame), Matt Jones (who?), Brandon Ingram (weighs 47 pounds), Amile Jefferson, and Marshall Plumlee is the starting lineup???!!!!!!

Their bench is three freshman: Thornton will probably be good, Luke Kennard who knows, and I'm not impressed by chubby slow Jeter.

Their only point guard is a freshman, and Allen and maybe Ingram are the only ones who can score. They're basically a bunch of typical Duke scrappy guys, but this time theyre not surrounded by any star players.

I know its one game against a good Ky team, but I dont see a whole lot of offensive talent on that roster.

I havent seen many games yet this year besides ours (there haven't been any), but looking at rosters on paper, I don't really see many that are better than ours. Certainly not Duke's
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I know you said this in the first sentence, but it really is all duke hype (coach K hype).

Duke has been in the tournament every year since 2000 (nine #1 seeds, four #2 seeds, two #3 seeds, one #6 seed).
It's hard to bet against that track record and while Duke may not be a top 5 team in the nation today, the polls and coaches are betting on the potential and coaching to become one.

Remember, UK was the preseason #1 team the year after AD and MKG too. Robert Morris may have something to say about that...

At this point, I see Duke as no higher than a borderline top 25 team.
 
I think we need to pump the brakes a little bit if we're writing Duke off after one game against an exceptionally talented Kentucky team (I know its only a couple posters doing that, but you're just begging to have some of these posts thrown back in your face if your posting something like 'they have no hope of winning anything this season'.

That said, I also think UConn is better.
 
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Duke is going to be just fine, the team might be a bit flawed but they still have a ton of talent and it's Duke.
 
Like HuskyFich said, Duke gets the benefit of the doubt when it comes to rankings from both the selection committee as well as the national media polls. Quite the dangerous combination for all the other schools. They are always intrinsically perceived by the eye test to be better than they truly are, and that's why you see guys like Greyson Allen getting absurd Preseason All American talk, because the people that form the opinions of the "general public" perceive a player in a Duke jersey to be more talented than the same player in a different jersey. They are seen as "what can be by season's end with all that talent and Coach K at the helm" moreso than what they truly are at the very moment when rankings are made, which is intrinsically wrong and unfair to the competition. But it is what it is. I have no doubt in my mind Duke will not go worse than Top 12 at any point in this season, despite how many losses they rack up.

The truth of the matter is that UConn, despite winning just as much as Duke at the highest level and in a much tougher conference, has never gotten that treatment from those who form the opinions that "matter". Our occasional inconsistencies in the regular season over the last two plus decades has given the media the opinion that UConn is likely to combust coming into any given season. They take a "wait and see" approach with us, which is vastly different than what UK, Duke, UNC, and KU get (the 4 main programs right now getting "the treatment").

It is what it is, just keep winning baby.
 
Really unimpressed with them. Jones is an average guard at best. Thornton is not ready for this level of basketball. Grayson Allen feasts on low majors but once he goes up against fast and athletic players, he stinks. Ingram is a softy, enough said. Very talented but needs to put on weight. Jefferson is underrated in my opinion. Great rebounder. Plumlee is just ehhh. I think we'd have no problem handling Duke this year.
 
The refs will make sure duke doesn't lose an acc game other than North Carolina this year. They're a talented well coached team, but anyone who looked at their roster without bias had some questions.
 
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