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uh-no said:
3 straight elite 8's and a final 4...Scheyer isn't going anywhere any time soon.
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Round of 32, Elite 8, Final 4, Elite 8.

Two epic comebacks/chokes against him where he was heavily favored and had the best player in college basketball surrounded by other top players.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Fouling up 3 with 10 seconds or less is textbook. I don’t have a problem with that.
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No it’s absolutely not textbook. Most top coaches aren’t fouling in that situation. You play tough defense and try to get the rebound up 3 and the game is over. If you foul a good FT shooter with 10 seconds left you’re possibly up 1 having to inbound the ball under UConn’s basket. You don’t ever want that option on the table. The smart play is to trust your defense which was rated in the top 5 all year and if UConn hits a tough 3, worst case scenario is you go to overtime. It was absolutely 100% a horrible call to foul there and I’m not sure why the media hasn’t discussed it more.
 
Kolumbo said:
I don't think 2. mattered much. UConn inbounded the ball with 28.9 seconds and when Demary picked up the ball UConn called a timeout with 27.2 seconds left. UConn then inbounded the ball to Demary who passed it to Solo who held the ball for at least 4 seconds while waiting for Demary to run a long loop to receive the ball again with 20 seconds left. He passes the ball to AK with 14 seconds left who actually shuffled his feet a bit before passing back to Demary. Demary finally gets fouled with 10 seconds left. I didn't understand why they didn't try to run something much sooner.
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No, you're right, conserving time on the clock had no part in the comeback, allowing UConn to still have 10 seconds left at that point. Makes perfect logical sense.
 
Edward Sargent said:
Its amazing but Cuse, BC, WV, Pitt and even Miami went to ACC for football and are now afterthoughts in both football and bball
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Uh... you do realize that Miami played in the national championship game this past season, right ? What you're saying is certainly true of the others, but not really Miami.
 
WhereistheDove? said:
The ref by the UConn bench stops the game almost immediately after the shot goes down because it’s for sure going to be a timing review. There is zero shot they call a T in that scenario.
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I was told by a college Ref that it is not a T if the clock is stopped.
 
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Dove said:
This is fantastic! Amazing, even.

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It's crazy - even when it's these guys on camera, watching the action on the floor, it doesn't seem like it takes Raf that long to weigh in, but when you watch that angle, it's like FOREVER.
 
Chonky said:
Oh I agree. They did great. I mean watch the range of emotions Hill goes through (being a Duke guy). He’s clearly upset but pulls it together.
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Yup. The first thing he says - "All Duke had to do there was hold it". He's stunned they screwed it up
 
We overcame so many obstacles. And not only the bad shooting or the non-charge call on Boozer. With under 2 min to play and UConn gaining momentum only down by 4, Ngongba totally hooked Alex and tugged him into him. They called this a foul on Alex. Fortunately he only hit one and then the comeback started. Tremendous resilience by these Huskies.
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TheShot1990 said:
We overcame so many obstacles. And not only the bad shooting or the non-charge call on Boozer. With under 2 min to play and UConn gaining momentum only down by 4, Ngongba totally hooked Alex and tugged him into him. They called this a foul on Alex. Fortunately he only hit one and then the comeback started. Tremendous resilience by these Huskies.
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Yes. I remember this vividly, and shortly before this on our offensive possession Tarris was mugged by two Duke players with no call and we ended up with a shot clock violation.

Earlier in the game Ngongba and Mullins bumped and Ngongba hit the deck like he was steamrolled. Hill even said "is Mullins strong enough to knock him over?". Foul called on Mullins.

Ridiculous, but the good guys won!
 
FfldCntyFan said:
It came down to coaching, mindset, toughness and will. Over the final six minutes Duke's approach was basically hoping the clock ran out beore we caught them. That's where the game was lost.
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Hurley out coached Scheyer starting at about the 3 minute mark of the first half. UConn made 3 sprints where they bit into the lead. Got it from 15 to 7, 10 to 2 and then the final push to win. If the game was 45 minutes we are icing it on the line at the end and winning by 5
 
Hurleyman216 said:
No it’s absolutely not textbook. Most top coaches aren’t fouling in that situation. You play tough defense and try to get the rebound up 3 and the game is over. If you foul a good FT shooter with 10 seconds left you’re possibly up 1 having to inbound the ball under UConn’s basket. You don’t ever want that option on the table. The smart play is to trust your defense which was rated in the top 5 all year and if UConn hits a tough 3, worst case scenario is you go to overtime. It was absolutely 100% a horrible call to foul there and I’m not sure why the media hasn’t discussed it more.
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It is fine if you feel that way, and a few coaches, like Calhoun, didn't like fouling up 3. The vast majority of coaches will foul up 3 with 10 or fewer seconds left.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
It is fine if you feel that way, and a few coaches, like Calhoun, didn't like fouling up 3. The vast majority of coaches will foul up 3 with 10 or fewer seconds left.
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The vast majority of high major Division 1 coaches absolutely wouldn’t foul in that scenario. You can have your opinion, but also be wrong at the same time, but don’t act like that was the correct coaching move, it was playing scared.
 
Hurleyman216 said:
The vast majority of high major Division 1 coaches absolutely wouldn’t foul in that scenario. You can have your opinion, but also be wrong at the same time, but don’t act like that was the correct coaching move, it was playing scared.
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Some coaches foul up three and some don't. I personally like fouling if the other team has good outside shooters but never with 10 seconds left. 6 seconds at the most.
 
TheShot1990 said:
We overcame so many obstacles. And not only the bad shooting or the non-charge call on Boozer. With under 2 min to play and UConn gaining momentum only down by 4, Ngongba totally hooked Alex and tugged him into him. They called this a foul on Alex. Fortunately he only hit one and then the comeback started. Tremendous resilience by these Huskies.
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it doesn't matter now but couldn't this play have been reviewed with a coaches challenge for a hook and hold?
 
TheShot1990 said:
We overcame so many obstacles. And not only the bad shooting or the non-charge call on Boozer. With under 2 min to play and UConn gaining momentum only down by 4, Ngongba totally hooked Alex and tugged him into him. They called this a foul on Alex. Fortunately he only hit one and then the comeback started. Tremendous resilience by these Huskies.
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Yeah, only one of the three questionable calls in the second half by my count. There were nearly a dozen in the first half...
 
Nowadays, there are so many made 3's in the last minute of the game, primarily because the leading team is afraid to foul the shooter, that the majority of coaches foul up 3. Its stupid not to. I've often had games where I was -3 and screwed because of this. The fact that Danny didn't, really threw them off. It was basically reverse psychology, but a major risk.
 
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The more I see the 10 seconds, it dawns on me that Dook went with the DONT GET FOULED!!! strategy. Fireable.
 
Dove said:
But that lead could become 1 with 10 seconds left. Insane.
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Yeah exactly, which is why it isn’t “textbook”. 9/10 top tier coaches absolutely are not fouling there. You think Izzo or Pitino are fouling there up 3 with 10 seconds left? ZERO chance, they’re letting their defense try to win the game.
 
Hurleyman216 said:
Yeah exactly, which is why it isn’t “textbook”. 9/10 top tier coaches absolutely are not fouling there. You think Izzo or Pitino are fouling there up 3 with 10 seconds left? ZERO chance, they’re letting their defense try to win the game.
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Nope, everybody does it now. You look like an @ss-clown if they tie it with a 3. Up 1 with the ball with 5 seconds left is normally a lock, unless you're Dook. You can't do lockdown D because of the risk of fouling the 3 point shooter, which can lose you the game.

Times you might not do it are if you can't inbound, you can't shoot free throws, or you're very confident you can win in OT.

There was a Notre Dame game earlier in the year where Micah Shrewsburry shoved the ref because he didn't call a foul right before the other team hit a 3. Its pretty much standard protocol.
 
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Takin' down Duke was awesome. Gotta a game on Saturday. Time to re-direct the energy and beat the odds. It's about the rings-Not the watches,
 
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aceboon said:
it doesn't matter now but couldn't this play have been reviewed with a coaches challenge for a hook and hold?
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Unfortunately, no I don’t believe a hook and hold is reviewable. But if you watch it live, you’ll realize Alex was being held so aggressively and violently, he actually couldn’t escape.
 
Not sure why they'd still be putting out this ad this far after the game, but I just got a reddit ad that was half Solo Ball tax app commercial and half Tarris Reed breakaway dunk

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TheShot1990 said:
Unfortunately, no I don’t believe a hook and hold is reviewable. But if you watch it live, you’ll realize Alex was being held so aggressively and violently, he actually couldn’t escape.
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I'm almost certain a hook and hold is reviewable. I've seen lots of them where the refs review it on the monitor. Anyone else want to weigh in on this?

The rule change was enacted to increase player safety, but has already been the subject of controversy this season. The most notable incident that led to this change happened during the 2018 NCAA Tournament, when Purdue's Isaac Haas fractured his elbow while going for a rebound against Cal State Fullerton. The foul is now reviewable and a Flagrant 1 (two foul shots and the ball) or Flagrant 2 (offending player is also ejected) can be assessed depending on the severity of the play. The differences between a legal rebound and a "hook and hold" may seem minute to most viewers, but don't be surprised if officials call the foul during the 2019 NCAA Tournament.

www.si.com

What is the 'Hook and Hold' Rule? NCAA's New Rebounding Rule Explained

The NCAA instituted the "hook and hold" rule for this season after the 2017-18 season.
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