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ndmb said:
Jones, Holland, Moore, Calhoun, at what point do you stop saying the transfers are bad luck?
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bballnut90 said:
Off the top of my head, this is the only major year where transfers have hurt Duke. Injuries crushed Duke the previous two years where they had some really talented players go down.
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Duke Transfers/Other Player Defections under Coach P (in her 7.5 seasons):

- Emily Waner
- Janee Johnson
- Brittany Mitch
- Sierra Moore
- Alexis Rogers
- Chelsea Hopkins
- Alexis Jones
- Kianna Holland
- Katie Heckman
- Chloe Wells
- Sierra Calhoun

McCallie also had two players de-commit:

- Clair Watkins
- Whitney Knight
 
CamrnCrz1974 said:
Duke Transfers/Other Player Defections under Coach P (in her 7.5 seasons):

- Emily Waner
- Janee Johnson
- Brittany Mitch
- Sierra Moore
- Alexis Rogers
- Chelsea Hopkins
- Alexis Jones
- Kianna Holland
- Katie Heckman
- Chloe Wells
- Sierra Calhoun

McCallie also had two players de-commit:

- Clair Watkins
- Whitney Knight
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Wow
 
CamrnCrz1974 said:
Duke Transfers/Other Player Defections under Coach P (in her 7.5 seasons):

- Emily Waner
- Janee Johnson
- Brittany Mitch
- Sierra Moore
- Alexis Rogers
- Chelsea Hopkins
- Alexis Jones
- Kianna Holland
- Katie Heckman
- Chloe Wells
- Sierra Calhoun

McCallie also had two players de-commit:

- Clair Watkins
- Whitney Knight
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Wow, that is quite a hit list.

Though I'm sure McCallie would blame it on the players not liking Duke's bus driver.
 
I just looked at the Under the Bus thread on the Devils Den. I have no idea how reflective the posters might be of the Duke women's team fan base but wow, what an indictment. Red flags before she was hired, terrible treatment of players and potential players, etc.

Perhaps the most telling fact, if what was stated is accurate: Former McCallie players do not come back to visit current teams. There is a long tradition at UConn, Tennessee, Baylor, Notre Dame (and I would assume at most other programs) of former players returning to help the next crop but that apparently isn't happening at Duke.

Carm, Triad - if I'm wrong in this, please let us know.
 
The Devil's Den is all over this. At this point it's best just to send sympathy cards.
 
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CamrnCrz1974 said:
Duke Transfers/Other Player Defections under Coach P (in her 7.5 seasons):

- Emily Waner
- Janee Johnson
- Brittany Mitch
- Sierra Moore
- Alexis Rogers
- Chelsea Hopkins
- Alexis Jones
- Kianna Holland
- Katie Heckman
- Chloe Wells
- Sierra Calhoun

McCallie also had two players de-commit:

- Clair Watkins
- Whitney Knight
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Did Watkins de-commit, or was her scholarship offer pulled? She is from Charlotte, right? The N&O did story about it at the time? Or am I thinking of someone else?
 
loneycafe said:
Did Watkins de-commit, or was her scholarship offer pulled? She is from Charlotte, right? The N&O did story about it at the time? Or am I thinking of someone else?
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You are correct. According to the posters on DD, McCallie publicly bullied her into de-committing. She's the young woman I had in mind when I wrote a few minutes ago about McCallie's poor treatment of potential players.
 
loneycafe said:
Did Watkins de-commit, or was her scholarship offer pulled? She is from Charlotte, right? The N&O did story about it at the time? Or am I thinking of someone else?
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I think she was told her scholarship would be honored, but she was told she would never play. Thus she de-committed and wound up at Vanderbilt and then UC Santa Barbara. More on the Duke drama here: LINK.
 
I also agree that JM's fate has already been decided. If not I would be shocked. If this were the men's game it would be a given that she would be gone with her horrid record against elite teams. Rarely if ever does Duke beat an elite team. Duke has never been the same type of tough team since GG left. If those Duke fans that some feel sorry for don't start screaming for a new coach then they will have to accept mediocre teams for the next ten years.
 
lanieer said:
I also agree that JM's fate has already been decided. If not I would be shocked. If this were the men's game it would be a given that she would be gone with her horrid record against elite teams. Rarely if ever does Duke beat an elite team. Duke has never been the same type of tough team since GG left. If those Duke fans that some feel sorry for don't start screaming for a new coach then they will have to accept mediocre teams for the next ten years.
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The thing I don't get is that the AD and administration was not pleased Gail did not win the NC (she'd still be there if they'd beaten Maryland in the NC game), and pretty much treated her like crap till she left (or did they ask her to resign). Point is, she did more with less than Joanne McCallie. And WTF is the reason behind her being called "Joanne P McCallie"? and she goes by the initials of JPM... ugh...
 
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uconnever said:
For me it would be Jeff walz, then Doug bruno and if not them it gets tricky. Lots of young good coaches I've never heard of but I'm also talking to Kara Lawson.
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Duke should hire a young, dynamic coach who has been successful and could build their program. A perfect fit would be Jen Rizzotti if she was willing to move from Hartford. Shea Ralph at UConn and Niele Ivey at Notre Dame are assistant coaches who are ready to run a top program. Personally, I would pick Shea Ralph who has 10 years of experience and is driven to be successful and knows the North Carolina area. Her teams are going to search for perfection much as they do at UConn.
 
At a million a year, her buyout is very expensive. I think Duke is waiting a few years to reduce the $ liability.
They may try the relationship clause in her contract, but it may result in litigation. Feel sorry for the players.
 
CamrnCrz1974 said:
Duke still had eight McDonald's All-Americans with McCallie arrived in Durham (Wanisha Smith, Chante Black, Abby Waner, Carrem Gay, Joy Cheek, Bridgette Mitchell, Krystal Thomas, Jasmine Thomas). Eight.



...in the second round.



Even with both Gray and Jones, Duke was getting walloped by UConn.

What you can blame Coach P for is the complete lack of adjustments. In two games against Notre Dame before the Irish joined the ACC, Duke had halftime leads. In one game, Duke was up 36-20 before losing 56-54 (on a neutral court). In the NCAA Tournament game, Duke was up by six at the half, before losing the second half by 17 points.

McCallie's biggest weakness is her failure to make in-game adjustments. Once good teams adapt to her coaching style and understand the schemes she is using, she is utterly helpless to make the necessary moves and counter-moves to lead Duke to victory.




Agree with this completely. McCallie's record against Top 5 opponents in her eight seasons at Duke is abysmal, especially when Duke has been ranked in the Top 5/Top 10 for most of those games. She is winning less than 22 percent of those games.
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So CAM, my question is, do you think she should be replaced? Many people were glad to see GG leave, saying she was someone who could not take Duke to the next level (deer in the headlights in big games, etc.) If she is replaced, who would you like to see get the job? Duke is a top tier program and school. Suggesting someone like Courtney Banghart seems too dowwnscale IMO (no knock on her, just not proven at the top level). Duke is a premier school with the cache to attract top level talent. Coach P did manage to take a team to the FF.
 
watanabe said:
At a million a year, her buyout is very expensive. I think Duke is waiting a few years to reduce the $ liability.
They may try the relationship clause in her contract, but it may result in litigation. Feel sorry for the players.
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Duke should offer JPM 70% of her contract to resign, or else ???? - Duke can afford $2.1 million dollars

A new coach can get the program back on track quickly .
 
ScarlettB said:
Many people were glad to see GG leave, saying she was someone who could not take Duke to the next level (deer in the headlights in big games, etc.)
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Duke fans were NOT happy to see Gail leave.

The deer in headlights is simply not true (and is based on the 2003 UConn game). Gail went 2-2 against Geno, wining her two games in the State of Connecticut. She went 5-4 against Summitt, including 3-0 against the Hornbuckle/Anosik/Parker/Fuller recruiting class.
 
Jonathan Husky said:
Duke should hire a young, dynamic coach who has been successful and could build their program. A perfect fit would be Jen Rizzotti if she was willing to move from Hartford. Shea Ralph at UConn and Niele Ivey at Notre Dame are assistant coaches who are ready to run a top program. Personally, I would pick Shea Ralph who has 10 years of experience and is driven to be successful and knows the North Carolina area. Her teams are going to search for perfection much as they do at UConn.
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I don't see Jen Rizzotti leaving Hartford - I think she could be successful, but it appears to me that she's made the choice to stay at the level she's at and not take on the larger burdens at a higher pressure situation. I would look at some of the really talented young coaches out there (e.g. Raegan Pebley, Katie Abrahamson-Henderson, etc.).
 
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ericsandiego said:
The thing I don't get is that the AD and administration was not pleased Gail did not win the NC (she'd still be there if they'd beaten Maryland in the NC game), and pretty much treated her like crap till she left (or did they ask her to resign). Point is, she did more with less than Joanne McCallie. And WTF is the reason behind her being called "Joanne P McCallie"? and she goes by the initials of JPM... ugh...
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Some interesting parallels with Thibault getting sacked from the Sun.
 
GG coached out her contract as I remember and was offered a lot of money to coach at TX. As I recall Duke was given a chance to match by GG and they didn't.

Was never a big fan of hers, but compared to JPM and her '#14 really lit us up' press conferences and the 'bus' issue, she was a great coach.
 
Fightin Choke said:
I think she was told her scholarship would be honored, but she was told she would never play. Thus she de-committed and wound up at Vanderbilt and then UC Santa Barbara. More on the Duke drama here: LINK.
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Thanks. Just looked her up to see how she was faring at UCSB. Whoa. What the heck has happened at that school under Mitchell? One win all season? Wow.
 
loneycafe said:
Thanks. Just looked her up to see how she was faring at UCSB. Whoa. What the heck has happened at that school under Mitchell? One win all season? Wow.
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Are you kidding? I'm amazed that in a Santa Barbara paradise they can even get kids into the gym to practice. "Um, coach can we cut this practice short? There's some nice waves out there and were partying on the beach tonight."

But yeah, saw the stats on Watkins and #341 of 349 UCSB, and it's a far cry from the team that gave UConn such a scare in the 2004 Sweet 16.
 
DobbsRover2 said:
Are you kidding? I'm amazed that in a Santa Barbara paradise they can even get kids into the gym to practice. "Um, coach can we cut this practice short? There's some nice waves out there and were partying on the beach tonight."

But yeah, saw the stats on Watkins and #341 of 349 UCSB, and it's a far cry from the team that gave UConn such a scare in the 2004 Sweet 16.
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We saw them play at AZ during OOC and, yikes. Spoke briefly to Carlene who commented regarding the game we had watched that they just "couldn't shoot". That appears to have plagued them a lot. Speculation at one point on the RU board centered around possible difficulties recruiting talent that could execute schemes. No real idea. Strong speculation that a coaching change is imminent.

Tomorrow is Senior Day here at AZ. While I like her and wish her well, I can only hope we are saying farewell to Coach Butts, who has been very unsuccessful. Beating Stanford this year and ASU once last year (when it was our only PAC win) does not make up the disappointing seasons.
 
The atmosphere on the Duke board has been steered by MoFANclub who also is a
Moderator and has had a 6 year relentless attack on coach P. It is very difficult to
have a basketball post that doesn't turn in to a bitching session. The following is
how another Moderator on the DBR views her conduct which has caused a lot
of posters to leave after 6 years of negativity.


I totally disagree with you. When you want and absolutely lust for finding an issue with something or someone, you are darn sure going to find it. There is nothing Coach P can do as a coach during a game, or say in a presser after a game, that is going to satisfy you. That's the reality and I am sorry if you can't see that. I have no emotional tie here and I am neither "all for" or "all against" Coach P, so its a bit easier for me to be objective. There were some in this thread that were anticipating bad commentary in the presser an hour before it even happened. It is not humanly possible to have that mindset and then objectively view the presser.
 
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If Duke loses today at home, to UNC, is there still a bus to be thrown under? It's a home game and I dont think you need a bus. Can the coach throw the players under the UNC bus?
 
wes33 said:
The atmosphere on the Duke board has been steered by MoFANclub who also is a
Moderator and has had a 6 year relentless attack on coach P. It is very difficult to
have a basketball post that doesn't turn in to a bitching session. The following is
how another Moderator on the DBR views her conduct which has caused a lot
of posters to leave after 6 years of negativity.


I totally disagree with you. When you want and absolutely lust for finding an issue with something or someone, you are darn sure going to find it. There is nothing Coach P can do as a coach during a game, or say in a presser after a game, that is going to satisfy you. That's the reality and I am sorry if you can't see that. I have no emotional tie here and I am neither "all for" or "all against" Coach P, so its a bit easier for me to be objective. There were some in this thread that were anticipating bad commentary in the presser an hour before it even happened. It is not humanly possible to have that mindset and then objectively view the presser.
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As expected MoFANclub did not have any congratulations for the team after the win

and is on Rebkell's & DBR under other names. This makes her other teams best friend

in recruiting .
 
Attention: wes33

First, your post about what MoFan said after the game is not accurate.

Second, your comment about MoFan as a moderator on The Devil's Den is not appropriate for the Boneyard.

Third, if you want to go there, I can share you (and your four different screen names) were banned from The Devil's Den for your repeated violations of the Terms of Service.

Fourth, your attacks on MoFan (on this board and others) and the statements you make about her are about as predictable as a Coach P press conference where numbers are used to identify players.
 
If I'm Duke im giving Coach P one more year. Im one of the most non bias people on this site I just appreciate basketball so please bare with me... depending on matchups and seeding don't be surprised to see Duke in the final four... oh my
 
BlueDevils said:
If I'm Duke im giving Coach P one more year. Im one of the most non bias people on this site I just appreciate basketball so please bare with me... depending on matchups and seeding don't be surprised to see Duke in the final four... oh my
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Yeah...Duke's not going to the Final Four. Sorry.
 
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