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Scrappy3 said:
How do u guys think Andre would do with the Knicks. Keep Julius Randle as a stretch 4 and Andre at 5? Move Robinson in a trade for a wing player
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I don’t think he would be in their plans. I hope he gets sent to a contender during the season. Cavs now have Jarret Allen who is younger and cheaper than Drummond and a really nice player so it would be smart if they could trade him. But somebody has to want him. He was a free agent and Nobody wanted him (for a high salary) so he picked up his option with the cavs this season. That says something about how he’s viewed in the league and also about the way the league is trending.
 
Kenny11 said:
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Ranked 12th here.
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He is better than Al, Jonas, Ayton, Nurkic and Kristaps. Also Kristaps is not a center. Also i’d take him over Gobert, Gobert just has the benefit of being on a good team for the majority of his career.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
He is better than Al, Jonas, Ayton, Nurkic and Kristaps. Also Kristaps is not a center. Also i’d take him over Gobert, Gobert just has the benefit of being on a good team for the majority of his career.
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I think Gobert is better but Drummond is underrated on that list.
 
Kenny11 said:
I think Gobert is better but Drummond is underrated on that list.
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I think it’s close don’t get me wrong. Gobert is untouchable on interior defense, Andre is substantially better on the perimeter though. Also passing Andre is way better, plus rebounding and paint scoring. Gobert is carried by his interior D and just an overall good team, which Andre has never had.
 
Kenny11 said:
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Ranked 12th here.
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yeah. Any opinion list which puts Embiid at #2 and calls him the second coming of Olajuwon, goes in the trash.

He got the easy #1 center listed correctly. The rest is pretty bad. Not even specific to Drummond, but the overall list is, well, no good.
 
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Chin Diesel said:
yeah. Any opinion list which puts Embiid at #2 and calls him the second coming of Olajuwon, goes in the trash.

He got the easy #1 center listed correctly. The rest is pretty bad. Not even specific to Drummond, but the overall list is, well, no good.
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“I’d rather have anyone on this list I ranked better than him instead”

no Spartacus dude that’s why you said they were better!
 
Chin Diesel said:
yeah. Any opinion list which puts Embiid at #2 and calls him the second coming of Olajuwon, goes in the trash.

He got the easy #1 center listed correctly. The rest is pretty bad. Not even specific to Drummond, but the overall list is, well, no good.
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i agree that this list is not very good, but (assuming anthony davis is not a center) who do you have above embiid? he's playing at an mvp level this season.
 
Chin Diesel said:
One of the more diverse offensive games NBA has ever seen? How awful a statement.


Please he was mid range shooter and post up player.

He's Alex English. Real good scorer who never made his teammates better or won anything.
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I was in the Garden when Alex English, playing for South Carolina, lit us up in the NIT.
 
CallMeBruce said:
Alex English is in the Hall of Fame
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Which is my point. Plenty of players like English whose career stats are really nice but winning accomplishments are lacking are in the HoF.

And if you look at English and Anthony their pro career stats are near mirror images.

Out of the top 20 NBA/ABA career rebound leaders only Buck Williams is out of the HoF.

Andre is trending towards easily making HoF regardless of team accomplishment or how the game changes stylistically or strategically.
 
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Chin Diesel said:
Which is my point. Plenty of players like English whose career stats are really nice but winning accomplishments are lacking are in the HoF.

And if you look at English and Anthony their pro career stats are near mirror images.

Out of the top 20 NBA/ABA career rebound leaders only Buck Williams is out of the HoF.

Andre is trending towards easily making HoF regardless of team accomplishment or how the game changes stylistically or strategically.
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Carmelo played in 77 playoff games, Alex English played in 68 playoff games, Drummond has played in 8 playoff games.

Alex English was an 8 time all-star, and 3 time second team all NBA. Melo a 10 time all-star, 2 time second team all NBA, and 4 time third team all NBA. Drummond 2 time all star and 1 time third team all NBA.

Take off the Husky colored glasses
 
Ts5034 said:
Drummond was not bad in 2012. Was he dominant? No, but he still had a solid Fr year and was obviously a first round draft pick.

Aside from that, 2012 will go down as one of the most, if not the most confusing season in Calhoun’s career at UConn. We’ve been over that hundreds of times, but It is still mind boggling how a team with Drummond, Lamb, Napier, Boatright, Daniels, Giffey, AO, and Roscoe, only ended up playing in the 8/9 game of the NCAA Tournament.
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Drummond was underwhelming given the hype, plus he was inconsistent. A brief example: he had 8 games of fewer than 5 points, a quarter of his games. There were enough games where he was a non-factor. He was the #2 recruit in the country and slid to 9th in the draft despite being a physical freak (somehow guys like Thomas Robinson were selected ahead of him). There was no excuse for him not being a Top 5 pick--that's on NBA front offices--but it gives an idea of how he was viewed and performed in his lone season at UConn.

The '12 team had the worst chemistry of any Calhoun-led team. It was devoid of leadership. Looking back there are a lot of great names but it was sophomore year Bazz (an efficient player), Boat was a freshman off the bench, Giffey and Daniels were largely non-factors, and the frontcourt of Drummond-AO-Roscoe was a poor fit. Still, no excuse for that team to go 20-14, though we lost so many close games that year.

vs CIN by 3
@ TEN by 3
vs ND by 2
vs Cuse by 2
@ PC by 2

Shooting 66% from the charity stripe as a team certainly didn't help.
 
Chin Diesel said:
He's Alex English. Real good scorer who never made his teammates better or won anything.
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Admittedly, I didn't watch a lot of Nuggets back in the day but what I saw was team ball, iirc. I think it's harsh to paint English with selfish Carmelo's brush.
 
Waquoit said:
Admittedly, I didn't watch a lot of Nuggets back in the day but what I saw was team ball, iirc. I think it's harsh to paint English with selfish Carmelo's brush.
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If you look at their career numbers, they are nearly identical. I would say in English's prime his job was to be the scorer. There wasn't much of an expectation for him to facilitate the offense or start the offense. I'd have to look at longer clips, but I'd bet a medium black coffee that English dribbled a lot less than Carmelo and had the ball in his possession a lot less than Carmelo.
 
Chin Diesel said:
If you look at their career numbers, they are nearly identical. I would say in English's prime his job was to be the scorer.
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I guess my point was so subtle it only bothered me. Like you said it was his job to score, not facilitate. But when you a hear a guy described as "didn't make anyone else better" (even if technically true), I go right to selfish ballplayer. Like Melo or Iverson. Not a guy like English who was only doing his job..
 
Waquoit said:
I guess my point was so subtle it only bothered me. Like you said it was his job to score, not facilitate. But when you a hear a guy described as "didn't make anyone else better" (even if technically true), I go right to selfish ballplayer. Like Melo or Iverson. Not a guy like English who was only doing his job..
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Fair enough. And I do understand the differences you are referencing.

My bigger point is if you accumulate enough stats you are getting in to the Hall of Fame regardless of whether your teammates better or win championships. And I also understand just because you make the HoF doesn't mean you are equal to everyone else in there. There's still a pecking order in that elite group.
 
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superjohn said:
Carmelo played in 77 playoff games, Alex English played in 68 playoff games, Drummond has played in 8 playoff games.

Alex English was an 8 time all-star, and 3 time second team all NBA. Melo a 10 time all-star, 2 time second team all NBA, and 4 time third team all NBA. Drummond 2 time all star and 1 time third team all NBA.

Take off the Husky colored glasses
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This is why I'm dying for Drummond to move to the Mavs. If he puts up these kinds of counting numbers on a winning team, he will make multiple All-Star teams and All-NBA teams. And given the way the Mavs play -- tons of shooters and lots of offensive rebounds -- Andre is perfect there.
 
it's a blur. they're all seemingly statistically the same, marshmellow, english, adrian dantly, mark aguire, and the other one, and the other one, ... give me paul pierce over the lot of them. we finally gave up the knicks season tix after having to watch the 'where the ball goes to die guy' for too many years, and no reasonable expectation for change after decades of knicks nonsense. the soundtrack to that horror movie? 'yo!' 'streets!' 'represent!' 'our house!' 'shoes!' 'mellow saves the world!' and on and on. ridiculous, pathetic, losing. we'd go to the game at hype central, with evidence based fear that we, when all the talk was done, would be spending a few hours stuck watching the 'where the ball goes to die guy' ad nauseum. when we saw him a half dozen or so times in the denver, at least he moved around the floor a bit. to this day, the nix are still marshmellow culture, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. and then jeremy lin - 'yo!' 'streets!' 'represent!' 'our house!' 'shoes!' 'jeremy saves the world!' lin-sanity! however, mr. anthony the businessperson was a genius, taking that shtick to nyc, and getting max cash for his circus, so there's that.
 
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Kenny11 said:
It’s hard to predict this because this is probably his last year of making 20+ million per year and on a team where he is a main option on offense. And when he finally gets to a good team he may not play enough minutes for the next several years to average the same kind of absurd rebounding numbers. He will still end up high on the list of all time rebounders but that may not be enough for the hall of fame unless he has post-season success somewhere.
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He needs to win some playoff games and win conference if not league Championships. Rebounding is being undervalued. The lack of it, killed to Celtics last season.
 
Jorgensen said:
Here’s an impressive stat in favor of the Andre-to-the-HOF argument.

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This is what some on this message board miss.

He is a historically great rebounder.

Not good. Not very good. Not elite. In the history of the NBA his numbers are phenomenal.


And as a Sixers fan in the 8/'s, thank goodness for Moses and the Fo, Fo, Fo.
 
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Chin Diesel said:
This is what some on this message board miss.

He is a historically great rebounder.

Not good. Not very good. Not elite. In the history of the NBA his numbers are phenomenal.


And as a Sixers fan in the 8/'s, thank goodness for Moses and the Fo, Fo, Fo.
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Very arguably the greatest rebounder of all time. His rebound % is over a full point higher than second place Rodman, who is over 1.5% higher than 3rd place. Crazy.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Very arguably the greatest rebounder of all time. His rebound % is over a full point higher than second place Rodman, who is over 1.5% higher than 3rd place. Crazy.
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Chamberlain and Russell are the two greatest and after that there is a huge drop off before anyone else enters the conversation.
 
His rebounding dominance will have him in the HOF discussion those discounting that aren’t understanding how much better of a rebounder he has been than anyone in the NBA during his career and in the history of the NBA

He needs to keep it going for another 7-8 years however
 
Chin Diesel said:
Chamberlain and Russell are the two greatest and after that there is a huge drop off before anyone else enters the conversation.
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The rebound statistics of the early NBA are probably the most skewed stat in NBA history. Pace and the height discrepancy make it very flawed. Rebound % and Rebound rate are key stats.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
The rebound statistics of the early NBA are probably the most skewed stat in NBA history. Pace and the height discrepancy make it very flawed. Rebound % and Rebound rate are key stats.
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Yeah, but imagine the numbers if Wilt was a one-and-done and he didn't play a year with the Globe Trotters. That would have extended his his career 4 years in his prime.
 
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