Don't patronize me Susan

[freescooter]

When there are about 10 guys on a basketball team, SATs will fluctuate. If anyone is boasting about that, I'd like to see it. Because what comes up must come down.

It's inside baseball? Really? No Boneyarder has taken an intersession course before? These classes are universally regarded as not quite up to snuff. And that's why there are few if any upper-level courses ever offered during intersessions.

I'm just telling you 2 things...perception and what UConn said. They said they have increased admission standards and they said they require more course work. I agree much of it is bogus. But that's inside stuff. to the general public she sounds like she's cracking down on these slugs. What do you want me to say?

 

[WestHartHusk]

So what are you trying to prove, really? I want to see UConn play these teams. You don't. I mean, there are people here who are honestly touting the CYO's over Cincy? Not me. But you're free to prefer those. I don't. Not to mention that Cincy is pretty damn good in football.

That I think it does more harm then good to validate the non-sense that SH came out with yesterday. I appreciate that you are excited to see these teams play, but I don't think that is a majority position for any UConn fans, those that post here or otherwise.

I have tried to be an optimist on this process, but it is clear that UConn has been outmaneuvered and our leadership is over their head and I for one will not give any of them a free pass (or $).

 

[WestHartHusk]

I get all that. I'm not saying she should trash it, just don't say anything at all...

This. Is there anything more annoying than the co-worker who really sucks at their job, but who is constantly talking about how hard they are trying, and how good their work really is? That is essentially what we have in a nutshell with SH and WM, except they get paid a hell of a lot more than the people I am comparing them to.

 

[huskymedic]

This. Is there anything more annoying than the co-worker who really sucks at their job, but who is constantly talking about how hard they are trying, and how good their work really is? That is essentially what we have in a nutshell with SH and WM, except they get paid a hell of a lot more than the people I am comparing them to.

Almost as annoying as the co-worker who thinks they can do everyone else's job better than the person that is currently doing the job (inside and outside the workplace...)

Not pointed at you - just a retort to your response.

 

[WestHartHusk]

Almost as annoying as the co-worker who thinks they can do everyone else's job better than the person that is currently doing the job (inside and outside the workplace...)

Touche.

But, that doesn't change their combined record of accomplishing nothing to date, including not a single positive piece of PR that I can recall. At this point I would put a single, coherent, thoughtful interview in their accomplishment bucket.

 

[ctchamps]

Almost as annoying as the co-worker who thinks they can do everyone else's job better than the person that is currently doing the job (inside and outside the workplace...)

Not pointed at you - just a retort to your response.

I think you pointed at every poster in these forums. Good job!!!!

 

[uconnric]

[quote="I have tried to be an optimist on this process, but it is clear that UConn has been outmaneuvered and our leadership is over their head and I for one will not give any of them a free pass (or $).[/quote]

If you say so. You have absolutely n0 proof that UConn has been outmaneuvered and that our leadership is over our head. If you have proof that it was a leadership issue that lead the ACC to take Louisville over us, other than your blatant speculation of what the process was, tell us all what you have.

 

[WestHartHusk]

[quote="I have tried to be an optimist on this process, but it is clear that UConn has been outmaneuvered and our leadership is over their head and I for one will not give any of them a free pass (or $).

If you say so. You have absolutely n0 proof that UConn has been outmaneuvered and that our leadership is over our head. If you have proof that it was a leadership issue that lead the ACC to take Louisville over us, other than your blatant speculation of what the process was, tell us all what you have.[/quote]

They are in the ACC, we are not despite having an advantage in academics and market, I don't need to know anymore.

Do you also request inside information to prove that the Yankees outmaneuver the Mets, or that the Giants outmaneuver the Jets? The proof is in the results.

 

[upstater]

I'm looking forward to those matchups as well (though that doesn't mean I'm prepared to relax and accept mediocrity), but I'm a season ticket holder for football too. I take it you don't care about football.

Cincy isn't good at football? Temple beat UConn this year. East Carolina is good at football. The Navy game should be good. Memphis and Tulane suck. SMU and Houston will either be very good at football or bad, depending on the year. When was it tht Houston was ranked? 2 years ago? UCF and USF will be UCF and USF at both sports. USF was even better than some of the bball schools during its short stint in the BE. That's not saying much I guess.

 

[Adios]

They are in the ACC, we are not despite having an advantage in academics and market, I don't need to know anymore.

Do you also request inside information to prove that the Yankees outmaneuver the Mets, or that the Giants outmaneuver the Jets? The proof is in the results.

It came down to football. That was it.

 

[upstater]

I'm just telling you 2 things...perception and what UConn said. They said they have increased admission standards and they said they require more course work. I agree much of it is bogus. But that's inside stuff. to the general public she sounds like she's cracking down on these slugs. What do you want me to say?

Sigh. Why are you getting further and further away from the discussion. For PR purposes, she didn't need mandatory intersession. All she needed was to change the standards. But that would have resulted in weakening the athletic department. Admit it.

 

[upstater]

That I think it does more harm then good to validate the non-sense that SH came out with yesterday. I appreciate that you are excited to see these teams play, but I don't think that is a majority position for any UConn fans, those that post here or otherwise.

I have tried to be an optimist on this process, but it is clear that UConn has been outmaneuvered and our leadership is over their head and I for one will not give any of them a free pass (or $).

Other than Georgetown, I'm honestly not going to miss any of the Catholics. I'd rather play the 3 schools I mentioned. Seton Hall or Tulane or rubbing mustard on the belly. Take it or leave it, who cares?

EDIT: LOL, must + ard -- now condiments are banned. Say, what if we rub must + ard on a South Carolina Gamerooster?

 

[WestHartHusk]

Up - from your perspective I agree. My view is from the perspective of opportunities missed which is an admittedly unproductive approach.

 

[RMoore1999]

Cincy isn't good at football? Temple beat UConn this year. East Carolina is good at football. The Navy game should be good. Memphis and Tulane suck. SMU and Houston will either be very good at football or bad, depending on the year. When was it tht Houston was ranked? 2 years ago? UCF and USF will be UCF and USF at both sports. USF was even better than some of the bball schools during its short stint in the BE. That's not saying much I guess.

Cincy has a respectable football program, as do perhaps some of the others. But it's a Mid-Major league, and I won't be satisfied unless and until Connecticut is in a major conference. If we remain in a conference of this nature for any extended period of time, though I will always be a fan, Connecticut athletics will die on the vine...

 

[upstater]

Cincy has a respectable football program, as do perhaps some of the others. But it's a Mid-Major league, and I won't be satisfied unless and until Connecticut is in a major conference. If we remain in a conference of this nature for any extended period of time, though I will always be a fan, Connecticut athletics will die on the vine...

No one disagrees with you. Herbst is simply dealing with reality here. UConn fans simply must show up to UCF v. UConn at the Rent, and frankly, UConn fans have shown up at MAC teams at the Rent. Just keep doing what we're doing. I know PP is a problem. I can't imagine what's going through their heads other than the fact you don't want to be known as a program that gives coaches only 2 years to prove themselves. Clearly, he's not going to work out. Consider though that Jurich, who is treated as a God around here, gave Krapthorpe 4 years.

 

[RuffRuff]

The problem with the Memphis' of the world, despite the rankings, is that they've never really been part of anything. There isn't a whole lot of substance behind them, they kind of feel like new money. Artificial southern money(Calipari charged). Like it can go as fast as it's come. There is no history, no being part of something bigger(rivalries, conferences, traditions), no sporting gravitas. It's a commuter school. They had it when they had Calipari, but that was all Calipari and his polarizing way. If there is one thing I've gained from all this BS, its an appreciation for sports rivalry/history. It's such a big part of sports. Great team sports is made up two ways:

1) A game that has juice, ie a tourney game, a game that has(or gives the feeling of) post season ramifications/significance, a game that has some sort of championship impact
2) A game of rivals, two fan bases that hate each other or fan bases that kill to beat each other. A LOT of that is based on geography.


Everything else is pretty much blah. A mid season MLB game of two random teams, booo. But give me the Sox/Yanks anytime. Even early season NFL can even be a little lackluster until things start playing out and the season develops identity.

We are never going to develop rivalries with anyone in the NBE. We aren't going to build a rivalry with an Ohio based school or a Florida based school. I'm with you on Cinci - I know Oscar Robertson played there once and Huggy bear ran a nice thug like program there once. It's hard to even get too pumped about Cuse right now knowing that there will be no continuity(until further notice) as two teams being part of something bigger moving forward together.

For that reason alone, I don't care if it's just a blown up ACC. Let's hope we are there soon. It might not be big time football(let's face it, Uconn will never be big time football), but we get some of our history/rivalries back. We'll get Pitt, Cuse, Ville and maybe even Duke in hoops. Maybe we even get BC, who we would naturally hate - would love it. That's good sports. I'll head up to the airport to see that game. If we get that back after all this crap, that will feel even better.

NBE feels like a league whose had it's balls chopped - like it can still ram it's schlong a bunch, but will shoot blanks.

 

[upstater]

The problem with the Memphis' of the world, despite the rankings, is that they've never really been part of anything. There isn't a whole lot of substance behind them, they kind of feel like new money. Artificial southern money(Calipari charged). Like it can go as fast as it's come. There is no history, no being part of something bigger(rivalries, conferences, traditions), no sporting gravitas. It's a commuter school. They had it when they had Calipari, but that was all Calipari and his polarizing way. If there is one thing I've gained from all this BS, its an appreciation for sports rivalry/history. It's such a big part of sports. Great team sports is made up two ways:

1) A game that has juice, ie a tourney game, a game that has(or gives the feeling of) post season ramifications/significance, a game that has some sort of championship impact
2) A game of rivals, two fan bases that hate each other or fan bases that kill to beat each other. A LOT of that is based on geography.


Everything else is pretty much blah. A mid season MLB game of two random teams, booo. But give me the Sox/Yanks anytime. Even early season NFL can even be a little lackluster until things start playing out and the season develops identity.

We are never going to develop rivalries with anyone in the NBE. We aren't going to build a rivalry with an Ohio based school or a Florida based school. I'm with you on Cinci - I know Oscar Robertson played there once and Huggy bear ran a nice thug like program there once. It's hard to even get too pumped about Cuse right now knowing that there will be no continuity(until further notice) as two teams being part of something bigger moving forward together.

For that reason alone, I don't care if it's just a blown up ACC. Let's hope we are there soon. It might not be big time football(let's face it, Uconn will never be big time football), but we get some of our history/rivalries back. We'll get Pitt, Cuse, Ville and maybe even Duke in hoops. Maybe we even get BC, who we would naturally hate - would love it. That's good sports. I'll head up to the airport to see that game. If we get that back after all this crap, that will feel even better.

NBE feels like a league whose had it's balls chopped - like it can still ram it's schlong a bunch, but will shoot blanks.

Memphis gets a lot of fans at their games. There's a lot more juice there than at a St. John's game for instance.

 

[Alum86]

For hoop yes. They were relevant recently. For FB ? Not so much. Not a lotta interest there

 

[upstater]

For hoop yes. They were relevant recently. For FB ? Not so much. Not a lotta interest there

Nor for St.John's football. So yes, I was comparing the two in bball.

 

[Alum86]

Agree. St, John's cannot draw fleas for hoop. Carneseca Arena a gloified HS arena

 

[TRest]

No one disagrees with you. Herbst is simply dealing with reality here. UConn fans simply must show up to UCF v. UConn at the Rent, and frankly, UConn fans have shown up at MAC teams at the Rent. Just keep doing what we're doing. I know PP is a problem. I can't imagine what's going through their heads other than the fact you don't want to be known as a program that gives coaches only 2 years to prove themselves. Clearly, he's not going to work out. Consider though that Jurich, who is treated as a God around here, gave Krapthorpe 4 years.

Jurich got it done on the ultimate matters. Even Krapthorpe was considered a great hire at the time.

 

[RMoore1999]

No one disagrees with you. Herbst is simply dealing with reality here. UConn fans simply must show up to UCF v. UConn at the Rent, and frankly, UConn fans have shown up at MAC teams at the Rent. Just keep doing what we're doing. I know PP is a problem. I can't imagine what's going through their heads other than the fact you don't want to be known as a program that gives coaches only 2 years to prove themselves. Clearly, he's not going to work out. Consider though that Jurich, who is treated as a God around here, gave Krapthorpe 4 years.

Other than a handful of radio-only games, I've watched every men's hoops game since 1989 (and many before that), attended every game contested at the Rent and spent many pennies traveling across the Nation to watch Connecticut.

I'm not going anywhere irrespective of what league we're in. I'm sure many others who contribute to this Board feel the same way.

Its everyone else, not to mention the next generation of would be Connecticut fans, that I worry about....

 

[upstater]

Other than a handful of radio-only games, I've watched every men's hoops game since 1989 (and many before that), attended every game contested at the Rent and spent many pennies traveling across the Nation to watch Connecticut.

I'm not going anywhere irrespective of what league we're in. I'm sure many others who contribute to this Board feel the same way.

Its everyone else, not to mention the next generation of would be Connecticut fans, that I worry about....

I'm only one decade ahead of you, and I assure you, when UConn was sucking under Dom Perno, there were a lot of people in the stands paying to get in. The only that's changed is ticket prices, but that too can be dealt with,

 

[FDNY99]

Nor for St.John's football. So yes, I was comparing the two in bball.

Upstater...St Johns shut down football years ago.

 

[FDNY99]

Other than Georgetown, I'm honestly not going to miss any of the Catholics. I'd rather play the 3 schools I mentioned. Seton Hall or Tulane or rubbing mus on the belly. Take it or leave it, who cares?

EDIT: LOL, must + ard -- now condiments are banned. Say, what if we rub must + ard on a South Carolina Gamerooster?

TOTALLY agree with you here but I add Nova to Gtown

 

[zls44]

I'm only one decade ahead of you, and I assure you, when UConn was sucking under Dom Perno, there were a lot of people in the stands paying to get in.

When they were playing Big East teams. Who does that in the NBE besides Memphis and MAYBE Temple? Nobody. That's the problem. That's why they will be lucky to draw 8,000 to home games. Lucky.

I'm not happy about that fact. But it is a fact. Nobody's gonna care other than us.

 

[upstater]

When they were playing Big East teams. Who does that in the NBE besides Memphis and MAYBE Temple? Nobody. That's the problem. That's why they will be lucky to draw 8,000 to home games. Lucky.

Cincy.
But what you forget about Perno's teams is they lost. Again and again and again. And they were embarrassing at times. Earl Kelley!!! And I assure you more than 8,000 fans showed up at those games.

It's amazing what winning can do.

To quote Susan Herbst, "Just win, baby!"

 

[zls44]

Cincy.
But what you forget about Perno's teams is they lost. Again and again and again. And they were embarrassing at times. Earl Kelley!!! And I assure you more than 8,000 fans showed up at those games.

It's amazing what winning can do.

To quote Susan Herbst, "Just win, baby!"

They lost playing a ton of top 10 teams with great histories. There was the idea, the hope, the hope of seeing something special, seeing an upset.

What's special about playing Tulane? About playing Houston? Central Florida?

Who cares?

And heaven help you if you lose.

 

[upstater]

They lost playing a ton of top 10 teams with great histories. There was the idea, the hope, the hope of seeing something special, seeing an upset.

What's special about playing Tulane? About playing Houston? Central Florida?

Who cares?

And heaven help you if you lose.

Winning is special. Just wait. And you forget that back then, these teams were not well regarded nationally. Seton Hall, Providence, Pittsburgh, Villanova, BC. All these teams were regional teams. These teams elevated themselves in the early 80s the same way UConn did. Only St. John's, G' Town and Syracuse had the nation's attention. The other teams were not turning heads.

 

[zls44]

Winning is special. Just wait. And you forget that back then, these teams were not well regarded nationally. Seton Hall, Providence, Pittsburgh, Villanova, BC. All these teams were regional teams. These teams elevated themselves in the early 80s the same way UConn did. Only St. John's, G' Town and Syracuse had the nation's attention. The other teams were not turning heads.

They also had a unique national TV deal. It was the perfect intersection of time and opportunity when the Big East and ESPN did that deal.

What now? What's unique now? There's a million channels, it's just hard to sell UConn-SMU when you have Syracuse-UNC or even Syracuse-Wake on another channel.

It's typical of how everything is getting swallowed up now. Remember when the MAAC had a couple of NCAA-caliber teams every year? The MAC? The CAA? The Sun Belt? All of them are way down, talent getting swallowed up by the major conferences, who have cash to splash on facilities and high-profile TV games.

UConn has a decrepit municipal arena 30 miles from campus. And an arena on campus where the roof is LITERALLY FALLING APART.

Ten years of laziness and a lack of vision are the greatest problem. UConn's issues are almost entirely self-made.