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metsfan2323 said:
Holy cow, what a stupid post. 418 yards and three TD's from a true freshman and you run to your computer after the game to post that he has "no football aptitude"

Look in the mirror you won't find any football aptitude there either.

Classic post from the guy who always and forever wants the coach to put the back-up in.
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Don't be fooled by the numbers. He knows how to throw one kind of pass. A low line drive. Read my post if you have a problem with any of my observations tell me which one is wrong.

I want the coach to play the players who produce. If a player is not producing, then let's see if there is anyone on the team who can. That can only be done by seeing them in an actual game. That is how most winning coaches in college football evaluate performance. Your system of never seeing understudies not only results in constant losing, it has the side effect of never producing depth. It's a double loser.
 
Palatine said:
Don't be fooled by the numbers. He knows how to throw one kind of pass. A low line drive. Read my post if you have a problem with any of my observations tell me which one is wrong.

I want the coach to play the players who produce. If a player is not producing, then let's see if there is anyone on the team who can. That can only be done by seeing them in an actual game. That is how most winning coaches in college football evaluate performance. Your system of never seeing understudies not only results in constant losing, it has the side effect of never producing depth. It's a double loser.
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You were doing good until your second and third sentences.

Multiple passes he threw yesterday had touch and loft on them including his first pass of the day.

It's fair to criticize his unwillingness to throw the ball away to avoid sacks. It's fair to say his side arm slinging will limit his production against better teams.

He has improved significantly since September with touch passes.
 
He throws a better ball as a Freshman than Frazer did as a senior and he is in fact better than Boyle was as a Freshman.

Some posters are letting their feelings toward the coach and the last nine year of frustration cloud their judgement of a player who has been on campus 6 months. Casey had been on campus 20 months when he finally broke through.

JZ is going to be a good one and we are lucky to have him.
 
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Chin Diesel said:
You were doing good until your second and third sentences.

Multiple passes he threw yesterday had touch and loft on them including his first pass of the day.

It's fair to criticize his unwillingness to throw the ball away to avoid sacks. It's fair to say his side arm slinging will limit his production against better teams.

He has improved significantly since September with touch passes.
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his best past of the day was the touch pass to Mensah as an outlet on that pseudo wheel route. It was a perfect touch pass he dropped in the bucket. Its not his arm that concerns me. Its his feet. Move him off the X and he is a complete mess.
 
noeynox said:
I sometimes wonder if you smoke crack. WTH does that have to do with Z ?
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Just thought I'd post that fact somewhere rather than create a new thread. Sorry if it gave you crack flashbacks.
 
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Just playing both sides here. The kid shows some good, bad and ugly while playing the position. From where i stand SK looks like he has a nice awareness and throws a nice ball. Bottom line, this team needs an OC and some big boys to clog the middle, linebackers with speed and corners who can cover. in short, we need a lot but I remain hopeful!
 
Chin Diesel said:
You were doing good until your second and third sentences.

Multiple passes he threw yesterday had touch and loft on them including his first pass of the day.

It's fair to criticize his unwillingness to throw the ball away to avoid sacks. It's fair to say his side arm slinging will limit his production against better teams.

He has improved significantly since September with touch passes.
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yes, this... the one he floated to Mensah was nice, thrown right at me...
 
JZ has lots of work to do but being a freshman, the highs are great and the lows are abysmal. RE said after game that SK just came back to practice this week and RE told him he was getting in the 1st half. SK was rusty and it showed. Next week he should see more time.
 
ZooCougar said:
this is irrelevant. He throws sidearm and he isn’t consistent. His ceiling is very low at the moment.
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I really don't believe these posts. He threw for over 400 yards. Yes he made too many mistakes, presumably because he's a true frosh who never played American rules football until this year. One can be taught to eliminate mistakes. It's much harder to get a kid without talent to throw for 400 yards in a game.

I understand that we just finished three god awful years under Edsall. Say that to your heart's content -- I just did. But when that turns into bashing everyone and everything no matter what the board becomes unreadable.
 
businesslawyer said:
I really don't believe these posts. He threw for over 400 yards. Yes he made too many mistakes, presumably because he's a true frosh who never played American rules football until this year. One can be taught to eliminate mistakes. It's much harder to get a kid without talent to throw for 400 yards in a game.

I understand that we just finished three god awful years under Edsall. Say that to your heart's content -- I just did. But when that turns into bashing everyone and everything no matter what the board becomes unreadable.
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From what expert coaches are saying, it’s pretty hard to unlearn that trait.
 
metsfan2323 said:
Holy cow, what a stupid post. 418 yards and three TD's from a true freshman and you run to your computer after the game to post that he has "no football aptitude"

Look in the mirror you won't find any football aptitude there either.

Classic post from the guy who always and forever wants the coach to put the back-up in.
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Read this and learn to understand it. There is a difference between games and practice. Games are more important and only games can show you what a player is.

We see Bouknight every day in practice, but you can’t anticipate, when the lights would come on, the level he was going to perform at,” UConn coach Dan Hurley said. “What separates good from great or really good from special is what happens when the lights come on and you throw them out there with those refs and those fans.
 
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IMO, one MAJOR issue we have with our QB situation... coaching. Again, the successful programs have coaches that actually have experienced coaches coaching a position they've coached for awhile. That helps, a lot more than we want to come to the realization. We get guys learning on the job... Which means an additional learning curve for us.. Which means more growing pains for us.. Just sayin.
 
ZooCougar said:
From what expert coaches are saying, it’s pretty hard to unlearn that trait.
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What trait? His motion? His motion was good enough to throw for over 400 yards. If he learns the game, and learns when to throw the ball away (like when you're second and goal from the 6), he'll be a good QB by the time he's done.
 
businesslawyer said:
What trait? His motion? His motion was good enough to throw for over 400 yards. If he learns the game, and learns when to throw the ball away (like when you're second and goal from the 6), he'll be a good QB by the time he's done.
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It’s nice to throw over 400 yards but that’s not the only benchmark to use. There is a difference when a qb throws a two yard pass and the receiver runs for 48 yards as opposed to a qb who throws a 48 yard pass and the receiver runs for two yards. They both go in the book as a 50 yard pass. The completion percentage and TD to INT ratio are other guidelines to use. JZ has some tools, but as mentioned in a previous post, there is no coaching to help him develop. This team has had three QB coaches in three years and Lashlee was the most experienced of them all and none of our qb’s were coached by him. Hopefully, they can find someone that can actually develop our qb’s to the next level or nothing will change
 
The guy is a true freshman QB who doesn't lock in on only one target. That in itself is something we haven't seen. Biggest play of the game and the coaching staff calls a play where the main receivers run into each other. I'm not ready to fault the QB.
 
He seems very reluctant to run. There were times this year he had wide open space with just his receiver and the db in front of him yards downfield only to stop short of the LOS and throw across his body to the opposite side of the field. I had wondered if this contributed to the fumble on the Qb sneak.
 
Duncan Idaho said:
He seems very reluctant to run. There were times this year he had wide open space with just his receiver and the db in front of him yards downfield only to stop short of the LOS and throw across his body to the opposite side of the field. I had wondered if this contributed to the fumble on the Qb sneak.
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I think the fumble happened because he never takes the snap from under center.
 
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For those who think JZ has not been coached - RE talked about working with him on lofting a ball. had him throw into trash cans. The floater to Mensah and the loft to Ross for 94 were the fruits of that labor.
 
businesslawyer said:
What trait? His motion? His motion was good enough to throw for over 400 yards. If he learns the game, and learns when to throw the ball away (like when you're second and goal from the 6), he'll be a good QB by the time he's done.
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Maybe good. But probably not great. Sidearm QBs will almost always be erratic.
 
If you watch the last play against ECU- Mensah was the correct read- he was wide open on the sideline. JZ went to the wrong guy. That is the stuff he has to correct.
 
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More important than arm strength or even relative accuracy, is the ability to process the field in a few blinks. Know where the threat is coming from and see who is open and who will be covered.
 
Waquoit said:
The guy is a true freshman QB who doesn't lock in on only one target. That in itself is something we haven't seen. Biggest play of the game and the coaching staff calls a play where the main receivers run into each other. I'm not ready to fault the QB.
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The thought that the play was designed so that two main receivers run into each other is certifiably insane. Yes, assume both players were where they were supposed to be.
 
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businesslawyer said:
The thought that the play was designed so that two main receivers run into each other is certifiably insane. Yes, assume both players were where they were supposed to be.
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My first dislike! Of course, I didn't think the play was designed to have two targets run in to each other. Yet there they were. My point was that it would be unfair to hang that pick on the QB. The coaches still suck though, your water carrying notwithstanding.
 
Palatine said:
JZ is not a very good QB. His mechanics are terrible. He is inaccurate. Has no situational awareness or even basic football aptitute. He panics in tough situations. He has trouble reading defenses. He has ball security issues.

He has been a good kid and has represented the university well. But his performance under pressure has been extremely poor. We can't win with him.
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Not positive about that. He is a true freshman from Canada and it’s an unbelievable difference in every way. He has made some amazing throws this year that many division one QB could not make. The thing to me that stands out is when he releases the ball how quickly it gets to the receivers. He has a long way to go but there is something to work with here.
 
I don’t understand the SK situation. Seems nuts not giving him reps. Better natural mechanics, more settled, more upside. Classic Randy (not his guy) bug up his rear end.
 
BlueDogs said:
I don’t understand the SK situation. Seems nuts not giving him reps. Better natural mechanics, more settled, more upside. Classic Randy (not his guy) bug up his rear end.
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He did the same thing to SK last year. RE did not give him any reps until the last game. and those we’re mostly handoffs too.
 
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