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I happen to think Marshall is absolutely right. UConn didn't get screwed in CR. Its place got revealed. There is no network coming to bail them out and spearhead their entry to power 5. UConn just rehired a football coach who was miserable at his last job and prior to that had a mediocre run at a UConn (W/out looking it up again, I'd say a handful of games over .500) in a a very shallow conference. Uconn just signed back up for mediocrity. Maybe Marshall is wrong but it sure seems to me that he is right. But, them again, CR is a bouncing ball with a with a path that is not easy to predict.
 
All of the BE fantasies are based on the assumption the the NBE is salivating to take us back.
I have not heard that. Why do you all think so?
Not the usual we would pack the Garden stuff, but interest from the new BE
 
Keeping it short and sweet, Im a drive away from Pats, Giants and Jets , college football low on my totem pole with family priority. We are constantly ragged on the AAC boards by even ECU fans about crappy attendance at football games but to be honest in their area there isnt much else to do.AAC football may have some decent home attendance at some school but away they dont draw flies.
 
There's something known as deflection. He has a national audience. Nothing required Donnie to talk about UConn's conference affiliation malaise.
Turn it to a different focus.

Simar to what AD David Benedict said with football coach. He wanted a coach who focused on what UConn represents and can achieve, not someone focusing on what UConn doesn't have to offer.
 
August_West said:
At what point do we give up?
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As long as it takes. While I respect the quality of the basketball in the Big East - it's not nearly the savior some think it is.
 
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I respect Donny Marshall and never doubt his loyalty to UConn but he is living in a different time. His comments reflect a frustration that is not easily remedied.

The Big East that UConn was a part of is over. There is no going back. As UConn fans we may hate our conference situation and our lack of traditional rivalries but we can't recreate what we once had. Big money and football destroyed the Big East. For now the P5 is happy to monopolize the football money but eventually they will turn their attention to the basketball money. When that happens...goodbye new Big East.

By the next contract negotiations the AAC will likely be making more money than the new Big East. I miss the old Big East but UConn is not a peer program to Villanova, Georgetown and Providence. Sure I'd love to play them but we are a lot more similar to WVU, Rutgers and Syracuse. UConn is a P5 caliber university, it needs to stay on that path.

The GOR of several major P5 conferences expire around 2024 which will likely trigger a new wave of conference realignment. Till then UConn needs to survive, improve its football program and position itself for P5 inclusion. The constant complaining and public begging to go back to basketball only conference comprised of small private catholic schools does not help that positioning.

If after 2025 UConn is still outside the P5 then perhaps it is time to consider splitting our programs but not until then.
 
dwalks93 said:
The GOR of several major P5 conferences expire around 2024 which will likely trigger a new wave of conference realignment. Till then UConn needs to survive, improve its football program and position itself for P5 inclusion. The constant complaining and public begging to go back to basketball only conference comprised of small private catholic schools does not help that positioning.

If after 2025 UConn is still outside the P5 then perhaps it is time to consider splitting our programs but not until then.
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That is such a long time to wait
 
dwalks93 said:
I respect Donny Marshall and never doubt his loyalty to UConn but he is living in a different time. His comments reflect a frustration that is not easily remedied.

The Big East that UConn was a part of is over. There is no going back. As UConn fans we may hate our conference situation and our lack of traditional rivalries but we can't recreate what we once had. Big money and football destroyed the Big East. For now the P5 is happy to monopolize the football money but eventually they will turn their attention to the basketball money. When that happens...goodbye new Big East.

By the next contract negotiations the AAC will likely be making more money than the new Big East. I miss the old Big East but UConn is not a peer program to Villanova, Georgetown and Providence. Sure I'd love to play them but we are a lot more similar to WVU, Rutgers and Syracuse. UConn is a P5 caliber university, it needs to stay on that path.

The GOR of several major P5 conferences expire around 2024 which will likely trigger a new wave of conference realignment. Till then UConn needs to survive, improve its football program and position itself for P5 inclusion. The constant complaining and public begging to go back to basketball only conference comprised of small private catholic schools does not help that positioning.

If after 2025 UConn is still outside the P5 then perhaps it is time to consider splitting our programs but not until then.
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Yes, the Big East that we knew is dead and buried. There's no Big East to even go back to. The collection calling itself Big East now is an imposter, a pretender, a charlatan.
 
Good ole' Donny Marshall exercising his first amendment right. Kudos.
 
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Excalibur said:
Moving would just slow the bleeding. It would not stop it. We're talking about extending the inevitable.
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This is 100 percent true.
But the flip side is that in 15 years it's just as possible our athletic department is in the toilet for good due to never getting the lifeline than it is that D1 football saved us. In which case as a hoops fan I would've signed up for the slower bleeding and had more respectable hoops program against other northeast schools.

When we missed the ACC nobody and I mean nobody here thought we would be looking at 2025. Worst case that was being spouted here was 2017. If you said 2025 people would've killed themselves. And the sad thing is that when GORs come up in 2025, it guarantees us nothing. And the most natural fit for us doesn't come up until 20 thirty something.

It's the ultimate self inflicted slow suicide string along


Our big east separation dollars run dry soon.


This was a very big gamble and in my opinion in hindsight we are going to wish we Went to the nbe from the get go instead of these football caviar dreams ( which doesn't work in northeast anyway, but that's a different topic) torpedoing the hoops program
 
whaler11 said:
Being a fan of a school where people respond with this is painful in its own way.
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I mean, would you prefer that the WBB program be mediocre as well?

At least we have something to hang our hats on at the moment. They draw more eyeballs than a lot of men's programs.

I understand what you're feeling though.
 
I think he said what a lot of people think. Its unfortunate that UConn didn't take football seriously until 20 years ago. Lew Perkins got it but it was too late and some turd programs like Rutgers are in the Big 10 now.
 
Tenspro2002 said:
I mean, would you prefer that the WBB program be mediocre as well?

At least we have something to hang our hats on at the moment. They draw more eyeballs than a lot of men's programs.

I understand what you're feeling though.
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I'm not sure that you do based on your post :).
 
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whaler11 said:
I'm not sure that you do based on your post :).
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I said I understand it. I didn't say anything about being empathetic. :)

I mean, I get it. For fans of the men's sports, both of which have been on the spectrum of mediocre to embarrassing for much of the last 3 years (or 6 in the case of football), it's embarrassing to hear people proclaim "women's sports!", since it suggests a certain tone-deafness about what actually moves the needle in the national college sports landscape.

That said, there has never been a better time to be a UConn WBB fan (despite there having never been a worse time, potentially, over the last few decades, to be a UConn MBB or FB fan).
 
The only thing we can do is to continue onward in the AAC. Invest in our football and men's basketball programs and in the event there is another change in the CR landscape, hopefully we can get a life boat in a fractured Big 12 or fractured ACC. I think that is the best case scenario at this point.

I hate to call to cut sports, but that seems inevitable. It's very odd that UConn seems content to continue to pay the subsidy that it does right now, but I have to imagine that will be curtailed in the future.

If it comes to 2025 and the P5 is only stronger and says they are having their own tournament, solely with the P5 and say Big East and maybe the A10, then that's the time when you have to consider dropping football.

Make no mistake, there is no Independent, MAC, or FCS option. It's AAC, P5 or Big East and no football.
 
Not sure people realize how much UConn is subsidizing it's athletic program in this effort to make us P-5 worthy.
It is not economically viable to continue this for a prolonged time. Not sure how long they feel they have before they have to stop. I imagine it affects student costs.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
The only thing we can do is to continue onward in the AAC. Invest in our football and men's basketball programs and in the event there is another change in the CR landscape, hopefully we can get a life boat in a fractured Big 12 or fractured ACC. I think that is the best case scenario at this point.

I hate to call to cut sports, but that seems inevitable. It's very odd that UConn seems content to continue to pay the subsidy that it does right now, but I have to imagine that will be curtailed in the future.

If it comes to 2025 and the P5 is only stronger and says they are having their own tournament, solely with the P5 and say Big East and maybe the A10, then that's the time when you have to consider dropping football.

Make no mistake, there is no Independent, MAC, or FCS option. It's AAC, P5 or Big East and no football.
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I agree with you, but why wouldn't there be a FCS option?
 
Jaker said:
We are a basketball school. We play for NC's in basketball. WE WILL NEVER PLAY FOR AN NC IN FOOTBALL. Football ball should be second fiddle to everything hoops related.
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funny, up until about 20 years ago, same could be said for basketball.
 
John said:
Yes, the Big East that we knew is dead and buried. There's no Big East to even go back to. The collection calling itself Big East now is an imposter, a pretender, a charlatan.
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Ha ha, charade you are.
 
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August_West said:
This is 100 percent true.
But the flip side is that in 15 years it's just as possible our athletic department is in the toilet for good due to never getting the lifeline than it is that D1 football saved us. In which case as a hoops fan I would've signed up for the slower bleeding and had more respectable hoops program against other northeast schools.

When we missed the ACC nobody and I mean nobody here thought we would be looking at 2025. Worst case that was being spouted here was 2017. If you said 2025 people would've killed themselves. And the sad thing is that when GORs come up in 2025, it guarantees us nothing. And the most natural fit for us doesn't come up until 20 thirty something.

It's the ultimate self inflicted slow suicide string along


Our big east separation dollars run dry soon.


This was a very big gamble and in my opinion in hindsight we are going to wish we Went to the nbe from the get go instead of these football caviar dreams ( which doesn't work in northeast anyway, but that's a different topic) torpedoing the hoops program
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Pretty much my thoughts. Regional rivalries are the draw to college sports for me. When you start commercializing it to the extent that you're playing teams from Texas multiple times per year, it becomes the minor leagues. Even if we end up in the Big 10 or ACC, I have mixed feelings. It would be awesome as a UConn fan, but it still wouldn't feel right.

My point all along has been that if non-P5 schools are going to be ostracized from college sports, then I'm not really interested anyway. And as you put it, if that's inevitable, then I'd much rather bleed out in the Big East than the American. It'll never happen and probably shouldn't happen, but as a fan give me Providence, Nova, Georgetown, Seton Hall, and St. Johns tomorrow and I'll worry about the rest later.

If the P5 end up breaking off, I'll probably just end up throwing myself into hockey east and doing away with basketball and football.
 
champs99and04 said:
Pretty much my thoughts. Regional rivalries are the draw to college sports for me. When you start commercializing it to the extent that you're playing teams from Texas multiple times per year, it becomes the minor leagues. Even if we end up in the Big 10 or ACC, I have mixed feelings. It would be awesome as a UConn fan, but it still wouldn't feel right.

My point all along has been that if non-P5 schools are going to be ostracized from college sports, then I'm not really interested anyway. And as you put it, if that's inevitable, then I'd much rather bleed out in the Big East than the American. It'll never happen and probably shouldn't happen, but as a fan give me Providence, Nova, Georgetown, Seton Hall, and St. Johns tomorrow and I'll worry about the rest later.

If the P5 end up breaking off, I'll probably just end up throwing myself into hockey east and doing away with basketball and football.
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Joining the Big East preemptively, ensures we have no shot at the P5 even if it slows the bleeding by a few years. In my opinion, the worst case is we drop football and then join the Big East for basketball. I still think in a world where the P5 breaks off, there is room for a Big East due to their on court performance and national cache. If we get to the point where we cut the subsidy, drop football and join the Big East for hoops, I still think we would have the ability to be playing on the highest level for championships.
 
TyroneShoo said:
I happen to think Marshall is absolutely right. UConn didn't get screwed in CR. Its place got revealed. There is no network coming to bail them out and spearhead their entry to power 5. UConn just rehired a football coach who was miserable at his last job and prior to that had a mediocre run at a UConn (W/out looking it up again, I'd say a handful of games over .500) in a a very shallow conference. Uconn just signed back up for mediocrity. Maybe Marshall is wrong but it sure seems to me that he is right. But, them again, CR is a bouncing ball with a with a path that is not easy to predict.
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You're missing a whole slew of things. UConn's so-called place has always been about its ability to draw people to men's and women's basketball games, and win national championships in both. That is one factor. The second factor is that UConn is the state's athletic brand since there is no pro team in the state, and when it comes to cable boxes, UConn is in a very wealthy state with the highest tier 3 sports monthly premiums in the entire country. Couple that with undivided access to 3.6 million residents (i.e. there is no other D1 school in the state), and you have a much more lucrative P5 option than those who were somehow grandfathered in but didn't deserve it, and who blackballed us (BC), and of course there's the fact that UConn was twice the ACC's top option to join. So UConn not landing in the P5 is not a matter of an assessment of UConn's "place," as you put it, but rather a collection of circumstances (esp. BC's blackballing). The reasons UConn isn't in the B1G or B12 are obvious. It doesn't fit into the B12, and it doesn't have the credentials (AAU) that the B1G pushes for in most cases. The stumbling block has always been the jealousy of our former rivals.

Second, Edsall had a really successful run at UConn. The school quickly surpassed our local rivals like Pitt and Syracuse while in the Big East. It sent more players to the NFL than most P5 schools, and was the top producer for the BE, even over schools like West Virginia and Louisville. People were actually quite happy here to win the conference, or to go to a southern bowl and beat a good SEC team thoroughly, or to even just go to the Fiesta Bowl. This is a good record, especially when you consider Edsall created this from scratch, AND that it is better than what most of the P5 schools do. No one here should have expectations beyond that.

The biggest reason why the BE isn't so attractive though is that the money isn't better (not when you factor in football playoff money) and the BE schools are buried on Fox where no one ever watches. So far, UConn basketball has been shown on ESPN/CBS 13-16 times a year for the last 4 years, drawing more eyeballs than all the BE schools.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
Joining the Big East preemptively, ensures we have no shot at the P5 even if it slows the bleeding by a few years. In my opinion, the worst case is we drop football and then join the Big East for basketball. I still think in a world where the P5 breaks off, there is room for a Big East due to their on court performance and national cache. If we get to the point where we cut the subsidy, drop football and join the Big East for hoops, I still think we would have the ability to be playing on the highest level for championships.
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How long will that cache last when big schools have TV money of $50m per year (with $200m budgets) and BE schools get $4m a year with $25m budgets?

People are missing the fact that a move to the BE insures permanent big subsidies at UConn, whereas the administration is hoping against hope that in 7 years, the subsidy issue can be put to rest for good.
 
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