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No, it's not. I have two more days in Pittsburgh.
 
Icebear said:
No, it's not. I have two more days in Pittsburgh.
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Did you ever hear the one about "Two Tickets to Pittsburgh" and the guy making mistake ..... ?
Um, never mind.
 
doggydaddy said:
My eyes.
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Ah, good. I was very worried your source might have been the uconn roster data. I won't argue with your eyes. You see what you see. [period]

Changing tact, the WUG roster stats and picture show an opportunity lost. All players listed at or above 6-0 are seen standing. The KML height controversy might have been aided with additional information had she been amongst those standing. Alas, she was seated with the under 6-0 part of the roster :-(

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And he sees in person. KML is 1.07813 DDs tall.
 
jplotinus said:
Ah, good. I was very worried your source might have been the uconn roster data. I won't argue with your eyes. You see what you see. [period]

Changing tact, the WUG roster stats and picture show an opportunity lost. All players listed at or above 6-0 are seen standing. The KML height controversy might have been aided with additional information had she been amongst those standing. Alas, she was seated with the under 6-0 part of the roster :-(

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are you kidding me?

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They had 5 kids under 6' and 7 at or over 6'...someone had to sit in the front row. KML is at 6', the rest are over, hence, she gets the nod.
 
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RadyLady said:
are you kidding me?

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They had 5 kids under 6' and 7 at or over 6'...someone had to sit in the front row. KML is at 6', the rest are over, hence, she gets the nod.
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But of course, RadyLady. I couldn't have said it better myself. You are precisely correct. Someone amongst the 6' up crowd had to sit in order to achieve a certain picture frame symmetry or for some other reason.

The point is and only is that an opportunity to see KML standing amongst that particular group was lost as a result.

That, and only that.

You're having fun, right? :-)
 
jplotinus said:
But of course, RadyLady. I couldn't have said it better myself. You are precisely correct. Someone amongst the 6' up crowd had to sit in order to achieve a certain picture frame symmetry or for some other reason.

The point is and only is that an opportunity to see KML standing amongst that particular group was lost as a result.

That, and only that.

You're having fun, right? :-)
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Then why did you say ALL the players listed 6' or more were seen standing?
 
By the way, the USA roster from last years 3-3 team has Hartley listed at 5'10". I believe that is her true height and clearly pictures this year of Hartley and KML from the WUG team has KML 2 inches taller.

And before you ask, I'm having fun.
 
Too bad!- and here KML is at the "Height" of her career!
I will find my the pics I took with her at Bib East tmt. She may be closer to 6' I think.
 
It occurred to me that all you have to do is substitute strength of schedule in place of height, and I could swear jpl is from The Summit.

"We might not win but our strength of schedule players are shorter than yours"
 
doggydaddy said:
Then why did you say ALL the players listed 6' or more were seen standing?
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Well, DD, nitpicks are a good way to have fun; hyper-accuracy in the way something is expressed is cool, but I'm not sure your comment is either nit or hyper. It rather looks more like an attempt to complicate the obvious. Less fun is had when someone does that, don't you think? :-o
 
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doggydaddy said:
By the way, the USA roster from last years 3-3 team has Hartley listed at 5'10". I believe that is her true height and clearly pictures this year of Hartley and KML from the WUG team has KML 2 inches taller.

And before you ask, I'm having fun.
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Oh joy! DD, now I get to illustrate for you the difference between being obvious on one hand (your ditty in prior post) and a true, honest to goodness nitpick on the other (what I will here illustrate):

You have stated, without hesitation that you believe Hartley is 5-10. The only thing that remains unclear is whether you base your belief on your "eyes" or on some other way of belief formation.

But, you have consistently listed Hartley as 5-9 in all of your usually, but not always accurate game analyses. I do not recall any instance where you listed Hartley at other than 5-9.

Yet, you here claim adherence to the belief she is 5-10. You could have posted your analyses with 5-10, but you did not. Who knows, perhaps if you had done so, UCONN wouldn't have list to ND 3 times, resulting in real grief around here.

I'll here do what I can to help you out. Here's a nice piece of 5-10 proof for you that relies solely on Baylor having correctly listed Sims as 5-8 (somewhat doubtful) and UCONN having correctly listed KML at 6-0 (also doubtful):

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However, DD, as to your stated belief that KML is taller than Doty and Faris, in your eyes, I gather the bunny-gate photo must have been distressing to you for reasons other than that which provoked lots of hand wringing and teeth gnashing around here. I'm afraid there's a confounding height variable in that photo seen 'round the world that can only be set aside by assuming a difference in heels versus flats:

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jplotinus said:
However, DD, as to your stated belief that KML is taller than Doty and Faris, in your eyes, I gather the bunny-gate photo must have been distressing to you for reasons other than that which provoked lots of hand wringing and teeth gnashing around here. I'm afraid there's a confounding height variable in that photo seen 'round the world that can only be set aside by assuming a difference in heels versus flats:

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I know for a fact that KML wore flats and Doty wore heels. Big ones.

The only distress here is your theory that KML is 5'10".

You have helped fill the dog ads of August, but you certainly have no proved your point.
 
doggydaddy said:
I know for a fact that KML wore flats and Doty wore heels. Big ones.

The only distress here is your theory that KML is 5'10".

You have helped fill the dog ads of August, but you certainly have no proved your point.
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There are some here that just like to take contrary points of view. Similar to your thoughts on the AAC being a good place to be, the KML height theory is a minority stance. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

I believe she is 5'11" and 1/2 inches tall. Unlike Hartley, who I believe is listed three inches shorter (now two since they changed it to 5'8") we are basically arguing about 1 1/2 inches.

Can't wait for the games to start.
 
jplotinus said:
Oh joy! DD, now I get to illustrate for you the difference between being obvious on one hand (your ditty in prior post) and a true, honest to goodness nitpick on the other (what I will here illustrate):

You have stated, without hesitation that you believe Hartley is 5-10. The only thing that remains unclear is whether you base your belief on your "eyes" or on some other way of belief formation.

But, you have consistently listed Hartley as 5-9 in all of your usually, but not always accurate game analyses. I do not recall any instance where you listed Hartley at other than 5-9.

Yet, you here claim adherence to the belief she is 5-10. You could have posted your analyses with 5-10, but you did not. Who knows, perhaps if you had done so, UCONN wouldn't have list to ND 3 times, resulting in real grief around here.

I'll here do what I can to help you out. Here's a nice piece of 5-10 proof for you that relies solely on Baylor having correctly listed Sims as 5-8 (somewhat doubtful) and UCONN having correctly listed KML at 6-0 (also doubtful):

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Let me help you out. That is Massengale from Tennessee, not Sims. And she is listed at 5'7".

Base send on this picture, it's pretty clear to me that Hartley is 3 inches taller than her and KML is 1 1/2 to 2 inches taller than Hartley.

And your shot on my game analysis? Cheap shot. Really cheap. The post of someone losing an argument.
 
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doggydaddy said:
Let me help you out. That is Massengale from Tennessee, not Sims. And she is listed at 5'7".

Base send on this picture, it's pretty clear to me that Hartley is 3 inches taller than her and KML is 1 1/2 to 2 inches taller than Hartley.

And your shot on my game analysis? Cheap shot. Really cheap. The post of someone losing an argument.
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No, DD, calling attention to you not posting what you "believe" is not a cheap shot. Rather, it was an invitation to think a little more deeply about the issue of height as it relates to basketball.

Height is usually an advantage in basketball. Generally speaking, taller is better. Thus, it may be said that to the extent height errors may occur, they will be on the side of over, rather than under-stating height.

Let me know if you agree or disagree.

In any event, it can be assumed, since you refused to address the issue other than to claim victim status resulting from crying "cheap shot", that your reason for listing Hartley at 5-9 instead of 5-10, which you said you believe her to be, is that a 3 inch departure from her UCONN listed height was simply too great a deviation. It may well be that height list antics are a part of the game.

That, at least, is my claim. I'm sticking with it.

Thanks for the Massengale correction. I appreciate it.

However, for as much as that may have helped me, I think it hurt you.

By virtue of that photo, if Massengale is 5-7, then KML is, indeed, 5-10.
 
More help for DD:

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So, KML wore flats in the White House. I do not have photo confirmation of the claim Doty wore very big heels (I.e. high enough to turn a 2" height deficit into a 3" height advantage) could not be independently confirmed via photo.
 
jplotinus said:
More help for DD:

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So, KML wore flats in the White House. I do not have photo confirmation of the claim Doty wore very big heels (I.e. high enough to turn a 2" height deficit into a 3" height advantage) could not be independently confirmed via photo.
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Nice picture, but how does it help your premise?
 
jplotinus said:
Well, DD, nitpicks are a good way to have fun; hyper-accuracy in the way something is expressed is cool, but I'm not sure your comment is either nit or hyper. It rather looks more like an attempt to complicate the obvious. Less fun is had when someone does that, don't you think? :-o
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It rather looks as though you are baiting...and this tactic just makes these dog days much longer.
Bad form, bad dog - needs a time out in his crate
 
RadyLady said:
It rather looks as though you are baiting...and this tactic just makes these dog days much longer.
Bad form, bad dog - needs a time out in his crate
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I am not a bad dog
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