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Does this push ND to join a conf?

I’ve had lots of contact with LSU—been to games, tailgates, practices—and have to agree with Giddyup that Kelly’s an odd cultural and personality fit. I’m friends with several boosters who’ve been chummy with several former coaches during their tenures. Last night I asked whether they were pleased or puzzled by the choice of Kelly. The answers were mostly he’s now my coach and has my full support. One said “ Not sure yet but try to imagine Ed Ogeron fitting in in South Bend. “
 
TerryD said:
No. Conference affiliation had nothing to do with it, money did. LSU is going to pay Kelly nearly $15 million a year.
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You misunderstood. I never said his leaving was a result of conference affiliation; but it is (partially) a result of the money that comes with the conference. ND is no longer the biggest, richest school. And that was one reason they lost their coach, an unthinkable event even 10 years ago.

So my question is, now that they're getting outbid for a coach, do they have enough $$ to keep up with the Joneses. And if they don't, do they feel a need to make a change?
 
Vowelguy said:
Perhaps, but then why did their coach just leave for more money?
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I don’t think money was the big factor. I think kelly wants access to better athletes that are more readily available in the SEC which will give him a better opportunity to win a national championship
 
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TheDrifter75 said:
93, 99, 13 please list FSU's 5 other national championships.
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5 are unclaimed, which means they were given by some ranking agency that even FSU thought it would make them look stupid to accept, so they didn't.
 
Dizzy21 said:
5 are unclaimed, which means they were given by some ranking agency that even FSU thought it would make them look stupid to accept, so they didn't.
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And 93 was a sham. Same record as ND and lost to the Irish head to head, I was at the game in South Bend. #1 vs. #3. It was the de facto NC game.
 
Anytime I think of Louisiana I think of this clip. It's not the heat, it's the humidity. I don't think I could take it down there, growing up in New England.

 
RioDog said:
And 93 was sham. Same record as ND and lost to the Irish head to head, I was at the game in South Bend. #1 vs. #3. It was the de facto NC game.
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Yeah, have to admit, stuff back in the day was horrible when it came to the NC. Even though it is not the best system yet, having the playoffs attempts to better clarify a winner. Expanding them should help even more.
 
Waquoit said:
Let's hope Kelly can coach at LSU without killing anyone
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I was just about to post myself....at least at LSU he can kill a student manager or two each year and not have to worry about any media push back as long as they are in the SEC Championship game.:eek:
 
CTBballfan243 said:
I don’t think money was the big factor. I think kelly wants access to better athletes that are more readily available in the SEC which will give him a better opportunity to win a national championship
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ND has become a national joke every time it gets into the CFP. They generally have 1 or 2 tough games per season. This year they missed playing MI and MSU. They almost lost to VA Tech.

Yeah the old alums care about independence and mystique, but I bet they also care that ND has not won a championship in a very long time and that they have been perpetual under performers in the post season. A conference may give them an easier path to the playoff and if conferences expand their schedules to include 1 more in league game, their path gets even tougher as an independent. Fewer major game options every year for an independent that will have playoff implications. They only had one this year and they lost it.
 
TerryD said:
No. Conference affiliation had nothing to do with it, money did. LSU is going to pay Kelly nearly $15 million a year.

Being in a conference did not save Oklahoma from having its head coach poached as well, did it?

Everyone associated with ND knows about the NBC contract (to be renewed in 2025) and has for quite some time.

The NBC deal is more about exposure as an independent than the money. It just has to be enough money, ND is less dependent on TV money than most schools. Donor money dwarfs that at ND. The big donors often threaten to withhold money if ND drops independence.

ND was paying Kelly $7 million a year on a contract just extended and was to run for three more years.

Kelly had been flirting with other jobs since 2012. ND wasn't going to double his pay after just negotiating/extending his contract.
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06029 said:
ND has become a national joke every time it gets into the CFP. They generally have 1 or 2 tough games per season. This year they missed playing MI and MSU. They almost lost to VA Tech.

Yeah the old alums care about independence and mystique, but I bet they also care that ND has not won a championship in a very long time and that they have been perpetual under performers in the post season. A conference may give them an easier path to the playoff and if conferences expand their schedules to include 1 more in league game, their path gets even tougher as an independent. Fewer major game options every year for an independent that will have playoff implications. They only had one this year and they lost it.
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I hate ND. After cheering for UCONN my next favorite thing to do in college sports is cheer for whoever is playing ND. The best part about them is that they are on the slide to irrelevance in football. Conference has nothing to do with it. The best players will not play there when there are more attractive options. Plus, we beat them on their home field.
 
Nostical said:
I’ve had lots of contact with LSU—been to games, tailgates, practices—and have to agree with Giddyup that Kelly’s an odd cultural and personality fit. I’m friends with several boosters who’ve been chummy with several former coaches during their tenures. Last night I asked whether they were pleased or puzzled by the choice of Kelly. The answers were mostly he’s now my coach and has my full support. One said “ Not sure yet but try to imagine Ed Ogeron fitting in in South Bend. “
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Geaux Irish.
 
If Cincinnati wins and makes the playoffs it will obviously come at the expense of a power five blue blood. Then there will be incentive from the power five to increase the playoff likely to 12 teams. If that happens Notre Dame will remain independent forever.
 
huskysupporter said:
Or he wants a new challenge - it happens. LSU will admit anyone - Notre Dame won’t - will be interesting to see what Kelly can do at LSU. He has been a winner everywhere he has coached.
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He wants more money, this stuff isn't confusing. He will make 9.5 million per year over 10 years in salary at LSU, Lincoln Riley will probably be making even more at USC. Kelly was making something like 2.7 million in salary at ND.
 
Kolumbo said:
ND is $loaded so I'm not sure conference payout is that big a factor. The Big 12 would be a consideration if it were looking for an easier road to the playoffs.
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LOL. Just as a matter of academic perception, there is zero chance ND would want to go to the Big 12.
 
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uconntailgater said:
If Cincinnati wins and makes the playoffs it will obviously come at the expense of a power five blue blood. Then there will be incentive from the power five to increase the playoff likely to 12 teams. If that happens Notre Dame will remain independent forever.
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Until 4 SEC teams including 2 with one more loss than ND get in over ND due to strength of schedule or because they lost in the championship game.
 
uconntailgater said:
If Cincinnati wins and makes the playoffs it will obviously come at the expense of a power five blue blood. Then there will be incentive from the power five to increase the playoff likely to 12 teams. If that happens Notre Dame will remain independent forever.
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Why would Cincy making the playoffs change the P5s outlook? For a non P-5 team to get in, even once, requires not just an undefeated season but a road win at a team that was itself in contention for the playoffs.

Don't get me wrong -- it is all about money and the expansion of the playoffs will ultimately happen to generate more revenue, but it's not going to be because once every 20 years or so a G-5 team got in. Recognizing that once the 4 non-P-5 schools move to the Big XII, the P-5 has tightened its grip.
 
businesslawyer said:
Why would Cincy making the playoffs change the P5s outlook? For a non P-5 team to get in, even once, requires not just an undefeated season but a road win at a team that was itself in contention for the playoffs.

Don't get me wrong -- it is all about money and the expansion of the playoffs will ultimately happen to generate more revenue, but it's not going to be because once every 20 years or so a G-5 team got in. Recognizing that once the 4 non-P-5 schools move to the Big XII, the P-5 has tightened its grip.
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I agree. Playoff expansion devalues the P5 because playoff berths aren’t as scarce.

You want to see realignment insanity? Watch what happens if FBS expanded 24 playoff teams with all conferences getting an auto qualifier and at large bids.
 
Vowelguy said:
You misunderstood. I never said his leaving was a result of conference affiliation; but it is (partially) a result of the money that comes with the conference. ND is no longer the biggest, richest school. And that was one reason they lost their coach, an unthinkable event even 10 years ago.

So my question is, now that they're getting outbid for a coach, do they have enough $$ to keep up with the Joneses. And if they don't, do they feel a need to make a change?
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From last year's reports, ND was still #6 in the nation in revenues.

ND had just renewed his contract for like the fourth time last year.

Jack Swarbrick said today that Kelly did not ask him to match LSU's offer.

To answer your question, ND is not going to make a change.
 
BlueandOG said:
I hate ND. After cheering for UCONN my next favorite thing to do in college sports is cheer for whoever is playing ND. The best part about them is that they are on the slide to irrelevance in football. Conference has nothing to do with it. The best players will not play there when there are more attractive options. Plus, we beat them on their home field.
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54-9 the last five years with two playoff berths in the past three years is sure one heck of a way to "slide to irrelevance in football".

If that is the case, then 125 or so other FBS programs are even more "irrelevant" than ND.
 
TerryD said:
Jack Swarbrick said today that Kelly did not ask him to match LSU's offer.
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Do you think that they would have, or even that they could have?
 
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dvegas said:
Kelly learned that from none other than Randy Edsall!
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C’mon, he wasn’t going to add 50+ addressees to a text! One phone call using the speaker was much easier.
 
MilliniumPrince said:
Tell me you made up the part about the text....seriously? If true, damn!
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Nope he sent his team this text message last night, I guess it's not as bad as killing someone but it's up there in the Mt. Rushmore of his scumbag moves
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CL82 said:
Do you think that they would have, or even that they could have?
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As of 2018 ND was ranked 10th among all US universities with an $11,000,000,000.00 endowment, so they certainly could have. "Would have" is in Swarbrick's head and/or the hands of the Board of Trustees. Based on Kelly's consistent success I believe they would have taken a swing at it. We'll never know.

As an aside none of the nine ahead of ND surprised me except Texas AM. Who'da thunk it?


EDIT: As of 2021 ND was 7th with almost 12 billion, behind some of the Ivies, Stanford, and MIT

EDIT II: List I saw was privates only- 2 publics ahead if ND- Texas AM and U of Michigan.
 
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phillionaire said:
Nope he sent his team this text message last night, I guess it's not as bad as killing someone but it's up there in the Mt. Rushmore of his scumbag moves
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Other than leaving out that awful "my love for you is limitless" line :eek:, what was he supposed to do? He was out of town and planned on telling the team the next day at 7 am. Then the news leaks at 8 pm. Ideally I guess he could've tried to quickly arrange a conference call, though that has potential to be even worse and was complicated by the fact that he was flying that night as well.
 
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