Does anyone find it strange that Baylor within the last.....

[Kitaman]

I hate when others accuse UConn of cheating as a result of their success (and some unfortunate events that don't really amount to cheating.)

Has Baylor done anything to illicit the accusations in this thread other than experience some recent success with recruits from their back yard?

I never knew that UConn fans can be so accusing without evidence. Its embarrassing as national champs to read some of these suspicions. Insecurity/arrogance is a bitch. Personally I don't feel threatened by Baylor's recruiting and I'm unsure why there is a thread on this here at UConn.

 

[61cygni]

It's because of Rick Barnes.

 

[seanmc94]

Recently there was another coach in a BCS conference who went to a school that hadn't had a ton of recent success and was able to turn fortunes quickly by using a very aggressive recruiting style that was also called into questioned by his competition.

That coach?

Billy D at Florida

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

Then Why did they wait over ten years to start? The football program got one player. The basketball program is as dirty as a poll at scores.

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

I was laughing so hard I think I double posted. As Kitman mentioned this team is 1 you want to avoid in your bracket in March. They are 10 deep with great team chemistry. I don't see more than 4 loses going into selection Sunday. The poles at Scores are not that dirty. There are several dirtier.

JMHO

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

I never knew that UConn fans can be so accusing without evidence. Its embarrassing as national champs to read some of these suspicions. Insecurity/arrogance is a bitch. Personally I don't feel threatened by Baylor's recruiting and I'm unsure why there is a thread on this here at UConn.

Its great talk because these two teams may meet in March. Could be in the regional finals in Phoenix, Atlanta, St. Louis or Boston. Its nice to venture off into other conferences periodically to appreciate other teams and their great start. Other than SU that is. haha

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

Because we all know it's true.

I think the OP is questioning how a good coach with not much resume is able to out recruit a lot of other more established programs with coaches who have better resumes. It took a bit of time with some success before JC was getting top fifty recruits. The Baylor coach may be a great salesperson legitimately getting top recruits. But that is unusual for someone without a pedigree.

They recruit certain types of student athletes that fit the subculture of that particular school.

 

[alexrgct]

Scott Drew is a scumbag. It is well-known that he stretches the rules of recruiting to a breaking point, and there's little to do with insecurity to say that. Bobby Knight hates him. Bobby Knight hates cheaters. Coincidence?

Kim Mulkey is a great coach. They will not be able to contend with UConn year in and year out in WBB, but they will continue to be very strong even after Griner leaves.

Football is simple: they struck gold with RGIII and Kendall Wright. They will not be a doormat necessarily, but they are going to fall significantly back to earth.

 

[Brochacho]

So only the usual powerhouses are supposed to get good recruits and if other programs get these recruits then they are dirty with scumbag coaches? Ok.

 

[alexrgct]

So only the usual powerhouses are supposed to get good recruits and if other programs get these recruits then they are dirty with scumbag coaches? Ok.

No...Scott Drew is. Why is this so shocking?

Baylor has had success under three different coaches for three different reasons. Scott is the only one who's dirty.

If you think five-star athletes are just deciding to spend their college days in Waco at a Baptist school at a program that was buried with one of the worst incidents in the sport's history fewer than ten years ago, I've got some sub-prime mortgage-based derivatives I'd like to sell you.

 

[alexrgct]

So far we have:

1. Scott Drew is a lousy coach....but he's 17-0 with wins over 7 top 50 teams. Check.
2. Drew turned Baylor around overnight....in just 9 years. Check.
3. Baylor recruiting is dirty, dirty, dirty.....but the NCAA just can't catch them. Check.
4. Star athletes would hate to sign with a top 50 team and get immediate playing time....even in Waco, TX. Check.

Wow. Seems pretty convincing to me.

Yep, if there's one thing the NCAA is known for, it's their vigilence in terms of actively policing and discouraging cheating in big revenue sports. Good God.

Keep your head in the sound. Your MBB program will go down eventually...or the rules will change such that the technically permissable crap that Drew pulls like overpaying for the services of AAU coaches won't be allowed.

Kim Mulkey and Art Briles are fine coaches who deserve the success they've gotten. Scott Drew is a POS. Deal with it.

 

[alexrgct]

Is this the same Bobby Knight of which you speak:

Wow, that's a serious violation there. I hope the NCAA works overtime to bring that miscreant to justice.

Get over yourself. Bobby Knight did more good for the sport of MCBB than Scott Drew could if he lived a thousand lifetimes.

Baptists- typical hyprocrites who ignore moral principles when it's convenient for them to do so.

 

[Reno]

Miller/Bello were a package deal and Baylor was already on the rise when they committed. Just about every other top recruit they've gotten or player that they've developed has been from Texas.

 

[Brochacho]

No...Scott Drew is. Why is this so shocking?

Baylor has had success under three different coaches for three different reasons. Scott is the only one who's dirty.

If you think five-star athletes are just deciding to spend their college days in Waco at a Baptist school at a program that was buried with one of the worst incidents in the sport's history fewer than ten years ago, I've got some sub-prime mortgage-based derivatives I'd like to sell you.

Can you cite a specific example of Scott Drew being a dirty recruiter? I know Perry Jones had a little AAU incident but how is that any different than the issues surrounding RB? Counting the 2012 class, in 10 classes Drew has gotten a total of four 5* prospects. Takes him 10 years to do what Calipari can do in one.

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

http://getbuckets.fantake.com/2011/01/13/baylors-prospects-is-waco-the-new-storrs/

I think Baylor is due for a breakout year. Breakout meaning Final 4. This is the year they need to break through. The personnel and team chemistry are there.

 

[Huskymaniac]

Can you cite a specific example of Scott Drew being a dirty recruiter? I know Perry Jones had a little AAU incident but how is that any different than the issues surrounding RB? Counting the 2012 class, in 10 classes Drew has gotten a total of four 5* prospects. Takes him 10 years to do what Calipari can do in one.

What is his resume over those 10 years and compare that resume and the number of 5 star recruits to what Calhoun did/got in his first 10 years at UConn. Comparing Drew to Calipari is like comparing Manson to Hitler. Manson looks like a slightly whacky guy in that light.

 

[Kitaman]

I remember when Fischer recruited the Fab 5, somewhat similar. Some teams get a recruiting break during certain years. Some players actually recruit others so just maybe the players were as much an influence as the coach. Why are we examining a 2 year snapshot and not wait for 5 years and see if this is a long term deal?

I don't care if the coach is scum or a , the beauty in college bball is to see if another UConn is in the making. So far no, maybe Baylor could be the 'next' team of the future. Doesn't take anything away from us.

 

[Scoe]

Baylor has a legit shot at dual national championships this year I think the womens team will win it this year the men have a good shot but there is more parity in mens college basketball.

 

[61cygni]

http://getbuckets.fantake.com/2011/01/13/baylors-prospects-is-waco-the-new-storrs/

I think Baylor is due for a breakout year. Breakout meaning Final 4. This is the year they need to break through. The personnel and team chemistry are there.

Is anyone here still not aware of bluedoghouse's stance on Baylor's basketball team?

 

[bobbygt]

I am the complete opposite of an insider, so I'm just going to assume the coach is riding a wave and is capitalizing on it by bringing in some great in state talent (even though one of their 5*s is from NC). Sometimes there is just a buzz that recruits pick up on.

And to say that this could be Baylor's year to break out- that's an understatement. I can think of just one or two major conference programs that have less cbb history than Baylor: NW and USF. Baylor is sorta like Ole Miss, Nebraska, Rutgers, so to see them do well would be a nice change than watching the usual suspects do well in the postseason. All except uconn of course.

 

[M_Funkhauser43!]

I remember when Fischer recruited the Fab 5, somewhat similar. Some teams get a recruiting break during certain years. Some players actually recruit others so just maybe the players were as much an influence as the coach. Why are we examining a 2 year snapshot and not wait for 5 years and see if this is a long term deal?

I don't care if the coach is scum or a , the beauty in college bball is to see if another UConn is in the making. So far no, maybe Baylor could be the 'next' team of the future. Doesn't take anything away from us.

If you call finding local talent to pay rather than players further afield a "recruiting break," then yeah, Michigan caught one with the Fab Five.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Webber#College_career

I don't think that's the comparison you're looking for if you want to give Scott Drew the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Brochacho]

We should have a home and home series with Baylor. Always good to get some good OOC competition and we have played them in football and WBB so why not MBB?

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

Is anyone here still not aware of bluedoghouse's stance on Baylor's basketball team?

Baylor is a big underdog this evening @ -7. I think seasons should be looked at in their totality. The highs and lows ( all relative) are usually a prerequisite to the develpoment of any particular team through-out the course of the season. They usually are inevitable. I believe the goal this year should be to secure a top 3 seed considering the chalk is pretty strong at the top. Avoid the chalk until the regional final and let the #4's and #'5 do the dirty work for you. That worked out for UConn last year. There isn't 1 particular region that gives Baylor an overwhelming advantage this year. I still like them to be in New Orleans and to have the opportunity to cut the nets down barring injury.

 

[Fishy]

Big 12 coaches are not a fan of Scott Drew's and that's either because he's beating them for kids legitimately or he's not.

The Houston Select association and scandal is troubling - the Hanner Perea stuff was nothing short of despicable on a lot more levels than was ever made public.