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NCAA enforcement office calls Kansas' violations 'egregious, severe'

The NCAA enforcement staff, in its reply to Kansas regarding charges of five Level I rules violations, said coach Bill Self and assistant Kurtis Townsend "embraced, welcomed and encouraged" Adidas' influence to help high-profile recruits sign at KU.
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The NCAA called their actions "egregious" and "severe". I am shocked. SHOCKED the NCAA would go after them so harshly. That's quite a reprimand. Hope Kansas can recover from this nasty, nasty penalty.
 
But I don’t think this is a reprimand, nor is it a penalty, it’s charges, no? Kansas is, of course, denying everything, but they are being charged with harsh stuff.
 
Forgive my ignorance (i.e. laziness to looking it up)...Kansas says they don’t deny that impermissible benefits were given, but they shouldn’t be held responsible for the shoe companies actions. Doesn’t it not matter? If any student is caught receiving benefits they become ineligible, right? And playing ineligible players leads to vacated wins and the like?
 
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spudzj6 said:
Forgive my ignorance (i.e. laziness to looking it up)...Kansas says they don’t deny that impermissible benefits were given, but they shouldn’t be held responsible for the shoe companies actions. Doesn’t it not matter? If any student is caught receiving benefits they become ineligible, right? And playing ineligible players leads to vacated wins and the like?
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"However, where the parties diverge from the NCAA enforcement staff is on the key issue of responsibility for this conduct. They assert that Adidas and four of its employees or consultants are not representatives of the institution's athletics interests, arguing the enforcement staff's analysis is novel, unprecedented and never previously contemplated by the NCAA membership."
 
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former Husky AD employee, Sean Lester, mentioned throughout NCAA response given his role in handling the KU-Adidas contract
 
CL82 said:
"However, where the parties diverge from the NCAA enforcement staff is on the key issue of responsibility for this conduct. They assert that Adidas and four of its employees or consultants are not representatives of the institution's athletics interests, arguing the enforcement staff's analysis is novel, unprecedented and never previously contemplated by the NCAA membership."
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Thanks...still can’t look at the situation and see how a shoe company “agent” (that’s who they are) can be classified anything different than a traditional sports agent. Any kid taking money from agents is no no, how can a shoe company be classified as different? Guess this is how it all plays out, words will matter in these cases?
 
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spudzj6 said:
Forgive my ignorance (i.e. laziness to looking it up)...Kansas says they don’t deny that impermissible benefits were given, but they shouldn’t be held responsible for the shoe companies actions. Doesn’t it not matter? If any student is caught receiving benefits they become ineligible, right? And playing ineligible players leads to vacated wins and the like?
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upstater said:
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So Kansas admits they were real... but were they spectacular?
 
Kansas will suffer the same fate as UNC
Double Double Secret non-probation Probation
Reserved for the Elite P5
The problem with Louisville - they aren't elite - yet
 
And yet they still signed a 14yr/$196million contract with a company that they knew funneled money to recruits. Hopefully they don't scrape their nose on the ceiling.
 
NCAA seeing their chance to hand them the death penalty.

For 2 months.

Starting now.
 
Why go to the independent arbitrators? The NCAA won't hand Kansas a penalty.

On a similar note, I saw an article today that said the P5 football teams could drip the NCAA and be better off as there is a general consensus of how bad NCAA leadership is.

The NCAA will probably tell KU they filed this under the wrong school and all findings will be dropped due to a clerical error.
 
spudzj6 said:
Thanks...still can’t look at the situation and see how a shoe company “agent” (that’s who they are) can be classified anything different than a traditional sports agent. Any kid taking money from agents is no no, how can a shoe company be classified as different? Guess this is how it all plays out, words will matter in these cases?
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It’s a problematic position, but I have long since given up on schools being held accountable. UNC’s position was ridiculous, but in the end it carried the day. Louisville and Kansas are egregious repeat offenders. If the NCAA doesn’t sanction them, it makes their whole enforcement regime look arbitrary and capricious.
 
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pepband99 said:
NCAA seeing their chance to hand them the death penalty.

For 2 months.

Starting now.
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I don’t think there is a death penalty anymore. At least I think that was what someone posted in the Louisville thread.
 
Only putting this here so people can see it's been almost 3 years since the NCAA leveled allegations against Kansas, and almost 5 years since this first came out, and still the fight is going on. But Kansas held Self and an assistant off the road in July. Must be using this as a sacrificial lamb for the NCAA. Even though it won't hurt Kansas's recruiting at all. I still hope the NCAA hammers them at some point.

Kansas coach Bill Self and assistant coach Kurtis Townsend were held off the road for the live recruiting period in July, sources told CBS Sports. Self and Townsend missed the biggest month in college basketball recruiting, which came and went Sunday afternoon without the leader of the reigning national champions at key events nationwide.

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Kansas holds Bill Self, Kurtis Townsend off road for July live recruiting period as NCAA case drags on

It is not yet known when Self and Townsend will be allowed to resume in-person recruiting activities
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uconngb said:
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NCAA enforcement office calls Kansas' violations 'egregious, severe'

The NCAA enforcement staff, in its reply to Kansas regarding charges of five Level I rules violations, said coach Bill Self and assistant Kurtis Townsend "embraced, welcomed and encouraged" Adidas' influence to help high-profile recruits sign at KU.
www.espn.com www.espn.com

The NCAA called their actions "egregious" and "severe". I am shocked. SHOCKED the NCAA would go after them so harshly. That's quite a reprimand. Hope Kansas can recover from this nasty, nasty penalty.
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Frankly, I am shocked. Bill Self always seemed to be a model of propriety.

(It looks like it’s time to update my monograph Self and Kansas.)
 
So, if we got some NCAA heat right now, how would we handle it? Isn’t there precedent at this point for any school to sue the NCAA and show that they don’t penalize the worst offenders and instead punish the small fish and the big names they have a vendetta against?
 
Although they can’t punish a University if the improper benefits were between the student athlete and the shoe company behind the back of the athletic dept.

All the games those players appeared in should be forfeited.
If any of those guys played in 1997
I’m counting it a a win.
 
HooperScooper said:
Only putting this here so people can see it's been almost 3 years since the NCAA leveled allegations against Kansas, and almost 5 years since this first came out, and still the fight is going on. But Kansas held Self and an assistant off the road in July. Must be using this as a sacrificial lamb for the NCAA. Even though it won't hurt Kansas's recruiting at all. I still hope the NCAA hammers them at some point.

Kansas coach Bill Self and assistant coach Kurtis Townsend were held off the road for the live recruiting period in July, sources told CBS Sports. Self and Townsend missed the biggest month in college basketball recruiting, which came and went Sunday afternoon without the leader of the reigning national champions at key events nationwide.

www.cbssports.com

Kansas holds Bill Self, Kurtis Townsend off road for July live recruiting period as NCAA case drags on

It is not yet known when Self and Townsend will be allowed to resume in-person recruiting activities
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com
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Is giving Self July off really disincentivizing him?
 
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Top-25 senior Johnson commits to Self, Jayhawks

Top-25 senior Chris Johnson, described by ESPN's Paul Biancardi as "a hard playing perimeter prospect with explosiveness," announced his commitment to Kansas on Tuesday night, days after taking an official visit to the Jayhawks' campus.
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assuming KU chose him over middleton. we offered but iirc never really gained traction.
 
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