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whaler11 said:
Takes a certain kind of crazy to bang the drum about on field performance when it's a player with 11 interceptions and no touchdowns you are pushing for....
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I'm so tired of this line. Boyle started 4 games - 2 to ranked teams, 1 to a Cincy defense that was very very good, and USF. What's Whitmer's best win of his career? @Maryland with McCombs career high total and a Nick Williams punt return for a TD? Against a 17th string QB? Maybe UCF this year, but they're not exactly world beaters.

Whitmer is 25TD's against 28 picks. Let's not pretend he's Unitas. He's a poor man's Cole Stoudt.
 
sub legacy said:
What's the worst that can happen, he throws another 11 picks in the final three games? Boyle deserves to be given the same room for error Whitmer has gotten, especially in games that are rendered meaningless right now anyway. It's the only way he's even going to prove his worth or earn his keep if he's supposedly "the future".
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I didn't say don't play him. Just pointing out the absurity of Palatine's reasoning.
 
pepband99 said:
I'm so tired of this line. Boyle started 4 games - 2 to ranked teams, 1 to a Cincy defense that was very very good, and USF. What's Whitmer's best win of his career? @Maryland with McCombs career high total and a Nick Williams punt return for a TD? Against a 17th string QB? Maybe UCF this year, but they're not exactly world beaters.

Whitmer is 25TD's against 28 picks. Let's not pretend he's Unitas. He's a poor man's Cole Stoudt.
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You don't think pointing out game performance to someone railing about game versus practice performance is fair? Um ok.
 
sub legacy said:
What's the worst that can happen, he throws another 11 picks in the final three games? Boyle deserves to be given the same room for error Whitmer has gotten, especially in games that are rendered meaningless right now anyway. It's the only way he's even going to prove his worth or earn his keep if he's supposedly "the future".
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I think everyone is on board with playing Boyle now. But it's lunacy to scream about how in-game production should matter when Boyle's in-game numbers are brutal.
 
Some of us are as cooky as the coach seems at times...
I say that with love and care.
 
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Jimmy Serrano said:
I think everyone is on board with playing Boyle now. But it's lunacy to scream about how in-game production should matter when Boyle's in-game numbers are brutal.
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I agree with you Jimmy. I would like to see Boyle in for an extended period but I'd prefer to see us win for a change, not just try to stay close. The Bearcats can put points on the board so as Carl says we should be mindful of keeping their offense off the field too.
 
Jimmy Serrano said:
I think everyone is on board with playing Boyle now. But it's lunacy to scream about how in-game production should matter when Boyle's in-game numbers are brutal.
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I'm not on board with that.

I cannot come up with a rationalization or explanation that I want to believe for what we have been doing all season long with the QB position, going all the way back to August and that public announcement Diaco made with Cochran and Whitmer. That doesn't mean there isn't an explanation. The only explanation I can come up with, is that this entire 2014 season has been essentially a long scrimmage/practice session for the offense and we aren't really installing a specific offense conceptually until next season. I don't like that explanation, it makes me mad, and therefore I choose to ignore as much as I can, and not accept that explanation.

If at this point, now that we've pissed away enough wins to fail to get to a bowl game for yet another year, Diaco fundamentally changes the way he's built this 2014 program to play the game on offense, it will make me cause my ass explode in a ball of fire. The guy you see running around the concourse at Rentschler with his ass on fire on Saturday night will be me.

Right or wrong, good or bad, short term or long term - Diaco chose a program/offensive system for this 2014 team. Short term, the results have been bad in contributing to wins. Long term? TBD. I have no idea WTF his offensive concepts are, and how he wants to approach the game offensively to win games. What he's done makes no sense to me to develop any consistency, discipline and reliability on offense. Through 9 games, I don't think I'm off-base I my analysis. Come next season, 18 games? We'll see.

For now - it's 1 game ahead- the first game we've got where season goals are significantly altered. If he changes something now, all it does is make everything he did prior - even more insane.

I fully expect to see Whitmer starting, and get the majority of game reps.....Boyle to come in at some point 2nd or 3rd Quarter - and get his own possession to do something - and he'll stay on the field as long as he keeps that single possession alive, and that Boyle experiement will involve play calling that are completely unrelated to actually flow of the game, and that Foxx will get some direct snaps through the course of the game, and that he will probably let one fly this game, because Army pretty much demonstrated how to defend everything else that Foxx does on film.

that's what we've developed on offense all season long. Why? I have no f----king idea why you would want to do this - but it's what we've done. To change it now? Why the duck did you do it in the first place? Too much to wrap my head around, rather light my ass on fire.
 
whaler11 said:
You don't think pointing out game performance to someone railing about game versus practice performance is fair? Um ok.
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I don't think pointing out game performance against better teams is as simple as you make it sound, given the opponent. I also think, in general, that this team overall is better than last years, QB performance not withstanding. CW hasn't performed well with a better team against inferior opponents. In short, you're not talking apples against apples.
 
pepband99 said:
I don't think pointing out game performance against better teams is as simple as you make it sound, given the opponent. I also think, in general, that this team overall is better than last years, QB performance not withstanding. CW hasn't performed well with a better team against inferior opponents. In short, you're not talking apples against apples.
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So can I deduct you are in the camp that CC only looked really good last year due to lesser competition than the other QB 's faced?
 
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pepband99 said:
I'm so tired of this line. Boyle started 4 games - 2 to ranked teams, 1 to a Cincy defense that was very very good, and USF. What's Whitmer's best win of his career? @Maryland with McCombs career high total and a Nick Williams punt return for a TD? Against a 17th string QB? Maybe UCF this year, but they're not exactly world beaters.

Whitmer is 25TD's against 28 picks. Let's not pretend he's Unitas. He's a poor man's Cole Stoudt.
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There are people comparing a UConn QB's to Unitas, but CW isn't one of them. CW has cut down on his INT's this season. If you want to ding him for throwing one when the team is down two TD's in the second half, go ahead. But, I don't think it's entirely fair to pin it all on him. Maybe if we could run the ball at all, we wouldn't be forced to rely on a less than accurate QB inside the 10 yard line. No need to discuss the guy who is rolling 0 TDs and 11 int's in his career.
 
Quite frankly, the receivers on the team liked the athletic QB who left the team prior to the season - as one said at least he could buy some time.
Whitmer has never had the support of his teammates - some don't like his bow tie attitude - at any rate - he doesn't get it done.
 
SubbaBub said:
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There are people comparing a UConn QB's to Unitas, but CW isn't one of them. CW has cut down on his INT's this season. If you want to ding him for throwing one when the team is down two TD's in the second half, go ahead. But, I don't think it's entirely fair to pin it all on him. Maybe if we could run the ball at all, we wouldn't be forced to rely on a less than accurate QB inside the 10 yard line. No need to discuss the guy who is rolling 0 TDs and 11 int's in his career.
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I think we can run the ball. We didn't even try when it mattered against Army. The first half, why we are trying to throw passes against Army's defense I don't know. We get a gift of a possession, in the first half and immediately throw a deep ball that's picked off. One play. A couple seconds off the clock, on a gift of a possession. Who is calling our plays by the way? Get him off of Madden. The biggest difference in coaching that came last season - was when Shane Day started calling offensive plays. second half against army, down 21-7, the offense puts together a possession of multiple - I think 8 or 9 consecutive runs, to pounded the ball down the field on the ground, and then threw a play action pass over the middle to the TE, for a TD on 4th down, after trying to pass it to Foxx incomplete on bubble screens and other things - that Army actually studied film on. 21-14. The defense gets Army to a 3 and out on the ensuing possession. 21-14 - our offense has the ball.

Do we stay with run? Is there any offensive consistency in this program? Hell no. 3 consecutive passes, and a punt. Give the ball right back to their offense.

Simple rule of offensive play calling - keep calling the same plays - until the defense stops them.

This painful aspect of this 2014 program has been overlooked so far this season. The Army game was an exposition of our flaws.
 
Army of the 230 lb DL is the only team we've show any ability to run the ball against consistently. Given the lack of possession and time left on the clock, running in the second half seemed counterproductive until we were down at the end zone with over a minute left and timeout.
 
I think the one thing that this discussion crystallizes is how much in the dark we are about the rationale or correlation between the QB rotation and any long or short term plan the staff wants to implement. The staff has either intentionally or through lack of a plan failed to convey that rationale and the reporters have failed to get a coherent answer from HCBD.

I could only see 2 sensible reasons to keep your upside QB of the future on the bench if you are building for the future. One is that the line is so poor you don't want to damage him any further physically or mentally and that would be a legit concern for me. Two is that CW, while having his share of limitations, has the experience to maybe pull out some close games and keep us in Bowl contention in the short-term. So you might let it play out with him as the starter until the opportunity is lost. That in no way explains the series-and-pull routine which has disrupted the offense and not given TB a fair shot to acclimate to anything.

Both of those situations are out the window now so we should be expecting some tough questions by the end of the week. Right?
 
Jimdish255 said:
I think the one thing that this discussion crystallizes is how much in the dark we are about the rationale or correlation between the QB rotation and any long or short term plan the staff wants to implement. The staff has either intentionally or through lack of a plan failed to convey that rationale and the reporters have failed to get a coherent answer from HCBD.

I could only see 2 sensible reasons to keep your upside QB of the future on the bench if you are building for the future. One is that the line is so poor you don't want to damage him any further physically or mentally and that would be a legit concern for me. Two is that CW, while having his share of limitations, has the experience to maybe pull out some close games and keep us in Bowl contention in the short-term. So you might let it play out with him as the starter until the opportunity is lost. That in no way explains the series-and-pull routine which has disrupted the offense and not given TB a fair shot to acclimate to anything.

Both of those situations are out the window now so we should be expecting some tough questions by the end of the week. Right?
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Wouldn't surprise me if Whitmer is casually named the starter, and the press won't have anything to say about it.
 
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Palatine said:
What is Whitmer's career W/L?
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As bad as it is it's infinitely better than Boyle's.

This whole conversation is ridiculous.

There is exactly one reason to play Boyle. He has future eligibility remaining. Based on what he has done in games he hasn't earned a single second of additional playing time.

I look forward to your obsession with the 2015 backup quarterbacks.
 
Unless it leaks out through a player, you'll know who is playing quarterback on Saturday night.
 
Chief00 said:
Quite frankly, the receivers on the team liked the athletic QB who left the team prior to the season - as one said at least he could buy some time.
Whitmer has never had the support of his teammates - some don't like his bow tie attitude - at any rate - he doesn't get it done.
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Here is what I know about Whitmer's teammates. They might not put a single player on the all-conference teams.

So they may not like his 'bow-tie' attitude whatever the hell that is - but he spent the last few years getting the hell knocked out of him behind a line that hasn't blocked for .

He's taken all the crap from the fanbase - including some of the collosal jacka**es that inhabit this place. (I include myself as a jacka** but rarely call out any individual players).

Quite frankly, I don't give a damn if they preferred someone who couldn't behave in a fashion to stay on the team.
 
whaler11 said:
As bad as it is it's infinitely better than Boyle's.

This whole conversation is ridiculous.

There is exactly one reason to play Boyle. He has future eligibility remaining. Based on what he has done in games he hasn't earned a single second of additional playing time.

I look forward to your obsession with the 2015 backup quarterbacks.
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Avoiding the question?

When Boyle loses an entire season full of games he still won't be at Whitmer.

And that's not even my point. I would prefer Foxx to Whimer. I would prefer to keep trying until we get a QB who wins.

BTW, the back ups I have argued should be given a chance are Dan Orlovsky when Keron Henry was starting, Mike Nebrich when Johnny Mac was starting, and Boyle (and later Foxx) over Whitmer. I am comfortable with my track record.
 
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Palatine said:
Avoiding the question?

When Boyle loses an entire season full of games he still won't be at Whitmer.

And that's not even my point. I would prefer Foxx to Whimer. I would prefer to keep trying until we get a QB who wins.

BTW, the back ups I have argued should be given a chance are Dan Orlovsky when Keron Henry was starting, Mike Nebrich when Johnny Mac was starting, and Boyle (and later Foxx) over Whitmer. I am comfortable with my track record.
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LOL yeah nobody else knew that Orlovsky was better than Henry. The problem was that Edsall wouldn't give him a chance! Oh wait no it wasn't.

You can really puff your chest out with that one.

You might want to see Boyle play better than Whitmer before taking your victory lap.
 
Palatine said:
Avoiding the question?

When Boyle loses an entire season full of games he still won't be at Whitmer.

And that's not even my point. I would prefer Foxx to Whimer. I would prefer to keep trying until we get a QB who wins.

BTW, the back ups I have argued should be given a chance are Dan Orlovsky when Keron Henry was starting, Mike Nebrich when Johnny Mac was starting, and Boyle (and later Foxx) over Whitmer. I am comfortable with my track record.
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LOL
 
Pal why aren't you banging the drum for every other backup on the roster? Shouldn't they be removed too? Or is it only the quarterback who has a winning percentage to judge?
 
Palatine said:
What is Whitmer's career W/L?
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This year 2-7 - same as the head coach and every other player on team.
Actually he is 2-6 - Cochran gets the loss in game vs BYU - he was starter.
 
pepband99 said:
I'm so tired of this line. Boyle started 4 games - 2 to ranked teams, 1 to a Cincy defense that was very very good, and USF. What's Whitmer's best win of his career? @Maryland with McCombs career high total and a Nick Williams punt return for a TD? Against a 17th string QB? Maybe UCF this year, but they're not exactly world beaters.

Whitmer is 25TD's against 28 picks. Let's not pretend he's Unitas. He's a poor man's Cole Stoudt.
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If 25 and 28 is a poor mans Cole Stoudt WTF is 0 and 11???

BD - lack of focus , lack of discipline - words used to describe TB play during Temple mop up duty to the point Foxx took snaps afterwards - he has a chance to get rid of the goose egg this weekend - or add to the 11 - in either case the line will change and there's that.

Remind me Tim's best win - Xavier vs who???
 
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Can't you just picture Pal hunched over one of those old electric football games?

Boyle is the piece that can pass punt and kick, and all 11 defensive pieces are vibrating in the wrong direction as he cruises up and down the field on the way to a 77-0 victory. Making UConn 10-0 and finally vaulting them over undefeated Florida State in the playoff poll.
 
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