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metsfan2323 said:
That league doesn't bother this board, you bother this board. You started this thread with the sole intention of bothering this board. You thrive on misery and act like you are smarter than every else, but in reality you are the biggest loser posting on this board.
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When you can't fight the facts make personal attacks. Well done.
 
It's definitely a better league than ours this year by a good margin. They already, with today's win by Butler adding to it, have enough of a solid non-conference performance that their RPIs will stay high when they start playing each other. So it's probably already a certainty that they'll get more bids - maybe 5-6, while we get two.

But ultimately it comes down to us. I'll be happy to punk their best team in the second round again on the way to bigger and better things, while they can hang their hat about being in a better top to bottom league this year.
 
BIG EAST IS BACK BABY!!!!!! I can't wait to get my Big East Tournament tickets. I'm so hyped. Its been crazy watching all these games on FS1/ESPN. Villanova has been freaking impressive... and now Butler.

I know its early... But this is great basketball right now in the B.E... If Providence somehow pulls an upset over Kentucky this sunday (yes, I can Dream! ) expect four out of ten B.E teams to be ranked in the AP25
 
Jesus Christ this board is manic. EcasadoUSB, STFU. That crap always screws things up.
 
FriarJ, you guys have a good squad this year and I really hope Dunn can stay injury free and do his thing this season.
 
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superjohn said:
FriarJ, you guys have a good squad this year and I really hope Dunn can stay injury free and do his thing this season.
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Nope, both he and Jalen Lindsey our top 3 point shooter have been ruled out against Yale and Kentucky with severe ankle sprains. Kid can't stay healthy.
 
I think Providence has a solid squad, but I'll be impressed if they keep it within 20 of Kentucky. It's just not the same playing field.

BTW - I noticed the sweetheart deal PC gave Kentucky. One game in Brooklyn and one at Rupp? I don't blame them for doing so, and Kentucky might be a more coveted get than UConn, but how can you bend over for Kentucky and then get mad when UConn doesn't schedule a home and home with you?
 
HuskyBballFan said:
I'm not sure what you are remembering, but there weren't many people who thought the Big East had a great year last year. Had Creighton won the BE tournament, PC goes to the NIT and the league only gets 3 bids. The AAC vs Big East was a very legitimate argument last year. The top half of the AAC was better (our dismantling of Nova validated that too) but the bottom half was so bad that the overall RPI, KenPom, etc. favored the Big East.

But so far this year, it's not even a question which league has been better. It's fine if you still think Nova is overrated, but then what the heck do you think about SMU?
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I'm talking about the Boneyard.

Whatever the RPI and SOS was for either conference, UConn's RPI was good enough for a 4 or 5 seed, and Louisville's was better than the 5th seed they got. SOS was 20-25 for UConn. So UConn was badly seeded, while Villanova was overseeded.
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
 
whaler11 said:
It's a better league than the AAC. It's not even close.

But I'm glad you can at least admit it's a good league.
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It certainly wasn't last year.

And you wrote this same post last year.

If you repeat it every year, then yeah eventually you'll be correct.
 
upstater said:
It certainly wasn't last year.

And you wrote this same post last year.

If you repeat it every year, then yeah eventually you'll be correct.
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It is a better league. It was a better league last year and it's not even in the same universe this year. I'm not talking about a handful of games in a single tournament. It's made up mostly of schools that have actual programs. The AAC is made up mostly of schools that field teams.

I know the only ratings that matter are the Upstater ratings but if you were to consult ratings done by people that know how to actually quantify things you would understand just how dumb this constant converation is.
 
FriarJ said:
Nope, both he and Jalen Lindsey our top 3 point shooter have been ruled out against Yale and Kentucky with severe ankle sprains. Kid can't stay healthy.
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Saw he was gimpy against Notre Dame but was hoping it was nothing, don't see how you keep it close against Kentucky without Dunn and Lindsey. Hopefully it's just a couple of games.
 
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whaler11 said:
It is a better league. It was a better league last year and it's not even in the same universe this year. I'm not talking about a handful of games in a single tournament. It's made up mostly of schools that have actual programs. The AAC is made up mostly of schools that field teams.

I know the only ratings that matter are the Upstater ratings but if you were to consult ratings done by people that know how to actually quantify things you would understand just how dumb this constant converation is.
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A better league last year, ROFL.

BE: 4 teams in the NCAA. All gone by the second round. 2-4 record.
AAC: 4 teams, 9-3 record

Even the 2 NIT teams did squat. St. John's lost to Robert Morris. Some tough conference there. Their champ got steamrolled in the 2nd round of the NIT.
 
upstater said:
A better league last year, ROFL.

BE: 4 teams in the NCAA. All gone by the second round. 2-4 record.
AAC: 4 teams, 9-3 record

Even the 2 NIT teams did squat. St. John's lost to Robert Morris. Some tough conference there. Their champ got steamrolled in the 2nd round of the NIT.
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Exactly you are going on the outcome of a handful of tournament games and ignoring the entire season.

Also including Louisville in the AAC numbers is pretty hilarious. Maybe that is why you are laughing so hard.
 
whaler11 said:
Exactly you are going on the outcome of a handful of tournament games and ignoring the entire season.

Also including Louisville in the AAC numbers is pretty hilarious. Maybe that is why you are laughing so hard.
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Louisville was in the AAC last year. Holy cow. That's the whole entire point here. Louisville was underseeded BECAUSE they were in the AAC, as was UConn.

The BE was overseeded.

A handful of tournament games? The way to measure teams across conferences is the tournament. That's the whole entire point.

Now I see why you're having so much trouble.
 
upstater said:
Louisville was in the AAC last year. Holy cow. That's the whole entire point here. Louisville was underseeded BECAUSE they were in the AAC, as was UConn.

The BE was overseeded.

A handful of tournament games? The way to measure teams across conferences is the tournament. That's the whole entire point.

Now I see why you're having so much trouble.
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Just trying to see your logic here, if UConn is the only AAC team to make it this year and wins the NC again while the BE has a better season top to bottom in the league, get's 5-6 teams in but none advance to the sweet 16 the AAC is a better league?
 
FriarJ said:
Just trying to see your logic here, if UConn is the only AAC team to make it this year and wins the NC again while the BE has a better season top to bottom in the league, get's 5-6 teams in but none advance to the sweet 16 the AAC is a better league?
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It was multiple teams. Not just one. And multiple BE teams flopped.

The larger point is the seeding. If you're looking at ratings like whaler is, the AAC was underseeded relative to ratings, and even with the underseeding (which puts you up against tougher competition) it performed well. The BE on the other hand wss overseeded relative to their ratings, and they flopped in the tournament.
 
FriarJ said:
Just trying to see your logic here, if UConn is the only AAC team to make it this year and wins the NC again while the BE has a better season top to bottom in the league, get's 5-6 teams in but none advance to the sweet 16 the AAC is a better league?
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You'll never see his logic because it is twisted and backwards. You have to weigh only the criteria he chooses - and you have to ignore every single computer ranking and poll - he can rank 350 teams in his head better than people like Ken Pomeroy can.
 
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By Upstaters logic if you put UConn and Louisville in the SWAC last year it's the best conference in the country because they would be 9-1 in the tournament and wouldn't have any NIT losses.

Because when you are comparing conferences you only compare the best teams and ignore everyone else.
 
whaler11 said:
You'll never see his logic because it is twisted and backwards. You have to weigh only the criteria he chooses - and you have to ignore every single computer ranking and poll - he can rank 350 teams in his head better than people like Ken Pomeroy can.
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Yes, Ignore my criteria: winning tournament games you should win. Ignoring winning in the tournament. Just focus on the other stuff.
 
upstater said:
Yes, Ignore my criteria: winning tournament games you should win. Ignoring winning in the tournament. Just focus on the other stuff.
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Your criteria is actually:
Pick whatever handful of teams you deem representative. Then ignore >50% of teams in league.

Your entire argument hinges on one Brimah shot. If he misses that shot that changes your entire argument by which you've arrived at your conclusion. That makes a ton of sense.
 
whaler11 said:
Your criteria is actually:
Pick whatever handful of teams you deem representative. Then ignore >50% of teams in league.

Your entire argument hinges on one Brimah shot. If he misses that shot that changes your entire argument by which you've arrived at your conclusion. That makes a ton of sense.
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I know I'm making a mistake intruding on a one-on-one sh!tfight but isn't this really a bit of both? Defining the strength of a league isn't just the top teams but also isn't just the regular season - it's a mix of everything that league does over the course of a season and post-season, in out of conference, in post-season tourneys, etc. Last year, everyone knew that the AAC was top heavy and seriously bottom weak. Post-season performance doesn't improve how crappy the bottom was but the top was still pretty good and that should count for something.
 
For once, this guy might admit he was wrong about the BE being as good as the ratings last year. The teams went down like a sack of potatoes when faced with decent competition.
 
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FriarJ said:
Just trying to see your logic here, if UConn is the only AAC team to make it this year and wins the NC again while the BE has a better season top to bottom in the league, get's 5-6 teams in but none advance to the sweet 16 the AAC is a better league?
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If the AAC has the national champion and the Big East doesn't have a single team in the Sweet Sixteen, then odds are the AAC will have been the better league.

For now, the Big East looks distinctly better.
 
People realize there are 35-40 games per season, right? Maybe we don't need to make sweeping statements 4-5 games in.
 
If St. Johns or Depaul beats someone good in November, or even just don't lose to any bad teams, then we will know something is going on. Until then, I think we are just seeing the results of the better Big East teams playing more games early along with 1 or 2 aberrations, like Butler over UNC.

The Big East is a solid basketball conference on par with the P5 for now.
 
upstater said:
It was multiple teams. Not just one. And multiple BE teams flopped.

The larger point is the seeding. If you're looking at ratings like whaler is, the AAC was underseeded relative to ratings, and even with the underseeding (which puts you up against tougher competition) it performed well. The BE on the other hand wss overseeded relative to their ratings, and they flopped in the tournament.
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you didn't answer my question?
 
pj said:
If the AAC has the national champion and the Big East doesn't have a single team in the Sweet Sixteen, then odds are the AAC will have been the better league.

For now, the Big East looks distinctly better.
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So if Kentucky wins the tournament than odds are the SEC is the best league?

I can only assume that Upstater is being willfully obtuse at this point because his argument is so painfully bad that even he can't believe it.

Yes you can decide which conference is better based on a 10 game sample size played by 1/3 of the teams in tbe league. Seriously that's his argument.
 
pj said:
If the AAC has the national champion and the Big East doesn't have a single team in the Sweet Sixteen, then odds are the AAC will have been the better league.

For now, the Big East looks distinctly better.
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So the Horizon league came just short of being the best conference 2 years in a row. Silly stuff
 
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